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    How strong is the 5spd auto?

    As above really.

    Just wandering how strong the 5 speeder is compared to the old 4spd.

    The 4spd has proved pretty bulletproof in the S70, but the C70 has the newer 'box, so wandering if it's likely to shat itself immediately if I hit it with the tuning stick in future.

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    They cope fine with increases in torque BUT not lack of oil changes. If it's slow and dim witted in gear changes it will improve with a flush and reset. If it seems to drop into neutral when slowing and it changes from 3rd to 2nd then it's knackered.

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    I've known plenty of 5sp's fail (serviced) and seen rebuilt ones fail also after a short time.

    Servicing as Tim says help a lot, but I stick with the 6sp autos as they are more robust and used in the polestar and have the pretty much bullet proof angle gear and collar, my angle gear wasn't serviced until 142k and still on Original collar.

    Volvo only used the 5sp awd auto for 2/3 years where as the 6sp was used for over 10years

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    If we're talking about the 2wd 5spd auto, i'l tell you what my garage told me.
    The early geartronics had a lot of issues but once past 2003 they got much more reliable, especially on the non T5 cars. In fact thay could only remember having issues with one, non t5, car and that was a d5 that had done huge miles.
    If looked after they should be ok for light tuning, but even good ones are (imo) dumb gearboxes. I think it is because it was volvos first attempt at an "adaptive" gearbox, it's just so slow at knowing which "mode" you want the car to be in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamT4 View Post
    If we're talking about the 2wd 5spd auto, i'l tell you what my garage told me.
    The early geartronics had a lot of issues but once past 2003 they got much more reliable, especially on the non T5 cars. In fact thay could only remember having issues with one, non t5, car and that was a d5 that had done huge miles.
    If looked after they should be ok for light tuning, but even good ones are (imo) dumb gearboxes. I think it is because it was volvos first attempt at an "adaptive" gearbox, it's just so slow at knowing which "mode" you want the car to be in.
    2wd maybe be more long lived with less force going through them, but mine are all awd (well 3 of them) cars and I like an auto as a daily, so stuck with the hardy 6sp for above reasons.

    I know a chap who went through 3 5sp auto in just over 10k (two were newly rebuilt updated boxes) again awd though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ettienne View Post
    2wd maybe be more long lived with less force going through them, but mine are all awd (well 3 of them) cars and I like an auto as a daily, so stuck with the hardy 6sp for above reasons.

    I know a chap who went through 3 5sp auto in just over 10k (two were newly rebuilt updated boxes) again awd though.
    It's the combination of power and traction. Because they have so much more grip at low speeds, it puts more strain on the drive/transmission. If it's a car with decent power and a weak gearbox, it will eventually cause issues.
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    Ironically when pushed hard the AWD Volvos have less traction than a FWD with an LSD, they don't spin the wheels easily due to applying the brakes��. This is easy to tell if you drive one with traction control off. An ATB diff in the front is a massive help as there is less need to apply the brakes when you want to accelerate. You can tell the brakes are being heavily applied to the front by how poor they are at getting off the line quickly.

    Fitting an ATB in the front gives a bigger improvement in getting off the line than any other mod I've tried.

    Slight off topic, Liam was about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Williams View Post
    Ironically when pushed hard the AWD Volvos have less traction than a FWD with an LSD, they don't spin the wheels easily due to applying the brakes��. This is easy to tell if you drive one with traction control off. An ATB diff in the front is a massive help as there is less need to apply the brakes when you want to accelerate. You can tell the brakes are being heavily applied to the front by how poor they are at getting off the line quickly.

    Fitting an ATB in the front gives a bigger improvement in getting off the line than any other mod I've tried.

    Slight off topic, Liam was about right.
    As were slight off topic, not sure this holds firm for the polestars, they seem to scream off the line maybe the software is re-written to remove traction / brake intereferance? the t6 polestar mapped cars are pretty quick too, just without the launch control.

    But reliability with autos and awds I'll stick with the 6sp auto, but only as daily drivers and occasional hoofing. I've got a manual for enthusiastic driving.

    But diff is a good idea, is there any option for the rear diff?
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    Erm...
    Yeah.

    Didn't know they did a 6spd AWD auto P80 C70.

    Every day's a school day though, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doingitsideways View Post
    Erm...
    Yeah.

    Didn't know they did a 6spd AWD auto P80 C70.

    Every day's a school day though, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doingitsideways View Post
    ...a 6spd AWD auto P80 C70...
    there's the next project then. Just need a cheap 6spd R and a C70 in gay gold flavour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ettienne View Post
    As were slight off topic, not sure this holds firm for the polestars, they seem to scream off the line maybe the software is re-written to remove traction / brake intereferance? the t6 polestar mapped cars are pretty quick too, just without the launch control.

    But reliability with autos and awds I'll stick with the 6sp auto, but only as daily drivers and occasional hoofing. I've got a manual for enthusiastic driving.

    But diff is a good idea, is there any option for the rear diff?
    I had a V60 Polestar for the day and never found it quick off the line, when rolling it was ok. I guess I'm used to something a bit quicker. Which one did you have if you found it was good off the line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Williams View Post
    I had a V60 Polestar for the day and never found it quick off the line, when rolling it was ok. I guess I'm used to something a bit quicker. Which one did you have if you found it was good off the line?
    Been in a few (passenger and driving) as well as polestar'd t6's found pretty good, they felt more direct / urgent than my 6sp auto R, hard to explain like less intereference and more precise throttle, crisp, gearbox feels less held back as well.

    Which I'd have put down to software and they felt very good for a traditional non twin clutch auto.

    I've driven the 2.0 4 pot t6's as well and the d6's not driven the t8 yet though.

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    That's good to know, well done. I guess I'm just used to more powerful and faster Volvos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Williams View Post
    That's good to know, well done. I guess I'm just used to more powerful and faster Volvos.
    One that weights approx 280 kgs less and is more powerful & sounds better.
    The V60 polestar 6 pot at Combe didn't sound nice ether, I want to hear the 4 pot on track might be a bit of a disappointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey View Post
    One that weights approx 280 kgs less and is more powerful & sounds better.
    The V60 polestar 6 pot at Combe didn't sound nice ether, I want to hear the 4 pot on track might be a bit of a disappointment.
    Driven the t6 turbo and supercharged, screamer of an engine very quick to rev, doesn't sound like a 5 pot and is a bit mute in the t6 xc90 but maybe different in the polestar.

    We should have all the new engines in Gothenburg test track this time "power pulse" and t8's looking forward to it.
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