T4, But which one???

[lozccw]

Ok, since my MOT (where it barely scraped through with a £20 plate bodged over some rust) I have been and enquired about having the body repaired.
It turns out that for the cost of the body repairs added to the fact that I already have a clicking driveshaft and noisy tappets to repair, I could just go out and buy myself a T4... So thats exactly what I'm going to do!

The only problem is I can't decide whether to get another V40, or change for an S40?
Is there any noticable difference in performance/mpg etc? (I'm looking specifically at the phase1)
The load capacity difference isn't an issue as I never normally go over the load cover, And I have roof bars just incase.

[T5frankie]

get a t5 mate

[lozccw]

lol I thought about that, But I have already spent too much money on stuff for my '40 to not get another and switch it all over!

[Kingsford G]

No diff really on fuel and perfo.Only buy 1.9 one as 2.0 t4s not as good.

[lozccw]

No diff really on fuel and perfo.Only buy 1.9 one as 2.0 t4s not as good.

Thats part of the reason for wanting specifically a phase1 with the 1855cc engine.
The other reason is that some of the parts that I have and want to re-use are also for a phase1

[mitchyboy01]

Hi mate. I've had both and it's just personal preference on the looks and space. All the running gear is the same. Get a 1.9 as these are a stronger block if you want to go mad with the tuning.

[LiamT4]

Don't forget about the "phase 1.5", which is what i had. It was a 2000 "x" with all the updated interior, front, suspension, etc, but still had the stronger 1855cc engine

Ignore all this "get a t5" rubbish, they just don't want people to get t4s because they're cheaper to run AND faster.

[mitchyboy01]

Ignore all this "get a t5" rubbish, they just don't want people to get t4s because they're cheaper to run AND faster



too true haha

[Dave86]

I have to agree with frankie and say get a t5. I really don't like my v40 t4 compared to the c70 t5 i had before it feels cheaply made like its been thrown together, its slower and feels unstable at speed. i can't wait til I've got the money together for my next car so i can get rid of it.
Although it is better on fuel than the t5.
But each to their own, this is just my opinion.

[960kg]

I agree with Dave 86 above , i have just gone backwards from ` 98 T4 to a `97 V70 T5 and the standard T4 suspension wise at 10yrs old is a dodgy machine that cannot handle the 200bhp it is dangerous. Ok, so you may get a bit more mpg on the standard motor but my 1855 T4 with the actuator turned up only gave me 27mpg on a long run and 20 in the town. I have done 30mpg on a run with the T5 and in much more roomy comfort, both using 98ron.
As for my 2001 Phase 2 1.8 it is really a horrid little motor wish i had never bought it, VVT rattling all over the place, Ok so 34mpg, but i prefer the build quality and the more spacious cabin of my T5 to any S/V40.

[Al115]

If I was going back to the T4/T5 fold, I'd be in the T4 camp all the way.

Soundtrack not as good.
Just as fast in the real world.
Handles better and uses less fuel.

So the T4 gets my vote on that debate (yes I know I have recently bought a T5, but that was a bit "different"! )

I'd buy a Phase 2 T4 - yes it has the weaker engine, but it has a much more "modern" feel to it than the older cars. Who cares so long as you can have a reliable 200+ (240...) BHP, it's plenty quick enough for me as a daily drive.

[yorkshire R]

im with the T4.iv had the 850T5,850R,C70Tcoupe,C70 covertible,S60T5 and my T4 twice!
as iv no kids the T4 is the right size for my,the others are really big cars,my favorite volvo is the 850R then my T4

[960kg]

If I was going back to the T4/T5 fold, I'd be in the T4 camp all the way.

Soundtrack not as good.
Just as fast in the real world.
Handles better and uses less fuel.

So the T4 gets my vote on that debate (yes I know I have recently bought a T5, but that was a bit "different"! )

I'd buy a Phase 2 T4 - yes it has the weaker engine, but it has a much more "modern" feel to it than the older cars. Who cares so long as you can have a reliable 200+ (240...) BHP, it's plenty quick enough for me as a daily drive.

The thing is you won`t have a reliable Phase 2 T4 if you use the power ,they blow head gaskets and split liners all the time. This is why the 1855 Phase 1 T4 is the better deal, and they are reliable. with no VVT failure every 50,000mls

[T5frankie]

Ignore all this "get a t5" rubbish, they just don't want people to get t4s because they're cheaper to run AND faster



too true haha

ive had one and 10 t5's lol and they aint faster mate

[Al115]

The thing is you won`t have a reliable Phase 2 T4 if you use the power ,they blow head gaskets and split liners all the time. This is why the 1855 Phase 1 T4 is the better deal, and they are reliable. with no VVT failure every 50,000mls

I didn't have a single problem with any of the T4s I owned (other than the ones I caused myself - and the one I owned briefly that had been crashed!) They don't split liners etc unless badly tuned for what the engine can take (which is, indeed, not as much as the older T4s - but then we know that, so tune accordingly).

[mitchyboy01]

ive had one and 10 t5's lol and they aint faster mate

Everyone goes on about the T5 and no-one really knows much about the T4 so they ignore them as being the smaller slower brother. In stock form they are as fast as a 225bhp T5 and quicker on the 1/4. They are nearly 200kg lighter too which helps. If there were a few more people tuning the T4's a T4 vs T5 day would be interesting.

[Haizum74]

I can only comment on the T4 as I have not had a T5, just the 940 Turbo but I have been informed by a few people that they are quicker stock than a stock T5.

[T5frankie]

Everyone goes on about the T5 and no-one really knows much about the T4 so they ignore them as being the smaller slower brother. In stock form they are as fast as a 225bhp T5 and quicker on the 1/4. They are nearly 200kg lighter too which helps. If there were a few more people tuning the T4's a T4 vs T5 day would be interesting.

id be up for some t4 ass kicking lol

[960kg]

Everyone goes on about the T5 and no-one really knows much about the T4 so they ignore them as being the smaller slower brother. In stock form they are as fast as a 225bhp T5 and quicker on the 1/4. They are nearly 200kg lighter too which helps. If there were a few more people tuning the T4's a T4 vs T5 day would be interesting.

I`ll be up for it Mitch, when i am sorted!

If it were a standing start i do believe due to getting the traction down they would be identical even though the T5 is heavier against the loss of traction by the T4 then the T5 should gently go away once the weight is moving. I am taking standard motors, don`t forget the standard V70 is 240bhp against the T4 200bhp

[lozccw]

I already have coilovers,heavy duty arb links, steel braided hoses(Brake and clutch), full stainless exhaust with 200 cell sport cat, weber high flow air filter, whiteline rear roll bar, front and rear strut braces, and a few other bits and pieces from my current car.

I can't really afford to "start again" so I'm pretty much comitted to a T4.

I'm planning to get a forge recirc dv straight away, but where should I go from there regarding tuning the engine?
(Assuming its the p1 1855cc)