T5 problems continue...

**jardon** · Wednesday 26th June 2013, 14:01

Originally Posted by Leeds_finest

I know mate I had the VIDA/dice but sold it and didn't think I would need to reinvest.

Just out of interest which throttle body does yours have? The original one?

A DiCE will also read and record live data. My car had the later 2002- Bosch ETM which CAN be replaced without Volvo making any software alterations. They are not prone to failure though I did "§§§§ in the wind" by changing it on a hunch for a 2008 unit and it made no difference.

My signature should now read "Bog standard 2005 D5". Must change that soon.

**Leeds_finest** · Wednesday 26th June 2013, 14:36

So if an ETM plays up on an early P2 your advice is to go Bosch?

Due in tomorrow 12pm we will hopefully find the fault.

**V70 Graham** · Wednesday 26th June 2013, 14:40

Originally Posted by Leeds_finest

Due in tomorrow 12pm we will hopefully find the fault.

If its plugged in at 1200 you should have a good idea by 1215

**silverhorse** · Wednesday 26th June 2013, 14:47

Originally Posted by Leeds_finest

If it is the case that VIDA can pick up codes that a generic code reader can't and can in fact pick up codes that don't show an EML then I have got the wrong end of the stick.

I was under the impression that VIDA picks up on the codes just as a normal code reader does

The difference between ViDA and even the best generic readers is like night and day. I bet when you get plugged in, there will be a few things waiting for you. ViDA uses a traffic light system. Green fault is info only. Yellow and you should maybe get on the case. Red, it needs doing fairly sharpish.
Interestingly, in some cases even a red warning may not put EML on.
I am running around with a couple of yellows and a green.
As LeeT5 has said, techies nowadays plug the car in as a matter of course and go from there according to what the screen says, not what the customer says.

You and James have done some sterling work over the past few weeks, good effort all round. BUT, I think the time has come to go to a dealer or an indie. They probably see Volvo's with your symptoms every week and will know instantly what needs doing. If nothing else, it sounds like you both had a good poke around the cars on saturday and had a nice steak dinner, but ultimately you are both still at square one!!

In a weird sort of way, I hope when you do get plugged in there are some serious codes, as at least then you and James will be able to see whats what. I don't mean that in a nasty way, but it will put the matter to rest.

May I suggest too that your next post on this subject is one saying that it is all fixed and you are on the road again!!

**jardon** · Wednesday 26th June 2013, 14:55

Originally Posted by Leeds_finest

So if an ETM plays up on an early P2 your advice is to go Bosch?

Due in tomorrow 12pm we will hopefully find the fault.

Sadly they are not interchangeable so no. The Bosch unit is "dumb" and does no processing but the MM unit does - hence the software issues,

**LeeT5** · Wednesday 26th June 2013, 17:52

Originally Posted by V70 Graham

If its plugged in at 1200 you should have a good idea by 1215

precisely!

**Santa** · Wednesday 26th June 2013, 19:34

Just read through this thread. At least its balanced but I think maybe some have taken things a bit personally.

Really its all down to "Each to their own".

Many who have commented on the thread have put their views across respectfully and should be commended in doing so. Everyone's different and some people will want a car or problem fixed ASAP, others will want to have a tinker and can take their time, maybe even learn something. Others have experienced a similar issue before and have the benefits of that experience to impart.

Anyway chill, its a forum, it's supposed to be a place where (sometimes differing) views and ideas are exchanged

**V70 Graham** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 10:07

Today's the day, looking forward to seeing what shows up on the diagnostic scan.

**Leeds_finest** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 20:00

Right then:

Car went to my local dealers today. They plugged it into VIDA and there was a lambda and TPS code which were both OLD codes. These were cleared and the ECM/ETM reload was carried out.

Sadly, the car still runs poorly and the codes did not reappear either. The technician said if he had to put his money on a fault, it would be the throttle body still (but that was a stab in the dark and there's no clear answer like we were all hoping for).

MOVING ON AND PUTTING OUR DIFFERENCES ASIDE...

I see my options as:

1. £300 for a Volvo throttle body and reload. If this doesn't fix the problem, surely I won't have to foot the bill?

2. Try and send my throttle body back to the person who did the TPS repair and get it looked at.

3. Seek other knowledge/advice and assume that the throttle body repair and reload has worked fine and in fact the problem is not this at all.

I welcome any advice from any VPC members that still wish to help.

Many thanks

**claymore** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 20:27

That's a §§§§§§, out of interest, during all your diagnostics, did you check the throttle switch as Martin suggested?

**Leeds_finest** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 20:34

The switch on the pedal itself? No I haven't checked it but I can if one of you guys walks me through it...

...or if its self explanatory ill have a prod at the weekend?!

Thanks

**JamesT5** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 21:47

So here we are then, the 'magical fix' that is Vida has done jack all. Perhaps Ed, you and I did better than we thought!

**graemewelch** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 22:02

my money is on a faulty part been fitted. if vida hasnt done it then yous never stood a chance. did they take it for a decent drive befor trying to read codes again. my local specialist didnt charge me last time read codes cause couldnt fix it was spot on with diagnosis. was it a dealer you went to or specialist. some dealers realy dont have a clue and other are genuine clever people like mrg hlm and several others. dont give up but at same time be sensible and dont throw money at it. has the car had a compression check done. if not id one. id send you.mine but im stuck.in bed

**claymore** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 22:09

Originally Posted by JamesT5

So here we are then, the 'magical fix' that is Vida has done jack all. Perhaps Ed, you and I did better than we thought!

James, I think you were secretly hoping that vida wouldn't turn up anything, so that you could vindicate yourself, just remember you didn't fix the problem either, so stop gloating.

**JamesT5** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 22:14

Originally Posted by claymore

James, I think you were secretly hoping that vida wouldn't turn up anything, so that you could vindicate yourself, just remember you didn't fix the problem either, so stop gloating.

Not at all, it just proves Vida isn't the be all and end all.

**V70 Graham** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 22:22

Bit of a bummer that there is no definitive answer.

**Leeds_finest** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 22:38

Faulty throttle body repair Graeme? Quite possibly although Jez's repair by same person seems ok but could be yes. I'm not sure if it was driven again as I wasn't present but I doubt it was mate.

I was genuinely hoping it WOULD fix the car as I want to use it again!! I could take it to MRG although they're a bit far from here... Maybe Pye Volvo next

**Leeds_finest** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 22:39

Originally Posted by claymore

That's a §§§§§§, out of interest, during all your diagnostics, did you check the throttle switch as Martin suggested?

As above, is it easy to test and is it situated behind the pedal? Is it easy to find?

Thanks

**graemewelch** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 23:25

Originally Posted by Leeds_finest

Faulty throttle body repair Graeme? Quite possibly although Jez's repair by same person seems ok but could be yes. I'm not sure if it was driven again as I wasn't present but I doubt it was mate.

I was genuinely hoping it WOULD fix the car as I want to use it again!! I could take it to MRG although they're a bit far from here... Maybe Pye Volvo next

yes it could be possible. did they give you any discount saying as they never gave you a answer. idealy they should of took it out. i alway write down my milage if i use a garage which is getting more and more often. im back home sat if want yo do a compression check. i can happily talk you through it. its def worth speaking to t5lee. he has a dantastic amount of knolodge when it comes to this kind of problem. not only is he a breakdown guy hut hes a volvo enthusiast and perfectionist. did you say were you close to hlm. might be worth a xall yo hamish. he will be ablevto do a rolling road run and read the live date. i also beleve shark performance have all the latest software to and very very good knolidge of volvos. excuse my spelling. its on a mobile and im full of morphine

**Leeds_finest** · Thursday 27th June 2013, 23:30

Originally Posted by graemewelch

yes it could be possible. did they give you any discount saying as they never gave you a answer. idealy they should of took it out. i alway write down my milage if i use a garage which is getting more and more often. im back home sat if want yo do a compression check. i can happily talk you through it. its def worth speaking to t5lee. he has a dantastic amount of knolodge when it comes to this kind of problem. not only is he a breakdown guy hut hes a volvo enthusiast and perfectionist. did you say were you close to hlm. might be worth a xall yo hamish. he will be ablevto do a rolling road run and read the live date. i also beleve shark performance have all the latest software to and very very good knolidge of volvos. excuse my spelling. its on a mobile and im full of morphine

Yes mate they discounted from a full hours labour down to 2/3 hours labour as fault was not found - seemed fair to me.

Yes HLM not too far could always call them and see what they say??