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    Performance ES vs GT

    Hi all Newbie here

    We have 3 480's in the family, namely ES, GT and Turbo. My wife's ES goes like " ......" from the word go and has 220k on the clock and the red dipstick. I have the GT and the green dipstick and air con with 150k on the clock. Supposedly, the engines are exactly the same apart from the oil cooling she has under the pistons. My car, GT, seems to be a gear behind hers ES. Once I get to 3000, then it picks up and goes. In a race she can't pull away but I have to push harder. Any ideas? There is a difference in the engines for sure but where? Her fifth gear is very good even from low rpm, mine lags a bit, I have to change down if I want to keep up. I have had the timing checked, ok but the plugs are very light coloured, almost white. I get extremely good fuel consumption. I wonder if I am running lean for some reason! I have used copious Redex and the GT is quickening, as I suspected the injectors may have been clogged up a bit. Have you heard anything like this from anyone else.
    Secondly, my Turbo's gauge only get just into the yellow by a quarter to a third, is this normal and what is the running pressure for a normal car supposed to be? Is there anything I should check apart from the boost system leaking to make sure the Turbo is producing it's best performance.

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    Your GT will be a 2 litre, her ES a 1.7? Same gear ratios AFAIK but about 100 kg difference between them and almost the same power output, that might explain it if so

    Nice paris blue turbo there...here's mine:

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    It would be a good idea to get injectors cleaned on the GT - there's a member on here with username MRP who has cleaned a couple of sets for me

    From memory, stock boost for your Turbo is about 2/3's into the yellow....long time ago since mine was stock...

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    ...although that said already one engine is dead due to boost! This thread might be useful in your case:

    http://www.volvo-480-europe.org/foru...hp?f=3&t=16224

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    Thanks for your reply Jamesy and for the welcome,

    I believe her car is a 2 litre as well as the GT, as we have the docs. The injector thread is a positive way forward, cheers for that.
    The turbo had been pottered around for 10 years prior to me buying it, only doing 1200 per year. I expect it was a shopping car!!!!!!. I doubt if the turbo was ever used in anger!!!!!
    We took it to Germany last week and gunned it a bit; the improvement in performance was amazing.
    What system do you use for boosting the turbo?

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    Welcome.
    Love a 480 myself, never been brave enough to buy one.
    missing being Swedish

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    Welcome aboard

    Good to see some more 480 love on here.

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    I had a brief affair with Jamesy's Turbo too, but that's a whole other story!

    As for modding the Turbo, there's a member on 480 Club forums called Robou, he modifies the boost/ignition ecu and ups the boost to about 14psi. That's about half way into the red on the guage.
    That ups the power from 120bhp to a safe 170ish, as that's what the original prototypes made and is plenty of fun in a one-tonne car.
    He's not on there all that much these days, but you never know!

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    The fella who developed the original mod was called Richard Pruen, he used to mod ecus before Robou.
    However, the mod still tends to have the generic handle of "Richmod."
    If you speak to Robou, he will take massive offence if you call his mod by that name, he likes to call his "Roboumod."
    As far as I can tell they are pretty much the same, but who knows!
    Just thought I'd give you the heads up, as Robou is a bit of a touchy fella. Very knowledgeable, but a bit secret handshakey!
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    Thanks for the reply. I am talking to him about the mod. I am relieved to hear that the original made loads of useful power at 14psi. I suppose the bean stealers made them reduce the power output to boring and reliable for Joe public!!!!
    Alastair...Love your car.

    I know I have had the 'Robou experience' already....hee hee
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    Hi Biff, we now have a trio of 480s...ES, GT and Turbo. Brave enough!!!
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    I'm not far behind you.

    I have the 480 and two 460s, one of which is a turbo.
    Also an S70, 850 and S80 T6 - the Volvo with the worst reputation for build quality, right behind the 480!

    Mad? Yes. Definitely.

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    What did you think of the 850 overall?

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    Which one? I've had several, lol.

    The list above is the current fleet. The 850 being a TDi and is my workhorse.

    850s:
    N/A petrols - torquey, bullet proof engines, not quick, still thirsty despite lack of turbo.
    TDi - feel quick enough and with mild work will keep with a standard T5 to illegal speeds. 5cyl Audi engine. Pretty frugal for a big old bus.
    T5 - quick, modify it and it'll blow your socks off with it's brutality compared to later T5 engined cars. Still pretty bulletproof. Epic appetite for front tyres even in standard trim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K605ewa View Post
    Thanks for your reply Jamesy and for the welcome,

    I believe her car is a 2 litre as well as the GT, as we have the docs. The injector thread is a positive way forward, cheers for that.
    The turbo had been pottered around for 10 years prior to me buying it, only doing 1200 per year. I expect it was a shopping car!!!!!!. I doubt if the turbo was ever used in anger!!!!!
    We took it to Germany last week and gunned it a bit; the improvement in performance was amazing.
    What system do you use for boosting the turbo?

    Just noticed this, if they are both B20F engines I would expect the performance to be pretty similar! GT probably heavier still but not by that much. Nothing obviously wrong with the GT like air filter needing changed, collapsed cat??

    On my car, Robou had a fiddle with the ECU, the mod that Steve mentions above
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    Reading the op back...

    You mention piston cooling.
    On a B20F?
    New one on me, as I thought they didn't have any cooling, one of the reasons you can't turbo the 2 litre.

    Does sound like a collapsed cat, especially as it picks up at high revs.
    Probably worth doing a stage 0 on it though. Especially the fuel filter and ignition side of things - spark plugs, HTs, dizzy cap, rotor arm, coil. Just ignition problems tend to be exaggerated at lower revs.

    Saying all that though, I've found my 160k B20F to be MUCH quicker and free revving than my 55k one.
    The high mileage one has a bit of piston slap from cold, but once warm it keeps with a standard turbo easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doingitsideways View Post
    Reading the op back...

    You mention piston cooling.
    On a B20F?
    New one on me, as I thought they didn't have any cooling, one of the reasons you can't turbo the 2 litre.

    Does sound like a collapsed cat, especially as it picks up at high revs.
    Probably worth doing a stage 0 on it though. Especially the fuel filter and ignition side of things - spark plugs, HTs, dizzy cap, rotor arm, coil. Just ignition problems tend to be exaggerated at lower revs.

    Saying all that though, I've found my 160k B20F to be MUCH quicker and free revving than my 55k one.
    The high mileage one has a bit of piston slap from cold, but once warm it keeps with a standard turbo easily.
    That comment had me fooled also hence assuming it was a 1.7. After a bit of digging I found this thread, saying early 2 litres were also Norris McWhirters (squirters..!)

    http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/archiv.../t-108987.html

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    Will do as you suggested. Ta

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    Yup, and the red dipstick handle as opposed to my green dipstick handle. That led me to think there may be a slight difference in the engines. Having looked at the thread http://www.volvo-480-europe.org/volvo480/specs.php I realise that there is nothing different between any of the B20fs

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    Quote Originally Posted by K605ewa View Post
    Yup, and the red dipstick handle as opposed to my green dipstick handle. That led me to think there may be a slight difference in the engines. Having looked at the thread http://www.volvo-480-europe.org/volvo480/specs.php I realise that there is nothing different between any of the B20fs
    there are some differences (as you have already pointed out) between the 2 litres but nothing that should make such a big difference! I would be interested to know what the outcome is, and to see more pictures of the fleet - how about a project thread?

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    Or even join in the craic and add to the now infamous "Thread of Projects."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doingitsideways View Post
    Or even join in the craic and add to the now infamous "Thread of Projects."
    Good idea, reminds me I need to update mine. A bit boring this month though for mine at least the 480 was fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesy12345 View Post
    Good idea, reminds me I need to update mine. A bit boring this month though for mine at least the 480 was fixed
    Aye, mine too tbh. Not much happened since the last update after York.
    Although, I feel the Shark's performance may be back down to before, as I noticed a leaf sticking out of the bonnet shut line yesterday. All that hard work...

    Great news about Pollution the 480 though, now all you need is a manual 'box.
    Can't think who'd have one of those knocking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doingitsideways View Post
    Aye, mine too tbh. Not much happened since the last update after York.
    Although, I feel the Shark's performance may be back down to before, as I noticed a leaf sticking out of the bonnet shut line yesterday. All that hard work...

    Great news about Pollution the 480 though, now all you need is a manual 'box.
    Can't think who'd have one of those knocking about.
    Fecking leaves you'd think they grow on trees

    Certainly is matey! I got a manual box donated free gratis by Right Honourable Sir Lord Sparkysparks Esq


 

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