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    Wink WHP Rolling Road Leader Board?

    Just a thought, Seeing as we have a Flywheel Power Leader Board wouldnt it be a interesting to have a Wheel Horse Power Leader board to compare with?

    After all thats where it counts insint it? Here's mine to start with

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    not one manufacturer quotes whp figures, pointless having two tables virtually the same imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by t5frankie View Post
    not one manufacturer quotes whp figures, pointless having two tables virtually the same imo
    They measure the power direct, on an engine dyno and they wouldn't give out whp anyway as the higher bhp figure looks better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamT4 View Post
    They measure the power direct, on an engine dyno and they wouldn't give out whp anyway as the higher bhp figure looks better.
    yeah and alot harder to compare it to other cars' figures if we use whp

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    Quote Originally Posted by t5frankie View Post
    yeah and alot harder to compare it to other cars' figures if we use whp
    Why is that? Its whp that moves the car.

    Won't reply for a bit mate, just watching match of the day ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamT4 View Post
    Why is that? Its whp that moves the car.

    Won't reply for a bit mate, just watching match of the day ;-)
    not everyone understands those figures, merc is just trying to get further up the leaderboard lol

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    In fairness the wheel hp figures are the most relevant as they're the ones which are going to propel the car along. The flywheel power is a pub talk figure which doesn't give any real gauge on performance only really a figure used to sell a car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamT4 View Post
    Why is that? Its whp that moves the car.

    Won't reply for a bit mate, just watching match of the day ;-)
    was my understanding that it was the torque that produce the moving force. Power is a factor of torque (lb/ft) x rpm/5252

    our engines in general produce massive amounts of toque and personally this is where i find them unique and most interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t5frankie View Post
    not everyone understands those figures, merc is just trying to get further up the leaderboard lol
    Obviously, the way the manufacturers do it, is the best as thats the actual engine power, no calculation needed to work out anything. But its a bit tricky for us to do it like that. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by bubba_1986 View Post
    was my understanding that it was the torque that produce the moving force. Power is a factor of torque (lb/ft) x rpm/5252

    our engines in general produce massive amounts of toque and personally this is where i find them unique and most interesting.
    What i mean, is that its the power at the wheels that moves the car down the road, be that torque hp or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndysR View Post
    In fairness the wheel hp figures are the most relevant as they're the ones which are going to propel the car along. The flywheel power is a pub talk figure which doesn't give any real gauge on performance only really a figure used to sell a car.
    i agree but i get slated for it when i mentioned it lol.and it would nice to see the max rpm too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamT4 View Post
    Obviously, the way the manufacturers do it, is the best as thats the actual engine power, no calculation needed to work out anything. But its a bit tricky for us to do it like that. lol



    What i mean, is that its the power at the wheels that moves the car down the road, be that torque hp or whatever.
    Fair doo's mate, sorry had a few and argued with my mate recently who just turbo charged his 98 jdm interga. to be fair it goes like §§§§ off a shovel. I kept telling him it was the torque and all he cared about was power. You should have seen the look on his face when he mention the max power to the tuner and the tuners words were " you are not interested in max power, you are interested in a nice even band of torque" it was priceless lol.

    sorry just been on a roll
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba_1986 View Post
    Fair doo's mate, sorry had a few and argued with my mate recently who just turbo charged his 98 jdm interga. to be fair it goes like §§§§ off a shovel. I kept telling him it was the torque and all he cared about was power. You should have seen the look on his face when he mention the max power to the tuner and the tuners words were " you are not interested in max power, you are interested in a nice even band of torque" it was priceless lol.

    sorry just been on a roll
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba_1986 View Post
    Fair doo's mate, sorry had a few and argued with my mate recently who just turbo charged his 98 jdm interga. to be fair it goes like §§§§ off a shovel. I kept telling him it was the torque and all he cared about was power. You should have seen the look on his face when he mention the max power to the tuner and the tuners words were " you are not interested in max power, you are interested in a nice even band of torque" it was priceless lol.

    sorry just been on a roll
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    Honestly he was gutted. though to be fair we both put alot of effort into engine change and garret turbo fitting etc.

    It was just the fact he was so obsessed with if i get 300bhp ill be happy. To be fair he had bought a good lower end for conversion as his type r compression was to high. Produced 311bhp at fly and 280whp with 240lb/ft of torque which is about 325nm. Nice results.

    I can keep up until about 60/70ish then due to his only weighting about 1050kg it takes off. Think i'm going to be roped into changing gearbox soon as ratio's are far to short lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba_1986 View Post
    Honestly he was gutted. though to be fair we both put alot of effort into engine change and garret turbo fitting etc.

    It was just the fact he was so obsessed with if i get 300bhp ill be happy. To be fair he had bought a good lower end for conversion as his type r compression was to high. Produced 311bhp at fly and 280whp with 240lb/ft of torque which is about 325nm. Nice results.

    I can keep up until about 60/70ish then due to his only weighting about 1050kg it takes off. Think i'm going to be roped into changing gearbox soon as ratio's are far to short lol
    thats nice power mate what turbo and what boost

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    Turbo is a unknown. don't ask i'll get back to you lol. 10psi. It is a b18 low compression bottom end with a b18 type r 98 jdm head on it. I give it 2 months at his rate of driving and rod will snap lol.

    just checked his fb. it says

    Garrett t3/t4 57 trim .63a/f blower

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    has tial external waste gate, i know that much lol. It bolted on and that's as much as we cared lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba_1986 View Post
    Turbo is a unknown. don't ask i'll get back to you lol. 10psi. It is a b18 low compression bottom end with a b18 type r 98 jdm head on it. I give it 2 months at his rate of driving and rod will snap lol.

    just checked his fb. it says

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    has tial external waste gate, i know that much lol. It bolted on and that's as much as we cared lol
    i use a t38 hybrid with t4 billet compressor wheel the largest possible lol,running on a 2.3 8v with modded big valve head etc and forged bottom end.im going to run it at 28 psi for now but the turbo rated at 36 psi.i have also built a new cossie manifold for it too you have proberly seen the thread on that though.i think this little lot should net me 140 bhp.

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    I only get 228whp but I get more than 100whp at 2000rpm and 160whp at 3000 - all smooth, with very little lag.

    suits me just fine All this crank BHP is subject to the whims of dodgy dynos anyway.

    A fast car isn't always a pleasant car esp if your FWD is overwhelmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t5_monkey View Post
    I only get 228whp but I get more than 100whp at 2000rpm and 160whp at 3000 - all smooth, with very little lag.

    suits me just fine All this crank BHP is subject to the whims of dodgy dynos anyway.

    A fast car isn't always a pleasant car esp if your FWD is overwhelmed.
    the last time i went on the rollers with a standard engine i was on full power by 3k too and thats a 940 but it flat lined at 4200 to 6k .but that problem will be sorted though .

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