850r on dyno

**T5frankie** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:05

Originally Posted by graemewelch

who cares about numbers. get the fueling side sorted and get it dynoed again and set up if nessersary. numbers mean nothing if it dosnt deliver it nice, im not saying it dosnt by the way

trouble is graeme it feels very nice on the road, think i'll go to hlm and get it dyno'd

**stribo** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:06

Originally Posted by T5frankie

steve its only an estimation, he only goes by true whp at that dyno, he says anything else is just a calculation, i only really went for the lambda readings to see if it was ok to drive my car

So you'll have to start quoting whp, that'll please Smithy.

**graemewelch** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:07

Originally Posted by T5frankie

trouble is graeme it feels very nice on the road, think i'll go to hlm and get it dyno'd

get your self up to aet. im going there in feb to get mine dynoed again. know there stuff there to. if it feels nice on the road then your not that far away.

**T5frankie** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:07

Originally Posted by claymore

Yes it is, there is no proof that that was your result, although I'm sure it is, so which power figure are you going to be quoting now, I can't see it being 360bhp, white injectors are completely maxed out as 350bhp, yet your car is running rich.

colin i aint bothered about the guesswork 360 its the 288 thats the reading for me, i know 360 was optimistic he just added 20% drag loss, he never goes by bhp

**T5frankie** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:09

Originally Posted by stribo

So you'll have to start quoting whp, that'll please Smithy.

lol i know, ill get it on the same dyno as others to compare but it is a clipped 19t running 23 psi

**T5frankie** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:09

Originally Posted by graemewelch

get your self up to aet. im going there in feb to get mine dynoed again. know there stuff there to. if it feels nice on the road then your not that far away.

no thanks too far mate lol

**LiamT4** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:15

Originally Posted by T5frankie

stop looking at the form, its not filled in properly anywhere, who cares, work the maths out 288 + 20% +360bhp

this guy only opened for me for half hour in the end i was 1hr30mins there and he only charged me 30 quid, end of the day 288bhp at the wheels is what it read

I'm not bothered about the whole bhp/whp thing anymore, but you work out % increase differently, so 288 to 360 is 25% gain. Its 360 - 288 / 288 x 100.

As always with percentages it depends on if your working out increase or decrease.

**AndysR** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:15

Extremely rich and I bet there's more in the car with a simple custom map but so long as you're happy that's all that matters. Well done

**T5frankie** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:22

Originally Posted by LiamT4

I'm not bothered about the whole bhp/whp thing anymore, but you work out % increase differently, so 288 to 360 is 25% gain. Its 360 - 288 / 288 x 100.

As always with percentages it depends on if your working out increase or decrease.

its irrelevant as only a guess anyway

**LiamT4** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:24

Originally Posted by T5frankie

its irrelevant as only a guess anyway

That's what I said, I was just pointing out that 360 is a 25% increase from 288.

**Nealevo** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 14:47

Good figures mate,it's how it goes in real world, and I bet it flys down the road, let me know when you go HLM an ill pop down,

**T5frankie** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 15:00

Originally Posted by Nealevo

Good figures mate,it's how it goes in real world, and I bet it flys down the road, let me know when you go HLM an ill pop down,

yeah its a bit nutty lol dyno day in uxbridge in 5 weeks

**T5frankie** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 15:01

Originally Posted by AndysR

Extremely rich and I bet there's more in the car with a simple custom map but so long as you're happy that's all that matters. Well done

i really wish i could afford it mate

**S70T5Chris** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 15:01

That is pig rich Frank. Maybe even dangerously rich?

Being that rich would certainly lose a hefty amount of power. Which doesn't make a huge amount of sense, as your majorly over fueling on whites??!! I don't think whites would flow enough to get you to the kind of power quoted, let alone over fuel like that.

Running those afr's i'd be very surprised if the car doesn't bog down like a bitch, and smoke like an £££££££. I remember a few years ago Warrens 850, running a 19t and greens:- before it was tuned properly it was running afrs of low 10's and it bogged down like a ££££.

I'd definitely get it dyno'd somewhere else, so you can compare. You're not far from Marlin in Milton Keynes are you?

**T5frankie** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 15:08

Originally Posted by S70T5Chris

That is pig rich Frank. Maybe even dangerously rich?

Being that rich would certainly lose a hefty amount of power. Which doesn't make a huge amount of sense, as your majorly over fueling on whites??!! I don't think whites would flow enough to get you to the kind of power quoted, let alone over fuel like that.

Running those afr's i'd be very surprised if the car doesn't bog down like a bitch, and smoke like an £££££££. I remember a few years ago Warrens 850, running a 19t and greens:- before it was tuned properly it was running afrs of low 10's and it bogged down like a ££££.

I'd definitely get it dyno'd somewhere else, so you can compare. You're not far from Marlin in Milton Keynes are you?

i didnt like that place really mate,198whp i got there lol, it drives smootly all through the revs, i did have greens and a 3.8 bar fpr on there till last week but even then it ran smooth as silk, i have put back in refurbed whites and a 3 bar fpr, maybe the air filter was blocking air?

**LiamT4** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 15:10

Because I can't be arsed with finding out myself, what damage can be caused to the car by the engine being too rich?

Also was the engine cold? A cold engine could explain the overfueling?

**LiamT4** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 15:12

Originally Posted by T5frankie

i didnt like that place really mate,198whp i got there lol,

Yeah but the bhp seemed about right lol (seriously)

**S70T5Chris** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 15:13

Originally Posted by T5frankie

i didnt like that place really mate,198whp i got there lol, it drives smootly all through the revs, i did have greens and a 3.8 bar fpr on there till last week but even then it ran smooth as silk, i have put back in refurbed whites and a 3 bar fpr, maybe the air filter was blocking air?

Dunno mate, does seem weird that it runs as well as you say, and produced that much power on the dyno, even though it's running that rich, and on whites!

I would ££££ the air filter off and put the standard air box back on before doing another run.

**T5frankie** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 15:15

Originally Posted by LiamT4

Yeah but the bhp seemed about right lol (seriously)

i know mate i just cant understand it, some places the bhp seems right others the whp seems right

**LiamT4** · Sunday 29th December 2013, 15:16

If it was running that rich then surely you would have been able to smell it, when it was running on the dyno? Maybe just a malfunction with the diognostics?