T5 problems continue...

[graemewelch]

i bet this thread is still going on in a months time. id rather parts with £50 and enjoy my weekend.

[graemewelch]

so give us the heads up. what yous going to test, the coils? cant see what else you can do woth out swaping parts. but i wouldnt recoment this as neither are running right.

[Jamest5r]

Ok guys,

I take your point onboard.

James is going to help me this weekend have a look over the car and we are going to just rule a few things out - plugs/coils etc which can't possibly hurt can it?

Following this, if I am non the wiser I will try and get it to somewhere with Volvo software.

Are HLM good? I am about 20-30 miles from there. I am closer to GRN I suppose. In all honesty I am unsure it will make it to the bottom of my road in current running condition. May need towing there OR someone mobile with VIDA. Any suggestions?

Thanks

Chad (GRN) only lives around the corner from me mate so only about 5 miles? if you ask him nicely im sure he would at least read your codes for you

[V70 Graham]

I can see both sides, Graeme is simply stating (correctly imho) that a trip to a Volvo specialist, and a few quid spent on diagnostics would pinpoint the problem(s) and James is adamant that he wants to try as much as he can himself and rule out things as he goes along without spending too much money.

At the end of the day it's James who has to decide, though there is nothing wrong with us all giving our opinions.

[jardon]

Have either of you sought the help of T5D5 and VOC on this issue - I'd recommend canvassing a wider audience as this is a small community and lots of the members on the other forums don't read/post on this one.

[M-R-P]

So if Ed and I actually find the fault on Saturday then I can see this thread going very quiet and a few people here walking about the forum with egg on their face. We'll see what we find on Saturday!

You're wrong mate. If you guys sort the problems with at least on of the cars we'll all be behind you.

Yes Harvey, from you I don't doubt that for a minute but it just seems some people here think that paying out for a VIDA session is the only option and it's the magic solution. Personally I think it should be used as a last resort after all the other options have been exhausted. I also feel like some comments to this thread are people wishing failure on others who are offering practical help to fellow members, I'm not saying that's peoples intentions but this is how it comes across.
Anyway, I look forward to Saturday!

You're looking at our opinions the wrong way mate. As a collective of people, we have a fair bit of knowledge on the subject.
Here's what we know...
You both have very similar issues with your engines. Both your engines are the same age and high mileage. You both have a Marelli ETM. You both did something relating to the ETM that could possibly need a software update. You both have exhausted pretty much all obvious courses of action. I personally believe there's nothing left but to bite the bullet and get it checked as there's nothing you can do with a spanner that'll change things, unless, by some freak of fate, you both have a cracked boost pipe (or similar) and haven't noticed it.

Nobody wants you to fail guys, the "tortch the thing" comments are meant as a bit of banter, as always. you've gotta laugh or you'll cry - trust me . We all want to see another volvo (or two) kept on the roads.

[silverhorse]

Good luck James and Ed! Hope you get to the bottom of the problem on Saturday. Keep us posted..........

[mr shifter]

Yep, good luck guys. If you happen to find the fault then thats all good. Plus its additional knowledge and info which could help others in the future.

[jdavis]

Good luck guys. I reckon you've got an air leak somewhere personally.

[V70 Graham]

Fingers crossed for tomorrow guys.

[Harvey]

Any news yet ?

[Leeds_finest]

http://www.cardiag.co.uk/volvo-vida-...c-tool-56.html

That and Tim Williams are my recommendations. My DiCE has paid for itself many times over and I haven't §§§§ed anything up badly enough that Tim can't fix it. DiCE will log codes in all modules and live log all sensors. I would never be without it and you are §§§§ing in the wind without proper diagnostic kit on OBD2 vehicles. Good luck with it whatever you choose to do - I won't offer advice on this specific issue as without some datalogging/codes any suggestion is speculation at best.

I did have the exact same thing - but flogged it when I got rid of my S60

I think for the fact that I can probablynot interpret data as well as a professional, it may be a trip to the specialists.

Chad (GRN) only lives around the corner from me mate so only about 5 miles? if you ask him nicely im sure he would at least read your codes for you

Yes i'll have to pop down there - may need trailering though - they're by Euro and GSF aren't they.

I can see both sides, Graeme is simply stating (correctly imho) that a trip to a Volvo specialist, and a few quid spent on diagnostics would pinpoint the problem(s) and James is adamant that he wants to try as much as he can himself and rule out things as he goes along without spending too much money.

At the end of the day it's James who has to decide, though there is nothing wrong with us all giving our opinions.

Totally agree, Graeme is saying don't waste time when a proper diagnostic will tell you straight away. James is saying at least try practical things first as we have all had the moment when a fuse has gone, or a plugs come undone, or a clip has come off etc - both are valid points.

Have either of you sought the help of T5D5 and VOC on this issue - I'd recommend canvassing a wider audience as this is a small community and lots of the members on the other forums don't read/post on this one.

Admittedly no, I will have to sign up on there and post up, see if they can help more.

You're wrong mate. If you guys sort the problems with at least on of the cars we'll all be behind you.


You're looking at our opinions the wrong way mate. As a collective of people, we have a fair bit of knowledge on the subject.
Here's what we know...
You both have very similar issues with your engines. Both your engines are the same age and high mileage. You both have a Marelli ETM. You both did something relating to the ETM that could possibly need a software update. You both have exhausted pretty much all obvious courses of action. I personally believe there's nothing left but to bite the bullet and get it checked as there's nothing you can do with a spanner that'll change things, unless, by some freak of fate, you both have a cracked boost pipe (or similar) and haven't noticed it.

Nobody wants you to fail guys, the "tortch the thing" comments are meant as a bit of banter, as always. you've gotta laugh or you'll cry - trust me . We all want to see another volvo (or two) kept on the roads.

Agreed other than my problems started at 98k and currently on 100k - I don't consider that high mileage compared to some but I see your point everything has been ruled out now but it was worth it just in case it was something simple

Good luck James and Ed! Hope you get to the bottom of the problem on Saturday. Keep us posted..........

Yep, good luck guys. If you happen to find the fault then thats all good. Plus its additional knowledge and info which could help others in the future.

Good luck guys. I reckon you've got an air leak somewhere personally.

Fingers crossed for tomorrow guys.

Thanks all.


UPDATE:

The overall outcome of yesterday afternoon is that the car is not fixed.

However, we did manage to rule out a fair few bits which, in my eyes, made the time spent on the car worthwhile...


1. Tested all coil packs with spare units.

2. Swapped ETM's. This is the interesting part as my car started and ran with James ETM and therefore would suggest that these units do not need any kind of re-flash or reload. Albeit the running problem remained, so we can probably rule the ETM out as being the issue, as my car behaved this way prior to my ETM overhaul, after my ETM overhaul and with James ETM too... but it started and drove which possibly puts that point to rest.

3. Swapped MAF's. Wow, those anti tamper screws, I really love those things anyway, swapped them over and no change.

4. Swapped one of the air sensors from the intercooler to throttle body pipe - admittedly it would've been a better idea to swap James whole pipe onto my car but this is in hindsight. One thing we noticed was, the sensor pulled out of my boost pipe very easily, almost too easily, but James removed his with great trouble (as you would imagine for a sensor that's meant to be air tight). Anyway, fitted this and gave it a good bit of movement while the engine was running but it didn't really make any difference at all.

5. Got part of the way to swapping the valve/solenoid/sensor that is attached to the side of the airbox. Sadly, beaten by the smell of steak and chips on the dinner table (red wine sauce, mushrooms, garlic bread). So we didn't manage to get this swapped over although was interesting to have a mess with those vac pipes and it seems they are a bit worn but no splits or cracks - I don't think anyway?!


Across the whole of our test the car threw no fault codes. Great. To add insult to inury, after the day was over I reversed my car off the driveway to let James off and as I took the car down the road opposite my house, gave it 'WOT' and the car took off like a rocket. There was me thinking 'wow maybe something has fixed itself'... spun the car round and drove back and it began to splutter again, pulled onto the driveway and it cut out. So we know it's intermittent which probably doesn't help matters. When we test drove the car throughout the day, James said it felt like some kind of boost problem as at times it seems to pull then it stutters... pulls... stutters and feels very on/off when driven. Air leak? Who knows!

Massive thanks to JamesT5 who cam two hours from Wales to West Mids to help me out. He's a good person to know.

I think I've reached the end of the line for what I can do and the time I can spend on the car. With running my own business and currently house hunting, I haven't got the time or energy to be bent over with my head stuck inside the engine bay. So it's off to a Volvo specialist maybe this week or next...

...all I know is it needs sorting out quickly, my work van doesn't have heated seats!


Thanks Ed

[jardon]

Good effort chaps.

[M-R-P]

Saw a friend of a friend yesterday. He has a MY 2000 V70 2.4 N/A. His etm played up and he sourced a brand new remanufactured marelli unit, fitted it and it cured the erratic idle, mostly, but it ran like a bag of $h1te. He had a software update from the local stealer and hey-presto car runs perfect.

That's confirmation if you needed it.

[graemewelch]

just a thought but have you tried doing a continuity test on the coil pack wiring. its could be a break in a wire and its moving about. well done for trying and admiting defeat not allways easy to do. fault finding isnt as easy as people think. look forward to hearing its fixed soon and was sumit realy silly

[Leeds_finest]

Saw a friend of a friend yesterday. He has a MY 2000 V70 2.4 N/A. His etm played up and he sourced a brand new remanufactured marelli unit, fitted it and it cured the erratic idle, mostly, but it ran like a bag of $h1te. He had a software update from the local stealer and hey-presto car runs perfect.

That's confirmation if you needed it.

Hmmmm that could possibly be what I need then! The throttle body overhaul did seem to stop the cutting out on idle - but still runs like turd as you say.

Interesting to know what his actual symptoms were prior to him replacing the TB.

[Leeds_finest]

just a thought but have you tried doing a continuity test on the coil pack wiring. its could be a break in a wire and its moving about. well done for trying and admiting defeat not allways easy to do. fault finding isnt as easy as people think. look forward to hearing its fixed soon and was sumit realy silly

So would that be pulling the plug connectors off each one and sticking a multimeter across the pins? Are there three pins per plug or two I can't remember? Well worth a try though and we didn't check that yesterday.

Agreed - it's not easy and there was some car cursing when we were refitting ETM's but was worth ruling a few things out and yes hopefully nothing too hard to fix (will take to GRN or HLM soon).

[M-R-P]

Hmmmm that could possibly be what I need then! The throttle body overhaul did seem to stop the cutting out on idle - but still runs like turd as you say.

Interesting to know what his actual symptoms were prior to him replacing the TB.

Rough idle, stalling, wouldn't rev properly, major flat spots at 2k rpm, wouldn't go past 3k rpm and no eml.

It's the first time I've seen him in ages or I'd have added to this thread sooner as it seems to confirm the P2 etm theory.

[graemewelch]

well there yous have it fellas. looks like mrp has hit nail on the head

[Leeds_finest]

Ok and was it an ETM reload or a complete software update... Or are they part of the same thing?

Cheers