S60 ETM questions.

**LiamT4** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 19:23

As i'm looking at early s60s (2001>2003) at the minute, i'd like some extra info on the ETM issues, namely, what happens when they go wrong and how much is it to get it fixed?

The reason i'm asking, is the few i'v looked at all have the white label and therefore haven't been fixed. I just want something cheap to run for a while, so obviously don't want to get something that may need loads spending on it soon.

Cheers.

also, would an me7 c70 of the same years (2001>2003) have the same potential ETM issues?

**T5RatherAmusin** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 19:32

you may be lucky and never have a problem with one.
if one does go bad a simple resolder could fix. there is a guy that specialised in refurbin them...
failing that i think mrp had to fork out a million pounds on a new one

dont think any c70s atall had the issue

**M-R-P** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 19:58

I had to fork out on a dim dude.

Liam, most 2003 models will have the Bosch model which doesn't fail.
There is indeed a contactless conversion done by a few eBay guys for about 70 quid iirc. It is actually possible to get a new one but it needs coding and ain't cheap.
Keep looking mate, a good one will come along.

**M-R-P** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 20:00

The early me7 etm tends not to fail as often - all p1 me7 cars have marelli etm but rarely fail (except deathrider - he seems to get through them like sweeties)

**Jamest5r** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 20:01

Buy an 850

**Biff** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 20:13

Agreed on the 850, cheap as chips.

**LiamT4** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 20:20

I have not spotted one 850 t5 for sale thats decent and really i'm looking for something a bit cheaper to run anyway. The s60's seem far more refined too, just a shame that the 2.0t is sooooo slow. But i suppose they do have about 150lb/ft of torque less than what i'm used to driving lol

If i wanted an old s80, i'd be laughing.....

**merc85** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 20:46

If i wanted an old s80, i'd be laughing.....[/QUOTE]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...24el?logcode=p

**LiamT4** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 21:11

Originally Posted by merc85

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...24el?logcode=p

There's loads of old s80 t6 going cheap, problem is i don't fancy a car with a 2.9 twin turbo and an old 4spd geartronic. Sh*te on fuel and not that quick from what i'v read.

**deathrider311271** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 21:28

Originally Posted by M-R-P

The early me7 etm tends not to fail as often - all p1 me7 cars have marelli etm but rarely fail (except deathrider - he seems to get through them like sweeties)

Thanks Martin, your quite right tho lol.

As for the original question, you will get quite a few red hearings when it does go, anything from faulty throttle pedal to faulty MAF. First of all you dont need to buy new from Volvo, you can get your unit permenently repaired for approx £120, the guy who does this repair is on VOC and called SPOZNIK, he is one of the few i have genuinly never heard anything bad about. If you cant be without your car for a few days you can buy a known good second hand unit, but it will fail at some point. Im not sure if they need to be reprogramed to the S60 or not, if it does Volvo charge £75. If not like the P1 V70s then bonus.

Any further questions mail me

Simon

**LiamT4** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 21:31

Originally Posted by deathrider311271

Thanks Martin, your quite right tho lol.

As for the original question, you will get quite a few red hearings when it does go, anything from faulty throttle pedal to faulty MAF. First of all you dont need to buy new from Volvo, you can get your unit permenently repaired for approx £120, the guy who does this repair is on VOC and called SPOZNIK, he is one of the few i have genuinly never heard anything bad about. If you cant be without your car for a few days you can buy a known good second hand unit, but it will fail at some point. Im not sure if they need to be reprogramed to the S60 or not, if it does Volvo charge £75. If not like the P1 V70s then bonus.

Any further questions mail me

Simon

Cheers.

**graemewelch** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 21:41

have you ever considered a explod. im sure youll get a decent auto and a lot of motor for your money. with your budget youll prob get a facelift model thats had most of the issues ironed out

**LiamT4** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 21:47

Originally Posted by graemewelch

have you ever considered a explod. im sure youll get a decent auto and a lot of motor for your money. with your budget youll prob get a facelift model thats had most of the issues ironed out

I'm using autotrader, pistonheads, ebay and a few local things mainly. I didn't think it would be this difficult to find a decent cheap car, but i'm coming to the conclusion though, that my criteria for a decent car is higher than most sellers.

**T5REU** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 21:48

I would think that most of them would have been repaired or replaced by now as was an issue on the 2001 s60. Was on watch dog years ago about the issue. Volvo did a software update to some years later to help solve the problem. The problem, if there was going green to be one would have raised its head a long time ago on the pre facelift cars I would have thought. SolutionsThere are a number of possible solutions:
the Electronic Throttle Module can be cleaned and refitted
the Electronic Throttle Module can be replaced by a new on
the Electronic Throttle System can receive a software upgrade:
From April 2006 a software upgrade will be available for affected cars to improve the performance of the ETS. This software will be progressively available over a few months, due to the number of different ETS/engine combinations.
Volvo Car UK will continue to review individual cases, taking into account the age of vehicle, mileage and service history, as they are brought to the Company's attention. In 2005 Volvo's UK Customer Relations team dealt sympathetically and helped some 50 customers who had experienced ETS problems. No accidents were reported in any of these cases.

**deathrider311271** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 22:13

Originally Posted by T5REU

I would think that most of them would have been repaired or replaced by now as was an issue on the 2001 s60. Was on watch dog years ago about the issue. Volvo did a software update to some years later to help solve the problem. The problem, if there was going green to be one would have raised its head a long time ago on the pre facelift cars I would have thought. SolutionsThere are a number of possible solutions:
the Electronic Throttle Module can be cleaned and refitted
the Electronic Throttle Module can be replaced by a new on
the Electronic Throttle System can receive a software upgrade:
From April 2006 a software upgrade will be available for affected cars to improve the performance of the ETS. This software will be progressively available over a few months, due to the number of different ETS/engine combinations.
Volvo Car UK will continue to review individual cases, taking into account the age of vehicle, mileage and service history, as they are brought to the Company's attention. In 2005 Volvo's UK Customer Relations team dealt sympathetically and helped some 50 customers who had experienced ETS problems. No accidents were reported in any of these cases.

none of this sorted the problem mate, it just prolonged the period until it failed. Im assuming you have something to do with Volvo for spouting this load of rubbish. As for no accidents please prove this statement.

I can 99.9% guarantee it did cause at least 1 accident as myself came within a cats whisker of being wiped out due directly to this dangerious issue.

**T5RatherAmusin** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 22:17

Originally Posted by M-R-P

I had to fork out on a dim dude.

Liam, most 2003 models will have the Bosch model which doesn't fail.
There is indeed a contactless conversion done by a few eBay guys for about 70 quid iirc. It is actually possible to get a new one but it needs coding and ain't cheap.
Keep looking mate, a good one will come along.

hahahaha just reread this thread. ignore my first comment lol
nothing to do with etms

**LiamT4** · Saturday 10th August 2013, 22:31

Originally Posted by deathrider311271

none of this sorted the problem mate, it just prolonged the period until it failed. Im assuming you have something to do with Volvo for spouting this load of rubbish. As for no accidents please prove this statement.

I can 99.9% guarantee it did cause at least 1 accident as myself came within a cats whisker of being wiped out due directly to this dangerious issue.

I think he's just "copied and paste" a volvo press release, not actually working for them.

**T5REU** · Sunday 11th August 2013, 18:16

God how serious people get on here lol was just a copy paste of a Web page. I'm sure it's caused loads of accidents but getting them to own up will never happen . I don't work for volvo. I've driven a lot of volvo t5 throughout the last 15 years at work, in fact done average of 150 miles every day I'm at work, but I don't work for volvo and yes I've come across this issue once with the first lot of t5's we had delivered.