I don't NEED any more.....but just in case !

Post 575229 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-18 19:05:43

Right, I'm looking for some guidance on what I could [COLOR="#FF0000"]possibly[/COLOR] do (in the future) to the V70 to up the power a tad, she put out 257bhp and 274ft/lb on Saturday and I was just wondering what I'd need to do to say up those figures to around the 300bhp and 320ft/lb mark. I am somewhat lacking in mechanical knowledge so I'm putting this out there to those of you who know what you are talking about and have done it yourself. Please try and explain any recommendations you make along with a rough costing if you can. I currently have a map from 'Racetune' a division of PWCars, when I e-mailed them today I received this..... I assume 257bhp is at the rollers, not the flywheel. From memory you car is one of the fastest V70 classics I’ve driven and I wouldn’t suggest it will get much faster upping the map as there isn’t much difference between power and eco and fully blown power maps. Throttle would be a little bit more responsive. If you can send me the dyno sheet I can ask the opinion of some of our Volvo tuning partners taking into account the mods on the car. Does this sound about right ? Am I looking to go down the uprated fmic and cat back exhaust route or should I consider a different turbo, if so would the map I have work with it ? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just hoping for some informative educated posts to help make my mind up :redface: Here's what I'm starting with.....

Post 575232 by T5frankie on 2013-02-18 19:10:45

putting that 18t on would be a good upgrade mate, bolt straight on, get a better map and 280bhp

Post 575233 by volvokid on 2013-02-18 19:14:51

Graham where is your rip from since frankie won't spill?

Post 575234 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-18 19:17:03

[QUOTE=volvokid;575233]Graham where is your rip from since frankie won't spill?[/QUOTE] http://www.do88.se/

Post 575238 by volvokid on 2013-02-18 19:20:56

I do like it a lot, maybe one for the future, cars are on hold this year lol

Post 575239 by danny-R on 2013-02-18 19:21:25

+1 for the 18t. mine made 287bhp and went very well

Post 575240 by claymore on 2013-02-18 19:21:48

18 or 19t turbo and a 3" exhaust, then a remap

Post 575242 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-18 19:23:42

[QUOTE=claymore;575240]18 or 19t turbo and a 3" exhaust, then a remap[/QUOTE] Ok, so that's 2 for the bigger turbo, but what kind of remap would a bigger turbo need ?

Post 575246 by T5frankie on 2013-02-18 19:26:05

wobbly got 320bhp from a 19t and me7 engine, and a map

Post 575259 by Kingsford G on 2013-02-18 19:36:12

R u entering a 0-30mph competition Graham lol:hidesbehi or is the 300bhp for Ann-Marie?

Post 575291 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-18 19:52:44

[QUOTE=Kingsford G;575259]R u entering a 0-30mph competition Graham lol:hidesbehi or is the 300bhp for Ann-Marie?[/QUOTE] Your getting as bad as stribo mate :smile:

Post 575333 by t5 pete on 2013-02-18 21:03:45

18 or 19t will see you fine but be carefull regarding what map you get as these will bend rods with a aggressive map

Post 575346 by Wobbly Dave on 2013-02-18 21:33:16

[QUOTE=t5frankie;575246]wobbly got 320bhp from a 19t and me7 engine, and a map[/QUOTE] 4th custom map in 7 years on my 19T

Post 575347 by t5 pete on 2013-02-18 21:34:48

[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;575346]4th custom map in 7 years on my 19T[/QUOTE] Well now youve done the leg work any one with a me7 can copy and paste your file lol Quick copy right it

Post 575348 by Kingsford G on 2013-02-18 21:39:00

[QUOTE=V70 Graham;575291]Your getting as bad as stribo mate :smile:[/QUOTE] We both like ginger colour lol thats why.

Post 575370 by M-R-P on 2013-02-18 22:19:26

Bigger I/C, race cat, 3" downpipe and a 2 1/2" system then get a custom map to suit mate. If you're gonna spend the money, get a map made to your preferences. i.e. limited to 39mph ;) You will have to think about more expensive tyres, better shocks and better brakes. more regular/expensive oil changes, more petrol (a lot more) CV joints wearing faster, blah blah... What do you want from the car mate? super sleeper?

Post 575377 by Wobbly Dave on 2013-02-18 22:28:56

[QUOTE=t5 pete;575347]Well now youve done the leg work any one with a me7 can copy and paste your file lol Quick copy right it[/QUOTE] If only ME7 were that simple. ECU & the CEM are intrinsicly linked - so you cannot plug & play my 19T map. You'd have to flash it onto the ECU that belonged to that car.

Post 575378 by t5 pete on 2013-02-18 22:31:54

[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;575377]If only ME7 were that simple. ECU & the CEM are intrinsicly linked - so you cannot plug & play my 19T map. You'd have to flash it onto the ECU that belonged to that car.[/QUOTE] me not like me7 lol

Post 575387 by LiamT4 on 2013-02-18 22:43:01

I think a NOS system would suit you perfectly mate ;-)

Post 575457 by iancho on 2013-02-19 05:17:26

Graham STOP! it's enough... You have one of the best examples in the country if not THE best why change it. We were all surprised at the RR day at your power output it's like your car has been stuck in a time warp and is almost as perfect as when it rolled off the production line... That is a HUGE statement in itself and i think we all secretly admire your car even more after the RR... Be proud VERY proud and leave your car in peace instead of modding her and possibly Rip..... Your car is " Powerful " by being just the way it is and that carries more weight than any Modding could if you know what i mean... I LOVE your car for its sheer simplicity Graham and as a friend i wouldn't change a thing, it is perfect! :B_thumb:

Post 575467 by stribo on 2013-02-19 08:01:19

What would be the point? You don't track it, you don't use it on the strip, and you don't drive fast on the road. It would be like having a 12" dick, and being celibate.

Post 575473 by ExternalError on 2013-02-19 08:57:57

I'd leave the power as it is and focus on handling and the brake system, you have a really nice example of a car thats fast enough for your needs, I'd focus more on enhancing it rather than going for straight power.

Post 575478 by T5frankie on 2013-02-19 09:32:19

It's all about the bragging rights, he felt really good for 10 seconds when he thought he had the most powerful Volvo. On Saturday, he wants that feeling again LOL

Post 575505 by stribo on 2013-02-19 11:32:11

[QUOTE=t5frankie;575478]It's all about the bragging rights, he felt really good for 10 seconds when he thought he had the most powerful Volvo. On Saturday, he wants that feeling again LOL[/QUOTE] If the 4wd rolling road had been working, neither of you would have had bragging rights. ;)

Post 575511 by T5frankie on 2013-02-19 11:52:51

[QUOTE=stribo;575505]If the 4wd rolling road had been working, neither of you would have had bragging rights. ;)[/QUOTE] You sure? I would have brought the cossie

Post 575517 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-19 12:11:42

[QUOTE=stribo;575505]If the 4wd rolling road had been working, neither of you would have had bragging rights. ;)[/QUOTE] It would have been VERY close, your C70 is 10% down on factory figure, and it had a bleed valve, meaning the S60R would be 270bhp if your lucky !

Post 575520 by stribo on 2013-02-19 12:20:57

[QUOTE=V70 Graham;575517]It would have been VERY close, your C70 is 10% down on factory figure, and it had a bleed valve, meaning the S60R would be 270bhp if your lucky ![/QUOTE] And what pie in the sky science did you use to work that out? The C70 is 6 years older than the R with more miles on the clock. If you read what I posted I didn't say our R would have been most powerful, as there were other 4WD cars lined up for the day as well.

Post 575521 by stribo on 2013-02-19 12:21:27

[QUOTE=t5frankie;575511]You sure? I would have brought the cossie[/QUOTE] Yes, if Santa had brought his R. ;)

Post 575529 by T5frankie on 2013-02-19 12:50:29

Chris was coming too

Post 575531 by stribo on 2013-02-19 12:53:45

[QUOTE=t5frankie;575529]Chris was coming too[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, forgot he was coming, would have loved to see his running.

Post 575535 by T5frankie on 2013-02-19 12:55:10

Hey ho would of done well for only a 2 litre

Post 575537 by stribo on 2013-02-19 13:04:15

[QUOTE=t5frankie;575535]Hey ho would of done well for only a 2 litre[/QUOTE] Yeah would have been interesting to see exactly what it has got, and to hear it obviously. ;)

Post 575543 by smithy on 2013-02-19 13:19:54

[QUOTE=stribo;575467]What would be the point? You don't track it, you don't use it on the strip, and you don't drive fast on the road. It would be like having a 12" dick, and being celibate.[/QUOTE] Yes but at least you know you have it lol

Post 575548 by Santa on 2013-02-19 13:31:14

[QUOTE=stribo;575521]Yes, if Santa had brought his R. ;)[/QUOTE] Do we know if that dyno used linked rollers? If not I doubt the s60r would have produced reliable results. (Being haldex and all)

Post 575611 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-19 18:22:09

[QUOTE=Santa;575548]Do we know if that dyno used linked rollers? If not I doubt the s60r would have produced reliable results. (Being haldex and all)[/QUOTE] I knew there was something I needed to find out, will try and remember tomorrow.

Post 575613 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-19 18:28:49

Thank you guy's for your posts, tbh it was only something I was wondering about and having read your comments will probably leave it as it is, maybe as Stewart (External Error) says enhance rather than go for outright power, another good point brought up by M-R-P was that other things would start to wear faster ie tyres and CV joints, this car is a 'keeper' for me and with it's low mileage should last for quite a while yet, I would be silly to prematurely age the car, plus Anne would kill me lol.

Post 575618 by Nealevo on 2013-02-19 18:33:57

Graham, instead of outright 'POWER' why not upgrade the important bits, brakes suspension etc, maybe take a track driving course, as you're a professional driver and see all manor of bad habits on a daily basis a little tuition goes a long way, the amount of people I teach who are surprised just how much quicker they are after an afternoon of fun. Yes POWER is fun and addictive but knowing how to use it is far more rewarding

Post 575620 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-19 18:38:07

[QUOTE=Nealevo;575618]Graham, instead of outright 'POWER' why not upgrade the important bits, brakes suspension etc, maybe take a track driving course, as you're a professional driver and see all manor of bad habits on a daily basis a little tuition goes a long way, the amount of people I teach who are surprised just how much quicker they are after an afternoon of fun. Yes POWER is fun and addictive but knowing how to use it is far more rewarding[/QUOTE] Some good points Neal, all I have are the standard (rubbish) brakes, and lowering springs, I would have had to look at these anyway, track driving course.....there's an idea :B_thumb:

Post 575626 by M-R-P on 2013-02-19 18:48:13

[QUOTE=V70 Graham;575620]Some good points Neal, all I have are the standard (rubbish) brakes, and lowering springs, I would have had to look at these anyway, track driving course.....there's an idea :B_thumb:[/QUOTE] Not forgetting braided brake lines, polybushed wishbones and a strut brace ;) You'll be due new disks on the front next year, maybe go for a 320mm big brake kit then? Good quality shocks (I wouldn't recommend coilovers for your purposes) wheel spacers, better brake fluid, maybe a camber kit, there's lots of little things you can sneak under the radar ;)

Post 575628 by T5frankie on 2013-02-19 18:51:59

at the very least i would bolt on an 18t, you wouldnt have to change anything else and could give you 280-290bhp

Post 575639 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-19 19:07:07

[QUOTE=t5frankie;575628]at the very least i would bolt on an 18t, you wouldnt have to change anything else and could give you 280-290bhp[/QUOTE] You've seen my car Frankie, nothing goes on/in it without it being 100% what's the chances of picking up a mint 18T, at the least it would have to be refurbed big pennies I'd guess.

Post 575641 by T5frankie on 2013-02-19 19:08:38

Post 575647 by Nealevo on 2013-02-19 19:20:49

Just having mine done at turbo centre £280 all in

Post 575649 by T5frankie on 2013-02-19 19:23:03

turbo dynamics quoted me £195 +vat for a full rebuild

Post 575652 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-19 19:28:25

.....then there's a remap, I take it my current one would be no good for an 18T

Post 575653 by T5frankie on 2013-02-19 19:30:11

[QUOTE=V70 Graham;575652].....then there's a remap, I take it my current one would be no good for an 18T[/QUOTE] it would be fine mate

Post 575666 by Jamest5r on 2013-02-19 20:11:47

[QUOTE=Nealevo;575647]Just having mine done at turbo centre £280 all in[/QUOTE] Same place i got mine??

Post 575670 by Jamest5r on 2013-02-19 20:17:10

[QUOTE=V70 Graham;575639]You've seen my car Frankie, nothing goes on/in it without it being 100% what's the chances of picking up a mint 18T, at the least it would have to be refurbed big pennies I'd guess.[/QUOTE] Been reading this tread with interest, Graham you made the mistake of smoking the crack pipe of power by going to the RR, you are now addicted, only known cure is to spend all your money on mods :) Seriously though do you really need the extra power which you will only see at the top end and from peoples comments you dont go there lol, the 16t is a great turbo and pulls well low down where you need it day to day :) Save your pennies and come to more meets/ 1/4 miles with the money saved and just enjoy the motor :)

Post 575721 by Kingsford G on 2013-02-19 21:16:08

[QUOTE=Jamest5r;575670]Been reading this tread with interest, Graham you made the mistake of smoking the crack pipe of power by going to the RR, you are now addicted, only known cure is to spend all your money on mods :) Seriously though do you really need the extra power which you will only see at the top end and from peoples comments you dont go there lol, the 16t is a great turbo and pulls well low down where you need it day to day :) Save your pennies and come to more meets/ 1/4 miles with the money saved and just enjoy the motor :)[/QUOTE] As he said

Post 575723 by T5frankie on 2013-02-19 21:20:01

yeah be good to see you at our midland meets at avon raceway, you would love it

Post 575740 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-19 21:38:04

[QUOTE=t5frankie;575723]yeah be good to see you at our midland meets at avon raceway, you would love it[/QUOTE] Trying to organise a shift swap so I can come up on the 24th Mar, I would imagine as a spectator this time. I'll also have to try and get in as many cars as I can this year to give me an idea what can be achieved.

Post 575748 by LiamT4 on 2013-02-19 21:46:54

[QUOTE=V70 Graham;575740]Trying to organise a shift swap so I can come up on the 24th Mar, I would imagine as a spectator this time. I'll also have to try and get in as many cars as I can this year to give me an idea what can be achieved.[/QUOTE] Your welcome to have a go in my car sometime, just as a comparison between a small turbo engine and a big n/a engine.

Post 575773 by M-R-P on 2013-02-19 22:24:00

...And a gearbox and a bag of rubber bands...

Post 575776 by Wobbly Dave on 2013-02-19 22:33:44

[QUOTE=V70 Graham;575740]Trying to organise a shift swap so I can come up on the 24th Mar, I would imagine as a spectator this time. I'll also have to try and get in as many cars as I can this year to give me an idea what can be achieved.[/QUOTE] I'd happily run you out in Betsy when she's finished. Show you what daft really is.

Post 576071 by V70 Graham on 2013-02-20 19:05:35

[QUOTE=Santa;575548]Do we know if that dyno used linked rollers? If not I doubt the s60r would have produced reliable results. (Being haldex and all)[/QUOTE] Spoke to Mike and Keith at Power Engineering today, apparently they have never had a problem with V70R/S60R but the dyno is NOT linked :frown:

Post 576077 by T5frankie on 2013-02-20 19:10:38

[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;575776]I'd happily run you out in Betsy when she's finished. Show you what daft really is.[/QUOTE] me too

Post 576112 by Jamest5r on 2013-02-20 19:46:15

[QUOTE=Wobbly Dave;575776]I'd happily run you out in Betsy when she's finished. [COLOR="#FF0000"]Show you what daft really is[/COLOR].[/QUOTE] Is that you or the car?

Post 576116 by Santa on 2013-02-20 19:49:45

[QUOTE=V70 Graham;576071]Spoke to Mike and Keith at Power Engineering today, apparently they have never had a problem with V70R/S60R but the dyno is NOT linked :frown:[/QUOTE] It will run and wont break anything. S60Rs are weird and will end up power juggling between the front and back therefore the results will likely under read