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    D5 + Tune/Chip = Problems ?

    Before chipping/tuning wanted to try and understand some of the potential issues we have experienced.

    Decided to buy a 2.4/D5 either 2006/7 with Geartronic.

    So if you have either experienced or know of problems that occur after chipping, could you please share, so that at least I am forewarned.

    PLEASE not a dealer bashing thread but more mechanical failure.

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    I owned a D5 on a 53 plate and had it remapped from 163bhp to 210bhp rica. The result was a remarkable one, the torque was through the roof (i think it was around 475mn) while the mpg went up from 35mpg to 45mpg with still a heavy right foot, motorway driving was coming out at 55+. Down sides were as i had a heavy right foot the tyre wear was scary, and also due to my driving style the turbo was on the way out fast!! These things as we all know happen to any car's componants when pushed hard so if treated with respect having it remapped is a great thing to do. It should also remain invisable to any Volvo services so won't effect the warranty if there is still one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agr View Post
    It should also remain invisable to any Volvo services so won't effect the warranty if there is still one.
    I would be VERY suspect of that

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    Defo not invisible to the techs at Volvo..they will not its there

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    Quote Originally Posted by tingymagig View Post
    I would be VERY suspect of that
    There seems to be a difference of opinion on whether the Volvo technicians can "spot" upgrades
      • those that think there are many buckets of code and they may fall across an upgrade by accident
      • those that think that Volvo spot it as soon as plugging in their diagnostics software

    my only real concern is that car will be under warranty, so any mishaps (i.e massive/expensive failures) will be blamed on the non-Volvo upgrade.

    The "chipper" agrees to reinstall his upgrade for the duration of my ownership, as and when and if Volvo overwrite it.

    Other than intercoolers - any other common failures that I need to be cautious of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T5R+ View Post
    There seems to be a difference of opinion on whether the Volvo technicians can "spot" upgrades
      • those that think there are many buckets of code and they may fall across an upgrade by accident
      • those that think that Volvo spot it as soon as plugging in their diagnostics software

    my only real concern is that car will be under warranty, so any mishaps (i.e massive/expensive failures) will be blamed on the non-Volvo upgrade.

    The "chipper" agrees to reinstall his upgrade for the duration of my ownership, as and when and if Volvo overwrite it.

    Other than intercoolers - any other common failures that I need to be cautious of?
    if they plug their software in an run the car they will see it as all the engine settings will be differant from what they are expecting to see imo

    also i have an 06 D5 (still under warrenty) why not do what im doing and wait till it runs out before getting the re-map as that would negate all your problems in that reguard

    surely volvo cant overwrite it without your permission that would be like changing the wheels on your car without your permission

    also have a look at MTE's remap for the D5 as from the sounds of it, it will leave the rica standing

    and dont buy a 2.4d buy the D5
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    I was put off the idea of a chip, remap or add-on box by the experiences of a colleague with an '03 S60 D5 manual. I only have vague details but here goes -

    After the software upload the car threw 'loads of fault codes' along with at least one 'engine service required' and 'emissions service required' messages at regular intervals. Detectable black smoke on acceleration, reluctance to start and a loss of flexibility ie the capability to pootle in traffic in one gear. All these are purely subjective and I would be lying if I said I knew which remap he had. He was friends with the man who carried out the 'upgrade' and for what its worth I believe it was someone in the Preston area.

    The kicker was that the 'tuner' was either very reluctant to remove the software or simply couldn't return the vehicle to standard. He traded the car in and stated later that he wished he had never had the thing chipped in the first place.

    Just like Jeremy Clarkson doing 'some checks' on the Bugatti before lowering the rear spoiler choose your tuner 'carefully'. It is not unreasonable to ask to speak to any customers who have had the work carried out. FWIW APR claim that their software is undetectable at a dealer level and I can believe that as most technicians would never get so deeply involved as to end up reading great long lines of machine code, they'd simply condemn the ECU and move on.

    My gut reaction is still 'Don't'. If you want it that fast then go buy a 530d Sport, they come with 260bhp as standard. If you want a Volvo then get a Volvo but don't try to turn it into something else and then compplain that it doesn't perform like a Volvo any more. . .

    </enough already>

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    You are correct about the 5 Series...........

    My shortlist is V70/E-Class 320CDI Saloon/530 or 535D Tourer.

    With 2007 V70 2.4D's at £12.5K the Germans do not seem value for money.

    Would prefer a D5 but both the 2.4D and D5 tune to exactly the same output - thus why pay the extra for the D5 if definitely chipping it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tingymagig View Post
    if they plug their software in an run the car they will see it as all the engine settings will be differant from what they are expecting to see imo

    also i have an 06 D5 (still under warrenty) why not do what im doing and wait till it runs out before getting the re-map as that would negate all your problems in that reguard

    surely volvo cant overwrite it without your permission that would be like changing the wheels on your car without your permission

    also have a look at MTE's remap for the D5 as from the sounds of it, it will leave the rica standing

    and dont buy a 2.4d buy the D5
    I don't think that unless they really look a tech would spot a remap, they don't get your car in with the first intention of checking if its tuned. Perhaps on test drive it would be apparent. I'm not saying it can't be spotted as it can, but its if they would notice it or not.

    The MTE remap that (correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't exist as yet?
    Also why the agenda with Rica, how would it compare to BSR, or DTS Ltd ?

    All sounds a bit sour to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    I don't think that unless they really look a tech would spot a remap, they don't get your car in with the first intention of checking if its tuned. Perhaps on test drive it would be apparent. I'm not saying it can't be spotted as it can, but its if they would notice it or not.

    The MTE remap that (correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't exist as yet?
    Also why the agenda with Rica, how would it compare to BSR, or DTS Ltd ?

    All sounds a bit sour to me.
    I agree, i had the car serviced by Volvo with the promise from the tuner that if Volvo had to flash the software and the remap erased they'd retune it f.o.c. and it came back unoticed. I can't speak for any one else but that was my experience. As for black smoke, starting problems etc i had none of those, again this is only my experience. I also agree that if you really want a powerful desiel nothing touches the 535d, but the problem of affording one is another matter!! I had the car for about 15 months and had a blast in it, but more kids meant an upgrade in size and thinking seriously of remapping that one too, will need advice on where to go soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T5R+ View Post
    Would prefer a D5 but both the 2.4D and D5 tune to exactly the same output - thus why pay the extra for the D5 if definitely chipping it.

    they most certainly do not tune to the same output

    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    The MTE remap that (correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't exist as yet?
    Also why the agenda with Rica, how would it compare to BSR, or DTS Ltd ?

    All sounds a bit sour to me.

    http://forums.t5d5.org/index.php?showtopic=3926

    also

    http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showth...ghlight=mte+d5

    you stand corrected sir
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    Thanks for the update, Indeed i do on one part.

    Doesn't answer the other questions though, I would imagine its a good product, its taken them long enough, however better than Rica or others???? No one has driven one yet so lets not jump the gun ey
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    FYI T5R+

    Here is a breakdown of the top 4 tuners (IMO) in no particular order.

    D5 Euro 3 (2001-2005) - VIN code 79
    Standard = 163 hp / 340 Nm
    RICA = 198 hp / 435 Nm (Normal Tune)
    RICA = 210 hp / 475 Nm (Sports Tune, can’t confirm the figures)
    BSR = 197 hp / 470 Nm
    HEICO = 190 hp / 390 Nm
    MTE = 195 hp / 420 Nm

    2.4D Euro 4 (2006 onwards) – VIN code 69
    Standard = 163 hp / 340 Nm
    RICA = 226 hp / 460 Nm (Normal Tune) Don’t know if special sports tune is available.
    BSR = 220 hp / 455 Nm
    HEICIO = 210 hp / 460 Nm
    MTE = 225hp / 480 Nm (Not available for the new S80/V70 II)

    D5 Euro 4 (2006 onwards) – VIN code 71
    Standard = 185 hp / 400 Nm
    RICA = 226 hp / 460 Nm (Normal Tune) Don’t know if special sports tune is available.
    BSR = 220 hp / 455 Nm
    HEICIO = 210 hp / 460 Nm
    MTE = 225hp / 480 Nm (Not available for the new S80/V70 II)

    Simple fact is that the Euro 4 2006 onwards 2.4D and D5 re exactly the same engine, with software being the only difference. The old D5 and the new 2.4D are NOT the same engines, even though they produce the same power and torque in standard form, ie 163 hp / 340 Nm. This is what causes the confusion and is the reason why many people think the new 2.4D is just a rebadged old D5, it’s not!

    I'm not exactly sure how MTE will leave any of the other tuners standing, by the looks of it they will be similar (suprise suprise) but with different characteristics.

    To answer one of your first questions, I would definately buy the 2.4D as it will tune to the same power as the D5 but cost less. It is the same engine after all.

    Old common failures were injectors and weak intercooler seals, however i have no idea if these have been rectified on the newer models. Perhaps a tech may be able to help you on that.

    Hope that helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by tingymagig View Post
    they most certainly do not tune to the same output


    you stand corrected sir
    As do you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    As do you
    ooooooooou get the feeling sum1 doesnt like to be proved wrong

    we are talking about phase 2 cars her arnt we (being the phase 2 section)

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    Lol, nothing of the sort, was just returning the favour

    Yes they are phase 2 cars, they didnt make any phase one D5's mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tingymagig View Post
    ooooooooou get the feeling sum1 doesnt like to be proved wrong

    we are talking about phase 2 cars her arnt we (being the phase 2 section)
    o dear reasons one and two NOT to post when youve been in the pub since half 12

    as for the phase 2 thing if any1 know wtf i was talking about or going with that can they please let me know cuz i dont remember much after 5pm yesterday least of all wtf thats on about

    now whats a good hangover cure

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    Quote Originally Posted by T5R+ View Post
    You are correct about the 5 Series...........
    My shortlist is V70/E-Class 320CDI Saloon/530 or 535D Tourer.
    535d + DMS remap = 344bhp and 506lb ft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    FYI T5R+

    To answer one of your first questions, I would definately buy the 2.4D as it will tune to the same power as the D5 but cost less. It is the same engine after all.
    Excellent - unsurprisingly, you get it!

    Additionally, thanks for listing the tuners and their power claims with respect to the different engine configurations - many others will also benefit from this summary AND it saved me undertaking the task.

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