T5 problems continue...

**Leeds_finest** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 23:31

As for compression test, it's worth a try, had to compression test my S60R before so I'm no stranger to that one.

I'll do that at weekend and report back.

Thanks mate

**graemewelch** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 23:54

bet you wish youd kept the s60r now. prob a cracking motor with all the jobs you done to it. ive been very lucky with mine. only real thing to let me down was the rica ppc unit which hamish sorted in no time. he put it on rolling road. saw that the ppc unit had only removed part of the remap file so wasvrunning mega rich and fouling the plugs. he put standard file on done 2nd run and checked codes. all fine then put the autotech map one. job done. been perfect ever since. apart from the map made the clutch slip butvthats wear and tear

**silverhorse** · Friday 28th June 2013, 04:34

Thats a bummer!! I was hoping you would be sorted now. That is a shame

I have never used HLM but alot of guys here swear by them so I think you may have to get it to them and leave it with them for a few days. This sounds like a time consuming fault finding exercise, with try something and then a test drive repeated many times. Actually fixing it will probably be simple, its just finding the damn problem....!

**Leeds_finest** · Friday 28th June 2013, 06:55

Originally Posted by graemewelch

bet you wish youd kept the s60r now. prob a cracking motor with all the jobs you done to it. ive been very lucky with mine. only real thing to let me down was the rica ppc unit which hamish sorted in no time. he put it on rolling road. saw that the ppc unit had only removed part of the remap file so wasvrunning mega rich and fouling the plugs. he put standard file on done 2nd run and checked codes. all fine then put the autotech map one. job done. been perfect ever since. apart from the map made the clutch slip butvthats wear and tear

To be honest mate I'm glad I got rid. The bodywork was nice and clean but mechanically it was a real dog

Ok bud maybe a trip to HLM in order then...

Originally Posted by silverhorse

Thats a bummer!! I was hoping you would be sorted now. That is a shame

I have never used HLM but alot of guys here swear by them so I think you may have to get it to them and leave it with them for a few days. This sounds like a time consuming fault finding exercise, with try something and then a test drive repeated many times. Actually fixing it will probably be simple, its just finding the damn problem....!

Exactly... It's definitely something simple I know this but finding it is a pain as you say.

**JamesT5** · Friday 28th June 2013, 09:29

Ed, remember we tested my reasonably healthy (as it turns out), ETM in your car it we still encountered problems. I have a feeling the ETM is not therefore at fault and my money is still sitting firmly on a sensor most likely linked to boost control (remember the road test we did).

By the way, I tried phoning you yesterday but it went to answerphone, we'll have to get in touch later today for a chat.

**graemewelch** · Friday 28th June 2013, 09:48

live date on the rolling road will give all the info needed. james i thought your motor wasnt running perfectly. if yous have simular problems then might be changing poor part for bad part. just a thought and not a dig

**JamesT5** · Friday 28th June 2013, 09:50

Originally Posted by graemewelch

live date on the rolling road will give all the info needed. james i thought your motor wasnt running perfectly. if yous have simular problems then might be changing poor part for bad part. just a thought and not a dig

No, mine seems to be running fine now, I've had no rough running and no MAF or Throttle Position Sensor codes since I last reported it.

My main focus right now is my transmission issue but this is the wrong thread to discuss that in.

**Chad** · Friday 28th June 2013, 15:24

Hi Ed,

can you remember who you spoke to at GRN?

As it was not myself or Benny...

I did ask and no body recalls speaking to you about this problem.

thanks

Chad

**LeeT5** · Friday 28th June 2013, 16:27

Originally Posted by graemewelch

yes it could be possible. did they give you any discount saying as they never gave you a answer. idealy they should of took it out. i alway write down my milage if i use a garage which is getting more and more often. im back home sat if want yo do a compression check. i can happily talk you through it. its def worth speaking to t5lee. he has a dantastic amount of knolodge when it comes to this kind of problem. not only is he a breakdown guy hut hes a volvo enthusiast and perfectionist. did you say were you close to hlm. might be worth a xall yo hamish. he will be ablevto do a rolling road run and read the live date. i also beleve shark performance have all the latest software to and very very good knolidge of volvos. excuse my spelling. its on a mobile and im full of morphine

Did you mean....LeeT5? That's me!

I know nothing. In fact I've sold my Volvo and now own a Toyota previa!

**LeeT5** · Friday 28th June 2013, 16:40

Originally Posted by Leeds_finest

Refitted my overhauled throttle body and my car runs just as bad, if not worse.

On automatic choke it seemed fine, as soon as the revs settled on idle it just seemed to misfire and splutter.

Typically, no EML - yet there's quite clearly a problem (it's not even registering a misfire).

Getting sick of this car I cannot believe I bought another P2 Volvo, my first one was unreliable and now this is too.

OK,

lets start again.

firstly, your definition of a misfire! Can you elaborate?

What do you mean by "splutter"?

Aside from the fact it's been to a dealer and they only spent 1 hour on it, they were unlikely to get anywhere in such a short space of time. You haven't said what their conclusion was? Did they want to spend more time on it or did they (rather ashamedly) say they can't find what's wrong?

Can you do me a massive favor?? I need you to post a video of the engines behavior from cold start please. You don't need to do a running commentary, just a video from cold start to warm idle. Include some revving from base idle to 3000rpm from outside the car if possible. Get your missus to hold the camera and you do the revving.

Lets go from there....

**graemewelch** · Friday 28th June 2013, 17:23

Originally Posted by LeeT5

Did you mean....LeeT5? That's me!

I know nothing. In fact I've sold my Volvo and now own a Toyota previa!

haha id laugh if i saw you in a toyota people carrier. i bet that R will be with you for a lot of years. im sure now eds getting the right advice and not listening to hearsay that gose on on forums. thatl hell get to the bottom of a annoying issue.

**Leeds_finest** · Friday 28th June 2013, 21:37

Originally Posted by Chad

Hi Ed,

can you remember who you spoke to at GRN?

As it was not myself or Benny...

I did ask and no body recalls speaking to you about this problem.

thanks

Chad

Hi Chad.

I really don't know who it was. Whoever it was, they didn't sound as switched on as whoever I've spoken to at GRN before?

I mentioned that I had swapped my throttle position sensor and was seeing if I needed a reload/reconfigure and the person thought I had changed my MAF?

Anyway, car will need attention soon if you think you guys can shed some light - I shall bring it down.

Many thanks

Originally Posted by LeeT5

OK,

lets start again.

firstly, your definition of a misfire! Can you elaborate?

What do you mean by "splutter"?

Aside from the fact it's been to a dealer and they only spent 1 hour on it, they were unlikely to get anywhere in such a short space of time. You haven't said what their conclusion was? Did they want to spend more time on it or did they (rather ashamedly) say they can't find what's wrong?

Can you do me a massive favor?? I need you to post a video of the engines behavior from cold start please. You don't need to do a running commentary, just a video from cold start to warm idle. Include some revving from base idle to 3000rpm from outside the car if possible. Get your missus to hold the camera and you do the revving.

Lets go from there....

Right,

On idle the car runs fine at first. Then I suppose you could say it sounds reminiscent of 'hunting'. Sometimes it's rhythmic, like it would be if you disconnected one coil pack for example, and other times it has no rhythm and is literally all over the place between say 600rpm-1000rpm.

By splutter I mean it's as though you are taking your foot on and off the throttle even when your foot is at a steady, constant throttle depression.

Apparently one hour is run of the mill for a diagnostic session and that included the ECM reload - what else can I say? They were typically 'grey' about the answer... apparently the technician and service desk adviser said they would put their money on it being the throttle body still - although this was not a solid answer.

Yes, i'll try to record it from cold start over the weekend.

Thank you.

**Leeds_finest** · Saturday 29th June 2013, 18:40

Just wanted to say thank you to Chad from GRN for takin the time to speak to me today about my car.

Will hopefully get it down there this week if they can fit me in.

Thanks again.

**Jamest5r** · Saturday 29th June 2013, 18:46

Originally Posted by Leeds_finest

Just wanted to say thank you to Chad from GRN for takin the time to speak to me today about my car.

Will hopefully get it down there this week if they can fit me in.

Thanks again.

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**Leeds_finest** · Saturday 29th June 2013, 19:12

I wasn't opposed to taking it there or anywhere to be honest mate, I just wanted to try and get it sorted myself first

(Which I failed at miserably haha)

**mr shifter** · Sunday 30th June 2013, 11:05

Originally Posted by Leeds_finest

I wasn't opposed to taking it there or anywhere to be honest mate, I just wanted to try and get it sorted myself first

(Which I failed at miserably haha)

I see failure as not bothering in the first place. Trying to sort issues and not doing so is not failing in my opinion. At least you tried !!!

**JamesT5** · Sunday 30th June 2013, 14:51

Originally Posted by mr shifter

I see failure as not bothering in the first place. Trying to sort issues and not doing so is not failing in my opinion. At least you tried !!!

Well said!

**graemewelch** · Wednesday 3rd July 2013, 15:32

hope things are going well at grn. i look forward to hearing what was up.

**LeeT5** · Friday 12th July 2013, 19:57

Video?????

**Leeds_finest** · Monday 15th July 2013, 19:41

Originally Posted by graemewelch

hope things are going well at grn. i look forward to hearing what was up.

Originally Posted by LeeT5

Video?????

Right guys,

Admittedly I did forget to take a video but the lumpy idle is now solved so I suppose I need to video the car moving through the revs...

UPDATE:

Took car to GRN who diagnosed the problem as throttle body fault with three permanent throttle body error codes. As the chap who "repaired" mine is away for a few weeks I had to keep things moving so bought a genuine Volvo item and had it reloaded at Volvo once fitted.

It didn't fix the running problem, just straightened out the lumpy idle, so I picked the car up and drove home. On the way home, the car seemed to semi-fix itself. I would describe it as running smoothly through the revs at about 80% of it's usual power/potential. However, I was pleased with this progress.

Popped to supermarket and on way home, typical, started to play up again. At wide open throttle, the car feels under powered and is very on/off as though my foot is being taken on and off the pedal.

The car is now back at GRN for further diagnosis.

Thoughts?