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    Cool 4.4 ecu free tuning???

    I've been doing a lot of reading as of late about remaps & ecu compatability. I've heard of turbo tuner & guess its for pre obd2 cars but just wondering if anyone has used any of the tools surrounding a vag-com wire.
    There seems to be a few theads on volvospeed & other forums & it does make some sense although I wouldn't trust myself to make a map, I would trust myself to "flash" a map. Most of the maps I've seen are to the same spec as mine for manual t5's but for the £20 or so for the lead & links to software it does seem good... But too good to be true?
    Seems its pretty popular with the techno geek yanks but I can find very limited info in this country. Guess this is why HLM maps are cheap (£150) on pre me7 cars?
    I await your comments, info & suggestions kind sirs.....
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    Here's the link to what I've seen;
    http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/topic...uning-for-m44/
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    The problem with M4.4 is different ecus have different map locations, though it's easy enough to compare two maps in WinOLS to find the

    You can use Motronic Suite to a greater effect (as more of the maps are listed in the program) but it can't flash M4.4 it can only do M4.3 and further development of motronic suite has stopped at the moment. So you could use motronic suite to edit the maps and flash them with the flasher tool in that thread.

    Once you get into it finding the maps is really easy. The hard part is editing them to get the best results, which is what you pay for from an ECU tuner. Though I would have thought that after 16 years the price of a map would be a lot cheaper considering its just 64kb or 128kb of data :/

    If you look really deep you can find the maps

    And you can get turbo tuner for 4.3 or 4.4 cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bomb192uk View Post
    The problem with M4.4 is different ecus have different map locations, though it's easy enough to compare two maps in WinOLS to find the

    You can use Motronic Suite to a greater effect (as more of the maps are listed in the program) but it can't flash M4.4 it can only do M4.3 and further development of motronic suite has stopped at the moment. So you could use motronic suite to edit the maps and flash them with the flasher tool in that thread.

    Once you get into it finding the maps is really easy. The hard part is editing them to get the best results, which is what you pay for from an ECU tuner. Though I would have thought that after 16 years the price of a map would be a lot cheaper considering its just 64kb or 128kb of data :/
    Cheers for that mate, I thought to myself it wasn't really a lot of data but guess your paying for the tried & tested route.
    I understood what was said about advancing the timing etc & the codes but its a load of numbers that could be very hit & miss. Lol
    I have had it mentioned about putting an older ecu on it & it being cheaper by a lad who knows his stuff. I'll certainly be speaking to him about it.
    It would be a damn site cheaper than having a different custom map after big mods as I plan in due course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff View Post
    Cheers for that mate, I thought to myself it wasn't really a lot of data but guess your paying for the tried & tested route.
    I understood what was said about advancing the timing etc & the codes but its a load of numbers that could be very hit & miss. Lol
    I have had it mentioned about putting an older ecu on it & it being cheaper by a lad who knows his stuff. I'll certainly be speaking to him about it.
    It would be a damn site cheaper than having a different custom map after big mods as I plan in due course.
    You would have to do your own maps with turbo tuner anyway, starting with a base map and changing to suit, so the DIY route is essentially the same (except with TT you can change maps on the fly). The other way is with the Ostrich emulator and Tunerpro (as said on the Volvospeed website) but again you have to risk your own mapping skills.
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    Don't think they will be my mapping skills! Lol
    We have a local company called BD performance who specialize in focus st & rs. They have a really good reputation with tuning the fords & when I spoke to Darren he mentioned it as did Shem from Shemtek racing in Nottingham.
    I'll speak to Darren & see if he fancies a crack, it could be done on the rolling road to.
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    there are loads of words in the link there that I don't understand. I've done some programming before in BASIC and such but that looks like rocket science. Will take a few cups of tea and maybe even some chocolate biscuits this one.

    I was wondering that also: after I get the ECU flashed with a 'known' map, what comes next......especially if something falls off and I want to make it better

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    liking the idea of flashing your own map, as this could be the final answer in my v70r awd (p1 ph3) manual conversion, how could I read of the existing data on the existing ecu and would it be in an understandable format or just a jumble of hex or the like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomb192uk View Post
    The problem with M4.4 is different ecus have different map locations, though it's easy enough to compare two maps in WinOLS to find the

    You can use Motronic Suite to a greater effect (as more of the maps are listed in the program) but it can't flash M4.4 it can only do M4.3 and further development of motronic suite has stopped at the moment. So you could use motronic suite to edit the maps and flash them with the flasher tool in that thread.

    Once you get into it finding the maps is really easy. The hard part is editing them to get the best results, which is what you pay for from an ECU tuner. Though I would have thought that after 16 years the price of a map would be a lot cheaper considering its just 64kb or 128kb of data :/

    If you look really deep you can find the maps

    And you can get turbo tuner for 4.3 or 4.4 cars.
    You can flash M4.4, just not READ both memory banks mate, they went from 64 to 128k from the M4.3

    You'd all be MAD to buy turbo tuner whilst this is free. Stage one on these cars is simple enough just up the boost map is basically what most tuners do for a stage 1.

    I've posted the damos files for m4.4 on T5D5 and there is an XDF file on the Volvospeed forum, with time and a bit of reading and a £5 eBay cable you'll be sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream3r View Post
    You can flash M4.4, just not READ both memory banks mate, they went from 64 to 128k from the M4.3

    You'd all be MAD to buy turbo tuner whilst this is free. Stage one on these cars is simple enough just up the boost map is basically what most tuners do for a stage 1.

    I've posted the damos files for m4.4 on T5D5 and there is an XDF file on the Volvospeed forum, with time and a bit of reading and a £5 eBay cable you'll be sorted.

    Me7 is next then ME9.
    I thought I'd got my wires crossed, I knew I'd seen a file for the 4.4! Next on the list is a laptop! Lol
    It was on Volvo speed & t5d5 I read it. Be great to do a spot of mapping on mine if you reckon it's simple. Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoleT5-R View Post
    liking the idea of flashing your own map, as this could be the final answer in my v70r awd (p1 ph3) manual conversion, how could I read of the existing data on the existing ecu and would it be in an understandable format or just a jumble of hex or the like?
    I see your point, save going through the hassle of a manual loom get a manual map?
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    It's very simple for a stage 1 or 2 map. You need a wideband to go nuts though.

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    I'll help anyone tune there ME4.4 cars, time providing, as long as the tune is open source after.

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    I'm unfamiliar with the various stages but I'd like to see 280-290bhp eventually when the awd is fixed. I'm very interested but need me a home computer of some type to open the files for a browse.
    Fair play to you for sitting down & working through this. The more I've read the more it appeals to me.
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    The stages, I mean just a remap or a remap with exhaust. Those are simple enough for the hobbyist to have a crack at.

    I seen a tune recently that had one map changed, and was from a pro tuner, so it made me wonder about the rest.

    This was a supposed stage 3 map, and I tweaked it for the owner as the boost was building too fast. Some stage 3 file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff View Post
    The more I've read the more it appeals to me.
    and me....one of the main reasons for getting a 70-series car was more scope for $$$$ing about with ECUs. One of the 400-series gurus did a couple of ECUs for me and that was the start of it.

    I'm waiting for delivery of a TME ECU which is supposed to be good for 420 Nm. That is the same as a stage 3 MTE map I think.

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    That is about as good as it gets on my motor without changing injectors/turbo/cams/etc....? If I am wrong shoot me down pls

    Found some more info below....

    http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/topic...c-44-overview/

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    that is expensive!

    http://shop.mte.se/product.asp?product=87

    MTE stage 3 says 430 Nm...close enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesy12345 View Post
    and me....one of the main reasons for getting a 70-series car was more scope for $$$$ing about with ECUs. One of the 400-series gurus did a couple of ECUs for me and that was the start of it.

    I'm waiting for delivery of a TME ECU which is supposed to be good for 420 Nm. That is the same as a stage 3 MTE map I think.

    Attachment 21936

    That is about as good as it gets on my motor without changing injectors/turbo/cams/etc....? If I am wrong shoot me down pls

    Found some more info below....

    http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/topic...c-44-overview/
    You won't be able to read your eeprom without desoldering it on m4.4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream3r View Post
    You won't be able to read your eeprom without desoldering it on m4.4.
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