Smoking

**Tomcat** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 19:37

My cars had a smoking habbit since the day that I got it however I never thought it was that bad...until today. Got caught in some horrendous traffic jams this morning, took over an hour to do less than a mile and then another two hours to do a journey that normaly takes around 15-20 mins tops. Whilst ticking over for so long every time I pulled forward there was a fairly bad puff of what looked to be blue smoke, and when just idling you could see it wafting away from the back of the car. Under normal conditions it doesnt smoke that bad, I get the odd puff every now and again, this morning though it was that bad it was making my daughter feel ill. I know a previous owner has allegedly refurbed the turbo but other than a few vague posts on here I have no proof of that (Though it does pull like a frikkin train), is it likely to be the seals on the turbo and not something more ominous?.. (valve stem seals....RINGS....) I've seen refurb kits on Ebay for about £50, accoring to their chart I need to get a Superback kit for my 18T, is this right?

**smithy** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 19:40

Originally Posted by Tomcat

My cars had a smoking habbit since the day that I got it however I never thought it was that bad...until today. Got caught in some horrendous traffic jams this morning, took over an hour to do less than a mile and then another two hours to do a journey that normaly takes around 15-20 mins tops. Whilst ticking over for so long every time I pulled forward there was a fairly bad puff of what looked to be blue smoke, and when just idling you could see it wafting away from the back of the car. Under normal conditions it doesnt smoke that bad, I get the odd puff every now and again, this morning though it was that bad it was making my daughter feel ill. I know a previous owner has allegedly refurbed the turbo but other than a few vague posts on here I have no proof of that (Though it does pull like a frikkin train), is it likely to be the seals on the turbo and not something more ominous?.. (valve stem seals....RINGS....) I've seen refurb kits on Ebay for about £50, accoring to their chart I need to get a Superback kit for my 18T, is this right?

Valve stem seals mate and check pcv isn't blocked too.

**Tomcat** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 19:43

PCV's been done already, no smoke from the dipstick at all. I asked at a local indy and he said he's never had to change any stem seals, it's always the turbo. Is it possible to get the stem seals replaced without taking the head off?..I know there's a way of doing it, just wondering if anyones managed to do it?

**t5 pete** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 19:49

Stems seals is a head off but my car was doing exactly the same new turbo and seals still smoking in the end all I could find was number 2 clyinder had play in it and that was with 145k rebuilt the engine and no smoke.
If you carnt afford a rebuild dont look in ur rear view mirrow any more lol

**smithson007** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 19:49

My mate tried doing his on his 850R without taking the head off and he said it was that much of a nightmare he ended up pulling the head back off. Not saying its not possible though because I have read of people doing it.

I have a nice refurbed 18t sitting here too that im looking to sell. I bought it of James t5r never got round to fitting it before I got rid of my V70R.

**T5frankie** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 19:54

valve stem seals mate i had the same issue on my saffy

**Jamest5r** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 20:29

Originally Posted by smithson007

My mate tried doing his on his 850R without taking the head off and he said it was that much of a nightmare he ended up pulling the head back off. Not saying its not possible though because I have read of people doing it.

I have a nice refurbed 18t sitting here too that im looking to sell. I bought it of James t5r never got round to fitting it before I got rid of my V70R.

Thats a dam good turbo it was fully rebuilt new core etc and just sat in my saffy which i never boosted lol

**Tomcat** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 20:45

Originally Posted by smithson007

My mate tried doing his on his 850R without taking the head off and he said it was that much of a nightmare he ended up pulling the head back off. Not saying its not possible though because I have read of people doing it.

I have a nice refurbed 18t sitting here too that im looking to sell. I bought it of James t5r never got round to fitting it before I got rid of my V70R.

I know I'll regret asking but how much?... And can someone give me an idea how much to redo the head?

**t5 pete** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 20:49

Head job
New gasket kit
New pink stuff
New timing belt
New head bolts
And possibly a light skim to the head.
Add it up dude and then depending on if you can do it ur self your saving labour costs.
P.s. get me spoiler done first

**Tomcat** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 20:56

**Sigh**... That's defo gonna have to wait... lol.. It's waited this long it can wait another few months...

As for the spoiler... Pm me your postcode and I'll see if I can bring my smokey barge upto yours one day.

**Volvostorm** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 20:56

Mine did the same as this, I had worn bores, to the tune of 30thou in the middle of them, no wonder my piston ring weren't doing much!

**Tomcat** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 21:03

Cheers, I think the first course of action then is a compression check. If the engine is worn I'll probably just buy a lower mileage one and swap it over rather than start messing about rebuilding stuff.

**Volvostorm** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 21:05

Mine was still giving 245bhp on the rollers, right before it was stripped, never did a compression check though.

**smithson007** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 21:06

Originally Posted by Tomcat

I know I'll regret asking but how much?... And can someone give me an idea how much to redo the head?

I'm looking for £200 plus delivery. That's what I paid for it off James and not looking to make anything off it. As said I was going to fit it to my car as turbo was shot but I threw the towel in on my car before I did anything about it.

**smithson007** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 21:08

Originally Posted by Jamest5r

Thats a dam good turbo it was fully rebuilt new core etc and just sat in my saffy which i never boosted lol

It seems a good turbo mate only reason it never went on the car was the list of jobs needing done on it were mounting up so got rid. I sold the exhaust on to dob off here.

**Tomcat** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 21:16

That's a great price, I'd have it but I need to make some money first as my funds are getting kinda low.

**Tomcat** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 21:26

Just out of interest, if it is the rings.. Has anyone tried any of these engine treatments? Like the Wynn's 'worn engine treatment', claims to cut down on smoking and help with compression. I dont want to use this as a way of fixing the engine because obviously if it's smoking that much because it's worn then it needs replacing... but if it will help cut the smoking down until I can afford it and have the time to swap the engine out.

**smithson007** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 21:28

Originally Posted by Tomcat

That's a great price, I'd have it but I need to make some money first as my funds are getting kinda low.

Well if you want it ill keep hold of it because its been sat her for couple months now so a while longer wont matter.

**Tomcat** · Wednesday 25th September 2013, 21:31

I might but it kinda depends on what a compression check finds.. Can I let you know after the weekend?.. If the compression's ok then I'll probably have it off you, if it's not then I'll have to try and scrape up the money for a replacement engine.