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Post 476852 by zoidberg on 2012-03-23 10:09:43
Yep, just heard the REAL reason drink wasnt hammered in the budget!
They are planning on putting a minimum price of 40p a unit on alcohol.
Now when you reckon that the witch §§§§ that takes 5000 gallons before you even feel wobbly is usually 2.5 units, then your pack of 4 would be four quid. Not bad you say, but if you drink something a bit stronger(or why bother drinking if not ), then your can of Stella at4 units comes in at 1.60 a can or 6.40 for 4 !!! God knows how much a bottle of Vodka will cost.
So all us social drinkers are getting hammered again and staying in for a drink is rapidly getting to the point of not being able to.
WHAT A NANNY STATE WE NOW HAVE.:bricks:
Not just this Gov. to blame, all are the same, kicked in the teeth by Conservatives or punched on the nose by Labour, nice choice ehh !
Anyone for homebrew !!! :smile:
ps, They are legislating as well to stop the multi buy discounts, no more buy 3 for price of two packs either !:finger:
Post 476859 by zip929 on 2012-03-23 10:34:17
I think the issue is that the youngsters tend to get drunk at home before they even go out to the pub.
When I was younger we would meet in the pub, but you did not drink half a bottle of vodka before leaving home to go to the pub!
Being drunk when you arrive at the pub now seems the norm.
Post 476885 by Niles on 2012-03-23 13:39:55
I had a letter from my MP this morning (came in a headed envelope with The House of Commons on it, wondered what I'd done).
They blame high fuel prices on nothing more than the price of a barrel of oil. No mention of the massive percentage of a litre of fuel being tax.
And, (this made me laugh) the MP stated that he knows what buying fuel is like as he drives from Kent to London to get from home to 'work' (the houses of parliament)...What (bleedin' typical politician) he forgot to mention that yes, he puts fuel in his car but he gets it back in expenses.
WE DON'T!!!!!!!!
Post 476887 by jayeastanglia on 2012-03-23 13:47:58
all it will now do is more people will do booze runs like they used to do a few years ago to france hypermarkets and brings the booze back A bit like the french lorry drivers do here at the moment
Post 476888 by jayeastanglia on 2012-03-23 13:51:39
[quote=Niles;476885]I had a letter from my MP this morning (came in a headed envelope with The House of Commons on it, wondered what I'd done).
They blame high fuel prices on nothing more than the price of a barrel of oil. No mention of the massive percentage of a litre of fuel being tax.
And, (this made me laugh) the MP stated that he knows what buying fuel is like as he drives from Kent to London to get from home to 'work' (the houses of parliament)...What (bleedin' typical politician) he forgot to mention that yes, he puts fuel in his car but he gets it back in expenses.
WE DON'T!!!!!!!![/quote]
me to got a letter the other day..
Post 476902 by 960kg on 2012-03-23 14:25:15
[quote=jayeastanglia;476887]all it will now do is more people will do booze runs like they used to do a few years ago to france hypermarkets and brings the booze back A bit like the french lorry drivers do here at the moment[/quote]
I heard what you just said!
I live on the South Coast 4miles from the Channel Tunnel, and 10 from Dover, i go over to Boulogne every month just for the day to Supermarkets as i like French food etc. etc.
But now it is expensive even for wine, still a tad cheaper than here but it is better quality and does taste the part.
Here the wine is crap and expensive
So if you live up the country a Booze Cruise will not pay at all especially with the price of petrol
I think i break even because i am near to the Ferries but it is a long day and for what, now? France is financially in a bigger mess than us!
Post 476912 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-23 15:56:52
Alcohol is too cheap & I welcome the changes. I do worry that this will encourage the black market in dodgy booze. Alcohol-related illnesses are clogging up hospitals with long term cyrotic livers. Someone has to pay for it.
I think a lot of this has to do with cheap supermarket deals. No-one can tell me that selling large bottles of cheap cider is a good thing?
And at what point does going for a pint turn into going to just get pi$$ed?
And what about the Police having to deal with paralytic party-goers every weekend in the big cities. Does the increase in duty mean people will think twice - I hope so. If a bit of nannying improves things then I will back Mr. Osbourne.
Just because it is unpopular does not make it wrong.
Post 476938 by M-R-P on 2012-03-23 18:16:17
[quote=jayeastanglia;476888]me to got a letter the other day..
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Thats exactly tue same letter i got but from a different MP!!!
Post 476939 by craigoodwood on 2012-03-23 18:17:38
[quote=Wobbly Dave;476912]Alcohol is too cheap & I welcome the changes. I do worry that this will encourage the black market in dodgy booze. Alcohol-related illnesses are clogging up hospitals with long term cyrotic livers. Someone has to pay for it.
I think a lot of this has to do with cheap supermarket deals. No-one can tell me that selling large bottles of cheap cider is a good thing?
And at what point does going for a pint turn into going to just get pi$$ed?
And what about the Police having to deal with paralytic party-goers every weekend in the big cities. Does the increase in duty mean people will think twice - I hope so. If a bit of nannying improves things then I will back Mr. Osbourne.
Just because it is unpopular does not make it wrong.[/quote]
agreed,
alcohol and ciggy's are a luxury,
fuel is a necessity....
Post 476948 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-23 18:35:17
Funny the letter I got from my MP stated it was the governments fault in not reducing VAT enough. I think 20% is a painful necessity to reduce our deficit.
He seemed to think the Coalition was messing things up. I don't believe it so. I don't actually think it is going that badly.
I know from my own experience how difficult it is to balance income against borrowing & paying it back.
I am much encouraged by mary's knicker making efforts on C4. As a proud Lancastrian - I know that we use to be the linen basket of the world. I thnk we can again be skillful and make stuff that the global market will want.
I think the UK can be as successful in the global market as Germany. Made in Britain is a good thing & I was much encouraged by the rising in cost of Chinese imports.
I know from my own experience of working abroad - the UK is still a great place for brain power & ideas. Malaysian & India workers are great for loyalty & hard work - but the really struggle without a script or Work Instruction, particularly in IT.
I think with the upcoming Olympics will see the UK flag flying high. I am much boyed up by the future - perhaps with a baby on the way it is natural to feel optimistic?
Anyway I would hate to see it spoiled by our inability to drink responsibly. Probably unwise to discuss politics or religion on a car forum but there you go...
Post 476950 by jayeastanglia on 2012-03-23 18:38:47
martinpeachy and dave can you post up your letters blanking your home address and full name be good for others to actually se what mp's actually think and say about there local residents.our local mp who came round the other day(I was tired after having done a night shift didnt get his name)when i questioned him about rising fuel costs and car tax made a quick exit to next door who said simlar things(handy having a few car nuts round here)
Post 476956 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-23 18:52:59
Everyone knows my full name - its Wobbly Dave?
I would scan & post the letter but I recycled it.
Post 476968 by bubba_1986 on 2012-03-23 19:04:52
[quote=Wobbly Dave;476912]Alcohol is too cheap & I welcome the changes. I do worry that this will encourage the black market in dodgy booze. Alcohol-related illnesses are clogging up hospitals with long term cyrotic livers. Someone has to pay for it.
I think a lot of this has to do with cheap supermarket deals. No-one can tell me that selling large bottles of cheap cider is a good thing?
And at what point does going for a pint turn into going to just get pi$$ed?
And what about the Police having to deal with paralytic party-goers every weekend in the big cities. Does the increase in duty mean people will think twice - I hope so. If a bit of nannying improves things then I will back Mr. Osbourne.
Just because it is unpopular does not make it wrong.[/quote]
Agree that booze is too cheap. Here in Scotland the SNP have thankfully last October pasted law so outlets can't sell buy one get one free etc.
The min price malarkey has been going on for a while and is currently being passed through parliament.
In the long run it will benefit the NHS and save life's.
Though in saying this we are governed ( not enough may i add ) by our own parliament. Here's hoping England & Wales shall follow suit.
Post 476971 by bubba_1986 on 2012-03-23 19:06:30
[quote=Wobbly Dave;476948]
Anyway I would hate to see it spoiled by our inability to drink responsibly. Probably unwise to discuss politics or religion on a car forum but there you go...
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True, these subjects have a tendency to get out of hand.
Post 476978 by zoidberg on 2012-03-23 19:18:36
[quote=bubba_1986;476968]Agree that booze is too cheap. Here in Scotland the SNP have thankfully last October pasted law so outlets can't sell buy one get one free etc.
The min price malarkey has been going on for a while and is currently being passed through parliament.
In the long run it will benefit the NHS and save life's.
Though in saying this we are governed ( not enough may i add ) by our own parliament. Here's hoping England & Wales shall follow suit.[/quote]
I know, lets ban booze for everyone, that will surely work !!???
Hang on, wasn't that tried in a certain country called 'prohibition' ????
Just look what that led to arise in and the consequences are still going on !
Why must ORDINARY folk keep getting kicked in the goolies because of kneejerk reactions to minority group pressures. You didnt hear about all this 'damage your health' tosh back in the fifties or before or since ( till last lot of Labour rubbish got in), so claiming it is costing too much for the Health service is rubbish. Remember when Heart attacks cost the NHS far too many millions, then it was cancer,etc etc.So get a grip and leave folk alone.
A quite simple solution to the problem ( other than youngsters still living at home till nearly thirty !!), is to put a HIGH tax on ANY alcohol sold in containers (bottles/ cans etc ), that way if it is only sold on draft it can only be bought in a public house. That way folk go out sober, drink in a pub thus keeping them open and folk in employment. Bish Bosh, job done.
Post 477011 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-23 19:47:31
I am singularly unswayed by the arguement - let's ban the booze. Prohibition is not the answer. Widening this into an "well we may as well do the extreme" helps no-one & proves little.
Who are these ORDINARY people & where do they live?
I think I will go back to discussing the use of Water Injection on forced induction engines. Or put my head back in the sand where it usually lives.
Post 477023 by bubba_1986 on 2012-03-23 19:55:26
Head back in the sand mate ;)
Though water in injection sounds good. You thinking of doing it ?
Post 477037 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-23 20:11:18
yes mate - I am going to inject the water into the sand.
Post 477065 by The Flying Moose on 2012-03-23 21:05:45
Im sorry but Alcohol currently carries a high premium of tax as it is, raising it is unfair for the sensible majority. I myself am a social drinker and I would be lying if I said I didnt enjoy a beer or two after the odd hard day at work and a few social beers with the chaps down the local on a Friday.
As for the problems drink causes... well yes binge drinking is causing a massive issue (believe me as a Ambulance worker myself I pick up the drunks at the weekend) however those who enjoy a a couple of beers maybe three nights a week are doing no harm.
I wholeheartedly agree that drinking has become a problem but as previously mentioned raising the price wont solve the problem it will as with everything else just leave folk with less money in their pockets.
It sickens me that once again the government are asking for more and more from our pay packets yet the deficit remains unchanged on the whole. How on earth is rising the rate of pre tax income to £9,000 going to help either!!!
Im sorry but this tax on life makes my blood boil :mad111:
Post 477067 by p fandango on 2012-03-23 21:12:51
[quote=The Flying Moose;477065]Im sorry but this tax on life makes my blood boil :mad111:[/quote]
& thats all it is, i don't believe any of this "its to discourage violence" bull. Its purely to get more money out of us
Post 477068 by LiamT4 on 2012-03-23 21:17:06
and theres the problem, just because some people go out and get wasted every weekend, doesn't mean everyone should have to pay more for alcohol.
I can say that if this had came in when i was 20, it wouldn't have made any difference to me, i would still have got wasted every thurs, fri and sat. It would have taken more than an increase in price to change my attitude towards drinking.
This price increase just means everyone pays more, the p*ssheads (like i was) and the people who drink sensibly (like i do now.....mostly).
Post 477071 by Al115 on 2012-03-23 21:32:53
[quote=zip929;476859]I think the issue is that the youngsters tend to get drunk at home before they even go out to the pub.
When I was younger we would meet in the pub, but you did not drink half a bottle of vodka before leaving home to go to the pub!
Being drunk when you arrive at the pub now seems the norm.[/quote]
The Scandinavians have been doing this for ages. You'd have thought that we'd seen that trend coming...! :)
Post 477072 by p fandango on 2012-03-23 21:34:26
[quote=LiamT4;477068]and theres the problem, just because some people go out and get wasted every weekend, doesn't mean everyone should have to pay more for alcohol.[/quote]
it does if it means the government gets more money out of it. It's just another reason to put the tax up, pin it all on the younger generation & find the target for the next tax hike
Post 477077 by LiamT4 on 2012-03-23 21:45:54
[quote=p fandango;477072]it does if it means the government gets more money out of it. It's just another reason to put the tax up, pin it all on the younger generation & find the target for the next tax hike[/quote]
I only really drink absolute vodka and corona, which are quite expensive anyway so, hopefully it won't effect me.
Post 477112 by bubba_1986 on 2012-03-23 22:35:03
[quote=Wobbly Dave;477037]yes mate - I am going to inject the water into the sand.[/quote]
aye very good. Any more luck with courier ?
Post 477120 by M-R-P on 2012-03-23 23:07:24
[quote=jayeastanglia;476950]martinpeachy and dave can you post up your letters blanking your home address and full name be good for others to actually se what mp's actually think and say about there local residents.our local mp who came round the other day(I was tired after having done a night shift didnt get his name)when i questioned him about rising fuel costs and car tax made a quick exit to next door who said simlar things(handy having a few car nuts round here)[/quote]
Here you go,
Minor differences but they must pull paragraphs from a list marked "fuel fob-offs"
Sorryit's a bit grubby, I gave it to little MRP to play with :)
Post 477123 by Wobbly Dave on 2012-03-23 23:20:55
no I haven't got around to it. Will get it booked this weekend
Post 477146 by bubba_1986 on 2012-03-24 01:43:35
[quote=Wobbly Dave;477123]no I haven't got around to it. Will get it booked this weekend[/quote]
good man, just txt me with cost and i'll transfer
Post 477158 by shepbomb on 2012-03-24 08:51:58
Its frustrating, as a friend of mine recently came back from dubai and he was telling me how it cost just over £10 of his hard earned cash to fill his dads range rover sport up... Imagine that :-)
Post 477162 by 960kg on 2012-03-24 09:44:08
Now you will see the youth crime rate soar to fund there drinking habits!