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Jardon is Jedi level at tuning so I believe whatever he says!
WI is useful on higher custom tunes... but just not really necessary on regular bolt ons and remaps - especially if you live in Scotland !
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This is the kit Tim recommended.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AEM-WATER-...item45f17854e3
2005 S60 T5 - Remapped 321BHP
FMIC - Front mounted intercooler
IAT - Intake air temperature
FFS - for **** sake :p
WOT - Wide open throttle
2005 S60 T5 - Remapped 321BHP
craigoodwood (Wednesday 23rd May 2012)
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craigoodwood (Wednesday 23rd May 2012)
Hi Matt,
The sole function of water injection is avoiding detonation and you will not be getting any detonation as the ECM reacts to the high intake temperatures caused by the limitations of the standard Intercooler. I would save your money and spend it on a decent uprated Intercooler.
Regards,
Hamish.
merc85 (Wednesday 23rd May 2012)
Or Put a Holset turbo on it ?
BSR stage 3, BSR Stainless Exhaust, Vibratechnics gearbox Mount, OZ 17" Superturismo Alloys, Bell FMIC, LED Side lights, LED interior Lights, Tinted Windows, Eibach Sports Springs, K&N Air Intake, 3" Sports Cat and Downpipe, Debadged, EST Strut Brace, EST Grille, Black Moose Stickers, Bilstein B8 Dampers, Fully Polybushed, CC3 all round, CF Wingmirrors
Release the Monkey inside of you >>> Trunk Monkey
BSR stage 3, BSR Stainless Exhaust, Vibratechnics gearbox Mount, OZ 17" Superturismo Alloys, Bell FMIC, LED Side lights, LED interior Lights, Tinted Windows, Eibach Sports Springs, K&N Air Intake, 3" Sports Cat and Downpipe, Debadged, EST Strut Brace, EST Grille, Black Moose Stickers, Bilstein B8 Dampers, Fully Polybushed, CC3 all round, CF Wingmirrors
Release the Monkey inside of you >>> Trunk Monkey
BSR stage 3, BSR Stainless Exhaust, Vibratechnics gearbox Mount, OZ 17" Superturismo Alloys, Bell FMIC, LED Side lights, LED interior Lights, Tinted Windows, Eibach Sports Springs, K&N Air Intake, 3" Sports Cat and Downpipe, Debadged, EST Strut Brace, EST Grille, Black Moose Stickers, Bilstein B8 Dampers, Fully Polybushed, CC3 all round, CF Wingmirrors
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mitchyboy01 (Thursday 24th May 2012)
Aha.. the plot thickens !
What went wrong with it ?
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I'm so not!!! - more like an annoying C3P0 I suspect. Though there is something mystical about the good and dark side of the force with this WMI business isn't there? I agree that if Matt has plans for the car he should bank on fitting an uprated intercooler.
However, for now isn't there some mileage in fitting in fitting a kit to squirt a small quantity of water/methanol to avoid that situation? His ECM will react well before detonation but in doing so some performance edge is lost.
I see Hamish's point about there not being a requirement for engine safety but in terms of retaining power there will be a "gain" - provided we use the less is more rule and don't overdo the volume of W/M.
I'm talking about M:W 50:50 triggering at ~10-12 psi so only active when approaching full load and ~200cc/min. This would be enough to significantly influence intake temperatures and at <10% of WOT fuelling it shouldn't cause rich misfire.
In the event of the latter I would run a smaller jet or a methanol rich mixture eg: M:W 70:30 that taxes the spark less. That's how it worked for me anyway.
We could discuss "necessary" all day long - it depends on the car and what the user wants. If IAT's are not high at WOT then don't bother. If you drive like a granny then don't bother. Matt sounds like he will be driving in a manner that gets gets the car into an "ECM intervenes for safety" situation so perhaps necessary applies if he wants to make the most of his set up.
I'm not saying WMI is a better option than an intercooler - just another choice to consider. If I was Matt and had £1000 lying about I would probably go with the intercooler as it's fit and forget with improved flow - then look at how the car performs. If I was going to track it I would add the intercooler and WMI as a means of taking some heat out of the high load/high rpm equation.
2005 (163) V70 D5 SE Premium Pack 130k. 10" sub/Fli amp with Grom audio kit. Shark stage 1 with EGR delete and 320mm discs. Enjoying the comfort and (relative) economy.
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