Seriously tempted

[LeeT5]

P3 5speed auto box,is it more reliable than 4speed one?Dont like the idea of awd as apparantly they suffer wiv diff or other probs

Mate there no different. One is not stronger than the other. I ran 310bhp through my laser for 2 yeras and she never missed a beat. Gear changes were smooth as a nut.
Just because you heard a horror story from some one on the forum or else where doesn't mean you have to tarnish them all with the same brush.
Some people just don't know how to look after these cars and consequently they rag'em!
There will always be dogs out there no matter what car you buy.

[LeeT5]

P3 5speed auto box,is it more reliable than 4speed one?Dont like the idea of awd as apparantly they suffer wiv diff or other probs

PM'd

[T5frankie]

Well don't say i don't tell you so!!

I just ran his plate through a check and it comes up as Blue V70R AWD AUTO, 2319cc, 240bhp!! Registered 12/05/1999.
NOT 265bhp that he claims.

So why don't you ring him and tell him cos i'm off to watch a film!

i have told him and he went off on one lol

[Kingsford G]

i have told him and he went off on one lol

There some clowns out there.

[LiamT4]

It would be easy to tell, if anyone went and viewed it anyway, only the 2.4 has the 5spd auto.

Unfortunatly the only pic in the front is from the wrong angle to be able see.

[AcidicDavey]

The phase 3s have twin exhausts, that one has one and is therefore a phase 2 but has the Blue engine cover of a phase 3, very weird. Pretty sure the Phase 2 had black engine covers but not sure. Nice car but give me a manual pleeeaase!!!

[LeeT5]

The phase 3s have twin exhausts, that one has one and is therefore a phase 2 but has the Blue engine cover of a phase 3, very weird. Pretty sure the Phase 2 had black engine covers but not sure. Nice car but give me a manual pleeeaase!!!

Phase 2 cars do have blue engine covers. It's only the P1 cars that had black ones.
Basically that car is a Phase 2, NOT a phase 3.

It will have a 4 spd auto.

[AcidicDavey]

Phase 2 cars do have blue engine covers. It's only the P1 cars that had black ones.
Basically that car is a Phase 2, NOT a phase 3.

It will have a 4 spd auto.

Cheers for, that I wasn't sure about the cover.

[LeeT5]

I just sent him this msg:

Hi.
Lovely car, thou i will point out a mistake in your ad for you that you should amend.
Your car is, infact, a Phase 2 car yet it does NOT have 265bhp that you claim. I know this because your car only has one exhaust and not two!
I will also tell you that your car IS a 240bhp model with the 18T turbo. For your information, Volvo did not make a 265bhp V70R AWD with an 18T. The 265bhp model has two exhaust outlets (one either side of the rear bumper) and they have a 19T turbo. Your car is also a 4 spd adaptive learning auto.
I trust you will amend your ad as you can see, it is very confusing to prospective buyers.

Your car details should read: 1999 Volvo V70R AWD, Laser Blue, 240bhp auto.

Hope that helps.


Lets all watch to see his reaction. I will keep you posted as to what he says. I would urge anyone here not to but this car. Afterall, what else is he fabricating??

For the record, he claims Volvo fitted a 16T to older V70R AWD's....They didn't!

[AcidicDavey]

Lol, I sent him a similar message about 30mins ago.
Poor §§§§§§, loads of emails yet no buyers lol

[LiamT4]

Why did they do them with an 18t yet still have the same power as the 16t? Did they have more torque?

[AcidicDavey]

Why did they do them with an 18t yet still have the same power as the 16t? Did they have more torque?

The autos had the 16T and 10bhp less

[AcidicDavey]

I got a response:

Please re check your info. I have had this conversation with several people who think they know all about volvos. Mine is as described. Checked with Volvo uk

I basically told him that the Phase 2s have 250 not 265 and his is the 250/240 as it has a single outlet exhaust!

[LiamT4]

The autos had the 16T and 10bhp less

According to leet5 the awd autos with the 18t have 240bhp, which is the same as the fwd autos with the 16t.

[AcidicDavey]

According to leet5 the awd autos with the 18t have 240bhp, which is the same as the fwd autos with the 16t.

I cant' imagine the AWD has a the better turbo due to it's even weaker drivetrain! I think they both have the 16t and manual has 18t. This is phase one btw, I think all phase 2s have 18t, I'm 99% sure of this...

[Redbrick]

The phase 3 with 19T and 265 had to be introduced as the whole package had got too lardy for its own good. :

[shaun850]

I've skipped through the thread so it may have been said already.. The laser blue car is the same guy who owns the black one..

Black one is nice, I supplied the parts he's just had fitted although didn't chat to the guy

[LeeT5]

I cant' imagine the AWD has a the better turbo due to it's even weaker drivetrain! I think they both have the 16t and manual has 18t. This is phase one btw, I think all phase 2s have 18t, I'm 99% sure of this...

OK, lets mop this one up....

ALL phase 2 V70R AWDs had a 18T whether they were auto/manual. The auto ones were just mapped different to ease torque on the auto box.

ALL phase 3 V70R AWDs had a 19T. Auto and some very rare manuals.

Look at your engine code on the top/side of your timing belt cover. Then look at this chart, it will tell you what turbo you have:

http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43045

[LeeT5]

I also sent him this.........

You really should get your facts right. I have owned Volvos for 21 years and i owned a Phase 2 V70R AWD in laser blue for 4yrs and currently own a 2004 V70R. It was on a S/1999 and it was the same as the car your listing. I would go back to Volvo uk and correct them because i know for a fact that the phase 3 had 265bhp and a bigger turbo with twin exhaust outlets.

Note: Your car has the B5234T8 (2319cc) engine and this has an 18T with 240bhp on the auto and 250bhp manual. The 265bhp Phase 3 cars that were only produced in 2000 were a bigger engine (2435cc) and bigger 19T turbo. They were also fitted with a 5 spd auto box. Being as your selling a V70R AWD with a 4 spd auto, single exhaust outlet and on an S/1999.....well, you work it out!
Heres a list of Turbo applications to help you on your way. I'll point you in the right direction....your car is the 5th and 6th from the bottom. Note 18T and engine code!!
Ps. You should change your attitude because i was only trying to help you.

Engine*Turbo type*Wastegate*ECU revision*Volvo part no.

5 cylinder

B5254T2 TD04L-14T ---/-- Bosch ME7x 8692518
B5244T3 TD04HL-13G ---/-- Bosch ME7x --------
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 5003910
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 8601070
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.4 8601238
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 218/60 Bosch ME7 9471655
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 275/60 Bosch ME7 8601691
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 275/60 Bosch M4.3 8601691
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 1275663
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 8601239
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 8601226
B5234T4 TD04HL-18T 275/60 Bosch M4.4 9185628
B5234T4 TD04HL-18T 275/60 Bosch M4.4 8601456
B5234T5 TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 9146785
B5234T8 TD04HL-18T 300/70 Bosch ME7 9454563<<< (2319cc 18T)
B5234T8 TD04HL-18T 300/70 Bosch ME7 8601461<<< (2319cc 18T)
B5244RT TD04HL-19T 300/70 Bosch ME7 9471657
B5244RT TD04HL-19T 300/70 Bosch ME7 8601693
B5254T TD04HL-13G 150/30 Bosch M4.4 8601227
B5254T4 KKK-K24 --- Bosch ME7.

His reply was this.....

I don't need help and comments from people that think they know it all Thankyou. If you are not interested in buying the car, why bother looking?


So i sent him this......

I don't know it all, i just know more than you!
C..O..C..K..!!

[Turbodave]

Reading this with interest as I'm very tempted by the black car... though there's still part of me thinks it's a bit cheap given the condition/history etc. Looking at the car and driving it would be the next logical step but as per bloody usual it's almost 350 miles away which in itself is a bit of a ballache.

Given he's a trader, I suggested that I'd drive down and part ex mine (for next to nothing) and if the black one is a go-er, bring it home. That way it's a solo trip for me with fuel only one way. Plus, if it turns out to be less than ideal, I simply drive home in mine again and accept that I've wasted £150 in fuel... but better that than flying and ending up stranded in Gloucester, or indeed making a mate drive 700 miles with me!

Not given up hope yet... just logistically not ideal and there's still something niggling at the back of my head. Can't put my finger on it though.

Anybody know the black car, confirm its history etc?

Cheers