Stage 1 Remap advice/recommendations..

[Goldmember]

Hi all,
I know this is a can of worms but here goes..
My car is a '99 V70 2.5T ME7 that I've had for a couple of months . I'm looking at remaps but I'm unsure whose to go for. I find the auto a bit bland ie its gradual and u get speed but theres not a lot of feeling of it ie no real shove . Hoping a remap would change that, plus wish it would come in earlier but was told by BSR that would not change. Anyway its between BSR and Shark . Read too much about HLM, undecided about Kalmar Union as the map would have to be sent to me and installed myself, and I've used Shark before on my previous Audi and was very happy with the remap..they are the favourite choice justnow but happy with guidance on here.
Just to add I phoned Shark today to find out more info/ final cost etc, the guy that answered the phone wasn't exactly super-keen to impress, I gave my details and got told they'd phone me back ... still waiting! Good start eh? :/ Maybe I'm over-reacting but still..
So not exactly impressed especially when it's a lot of money to me.
Can anyone give me their experiences with Stage 1 remaps? It'd be even more amazing if anyone has done a 2.5T an how it changes it.
All help appreciated,
Thanks,
Steve

[stribo]

Deathrider has modified his 2.5T, but he fitted a bigger turbo, and got it remapped as a T5 I believe.

[nosh]

speak to deathrider mate he'll point you in the right direction ....

[JamesT5]

Hi all,
I know this is a can of worms but here goes..
My car is a '99 V70 2.5T ME7 that I've had for a couple of months . I'm looking at remaps but I'm unsure whose to go for. I find the auto a bit bland ie its gradual and u get speed but theres not a lot of feeling of it ie no real shove . Hoping a remap would change that, plus wish it would come in earlier but was told by BSR that would not change. Anyway its between BSR and Shark . Read too much about HLM, undecided about Kalmar Union as the map would have to be sent to me and installed myself, and I've used Shark before on my previous Audi and was very happy with the remap..they are the favourite choice justnow but happy with guidance on here.
Just to add I phoned Shark today to find out more info/ final cost etc, the guy that answered the phone wasn't exactly super-keen to impress, I gave my details and got told they'd phone me back ... still waiting! Good start eh? :/ Maybe I'm over-reacting but still..
So not exactly impressed especially when it's a lot of money to me.
Can anyone give me their experiences with Stage 1 remaps? It'd be even more amazing if anyone has done a 2.5T an how it changes it.
All help appreciated,
Thanks,
Steve

The 2.5T ME7 is basically the same as the 'R' engine but with a smaller turbo and different map/ Bolt on a bigger turbo and get a remap and you basically have a cheap FWD 'R'.

[stribo]

The 2.5T ME7 is basically the same as the 'R' engine but with a smaller turbo and different map/ Bolt on a bigger turbo and get a remap and you basically have a cheap FWD 'R'.

You couldn't have over simplified that any more had you tried, the internals of the R engine are different, the R has VVT on both cams, not to mention the variable vain turbo and twin intercoolers. A bigger turbo and remap are the way to go, but you'll be looking at between 260-280 BHP with supporting mods.

[M-R-P]

The smaller turbo in the 2.5t means it'll gain low-down torque from a map. Top end will suffer as the turbo will be at its limit earlier on but it'll still be a fair bit faster. BSR, kalmar, Shark and Rica can offer diy maps on a softloader and it's really easy to install. I've used one myself.
Dint completely discount HLM, dig into the history of any tuner and you'll find horror stories. I have an autotech map from HLM on my car and it's great.

[Ettienne]

The 2.5T ME7 is basically the same as the 'R' engine but with a smaller turbo and different map/ Bolt on a bigger turbo and get a remap and you basically have a cheap FWD 'R'.

Be careful, isn't the compression higher on the 2.5t? I'd check out any major differences such as turbos carefully incase of denotation or such like and engine destruction, try the map meant for the engine first.

[AAnickmac]

What's an ideal turbo upgrade to the 2.5t then?

[Ettienne]

What's an ideal turbo upgrade to the 2.5t then?

Speak to death rider ax I believe he has done similar.

[Goldmember]

Thank you everyone!
Mainly due to insurance restrictions and also costs I'm limited to what I can do for now as I have no NCD on this car ( it's all on the Legacy ) so I'm hit with a high premium already..off memory a remap puts it up another £60. Next year I'll see about getting a policy for a modded car with the likes of Marketstudy or Adrian Flux.
I'd just be happy with more low down torque/shove making it feel like a turbo car which it does not feel like just now .. hell even my friends S60 1.6T has that turbo shove! Don't get me wrong, the car is running healthy - the best it's been since I got it ( new hoses, MAF, ETM, panel filter, gearbox oil change, and is about to get a full engine oil change using Shell Helix and new filter, plus new plugs , and of course running on V-power.) , and not going to be pushing the car, just some "turbo" fun would be nice.
I'll contact Kalmar Union and see what they say as good to know they do a soft-loader option , and contact Deathrider.
Thanks again folks,
Steve

[M-R-P]

My 2003 V70 with all add-ons is 220 quid without declaring the modifications. 290 with all mods declared. Adrian flux is our insurer and I highly recommend them.

You'll probably get away with an mbc on your car, wound in slightly, it'll bring the boost in harder.

[JamesT5]

I'd be scared to fit an MBC to a car because there is a risk that if it goes in to a garage for some work, there's always that one person that wants to 'have a fiddle' and they could turn it up, forget where it went and then it wrecks the engine. There should be some sort of 'key' to lock and unlock those to prevent malicious or other tampering.

[Ettienne]

Thank you everyone!
Mainly due to insurance restrictions and also costs I'm limited to what I can do for now as I have no NCD on this car ( it's all on the Legacy ) so I'm hit with a high premium already..off memory a remap puts it up another £60. Next year I'll see about getting a policy for a modded car with the likes of Marketstudy or Adrian Flux.
I'd just be happy with more low down torque/shove making it feel like a turbo car which it does not feel like just now .. hell even my friends S60 1.6T has that turbo shove! Don't get me wrong, the car is running healthy - the best it's been since I got it ( new hoses, MAF, ETM, panel filter, gearbox oil change, and is about to get a full engine oil change using Shell Helix and new filter, plus new plugs , and of course running on V-power.) , and not going to be pushing the car, just some "turbo" fun would be nice.
I'll contact Kalmar Union and see what they say as good to know they do a soft-loader option , and contact Deathrider.
Thanks again folks,
Steve

Those 1.6t s60 / v60 can map very well indeed as it's the same ad fired engine, iirc 230 is very achievable.

[don kalmar union]

MTE's calibrations, written in Sweden, will give you outputs of 245bhp with 420nm of torque. I can offer you a stage 2 set which will only up the outputs slightly and will need a full replacement exhaust system to support those small gains.

Today's price is £395 including VAT. As has been said you install MTE's stuff yourself using their unique Softloader device as an interface between your car's OBD port and an XP equipped laptop. Some later Windows software will do it if in compatibility mode. I loan that Softloader against a fully returnable deposit of £155.

Please do call me on 01494 785508.

Don.

[M-R-P]

I'd be scared to fit an MBC to a car because there is a risk that if it goes in to a garage for some work, there's always that one person that wants to 'have a fiddle' and they could turn it up, forget where it went and then it wrecks the engine. There should be some sort of 'key' to lock and unlock those to prevent malicious or other tampering.

Most mbcs have a locking screw on them. The tricky thing is setting them up correctly in the first place.

[M-R-P]

MTE's calibrations, written in Sweden, will give you outputs of 245bhp with 420nm of torque. I can offer you a stage 2 set which will only up the outputs slightly and will need a full replacement exhaust system to support those small gains.

Today's price is £395 including VAT. As has been said you install MTE's stuff yourself using their unique Softloader device as an interface between your car's OBD port and an XP equipped laptop. Some later Windows software will do it if in compatibility mode. I loan that Softloader against a fully returnable deposit of £155.

Please do call me on 01494 785508.

Don.

In layman's terms, a stage 2 map is a stage 1 with a better exhaust...

[Goldmember]

Interesting what's been said. I'm not technically minded to set up a MBC and have no experience with tuning these cars and definitely do not want to endanger my engine.
245bhp?! 52bhp more ..wow..That's some increase.. In-fact my insurance company won't allow that as they only allow > 25% increase and that's 27% :/ I'll phone them but think it'll be a no from them If it's a yes I'll try to give u a call this week..btw I have a laptop with Windows 7 and a basic Netbook with XP.
Thanks everyone for your contributions so far,
Steve

[JamesT5]

Interesting what's been said. I'm not technically minded to set up a MBC and have no experience with tuning these cars and definitely do not want to endanger my engine.
245bhp?! 52bhp more ..wow..That's some increase.. In-fact my insurance company won't allow that as they only allow > 25% increase and that's 27% :/ I'll phone them but think it'll be a no from them If it's a yes I'll try to give u a call this week..btw I have a laptop with Windows 7 and a basic Netbook with XP.
Thanks everyone for your contributions so far,
Steve

How are they going to know your car is mapped if you don't tell them?

[deathrider311271]

First of all dont waist your money on a remap until you really need it, these ECUs self learn to a certain extent. My choice would be to fit 16T turbo, turn the boost up on the actuator to 9psi, fit a boost guage, at the same time fit white or blue injectors. I would also fit a turbo back 3" exhaust with either 100/200 cel cat. With this lot fitted mine made 235bhp.

If you wish to go further you could go a simular route to mine with a hybrid kkk24/26/27 turbo large alloy intercooler, 3.5" maf with maf to turbo pipe to suit, larger injectors, japan manifold. Exhaust wise mine is running 3" miltek downpipe with 100 cel cat and a Scorpion 2.75" exhaust, you will need to move the oil cooler from the back of the engine and ideally fit a D5 oil cooler at the front of the engine bay (i forgot to do this). Mine made 400+bhp but spun a crank shell bearing (because i didnt move the oil cooler) These engines are a lot stronger than people think but please concider getting your liners shimmed if your going for anything above 300bhp. Any further advice please mail me

[smithy]

I know nothing so I keeping out of this