Shortening the sump

[T4Rick]

Can the sump be shortened in height at all and will the engine cope ok.

[Volvostorm]

Why would you what you reduce your oil capacity?

There is a dry sump kit for the 5 pot, but, it ain't cheap!

[T4Rick]

Im converting to rwd and i think im gonna run into subframe issues i hope i dont have to chop the sump up.

[Volvostorm]

I have seen pictures of people shortening the sumps, on other engines.

As long as the oil pick stays in oil all the time, I can't see why it shouldn't hurt

[JUDGENINJA]

Anyone ever built a dry sump?

[claymore]

I would think that you'll have to weld some wings on, so that you can keep the capacity.

[Volvostorm]

I would think that you'll have to weld some wings on, so that you can keep the capacity.

Good idea, forgot about that

Look like this

http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Info_sheets/O...dification.htm

[T4Rick]

If there was less oil capacity in the sump would it damage the engine

[claymore]

If there was less oil capacity in the sump would it damage the engine

It's not something I'd do, it's the life blood of the engine.

[Volvostorm]

If there was less oil capacity in the sump would it damage the engine

Just a bit! Its not just the engine itself that needs oil, the turbo has to be fed to.

[Alan M]

Don't drop the capacity. As above fit some sort of extra capacity. The sump has baffles that will be a nightmare to alter when adding wings so dry sump and accumulator may be the best method.

[T4Rick]

Don't drop the capacity. As above fit some sort of extra capacity. The sump has baffles that will be a nightmare to alter when adding wings so dry sump and accumulator may be the best method.

Hi Alan dry sumps are expensive lol

[endo-t5]

Why not put a big oil cooler on as will increase capacity and you could always look at making a dry sump system.

[AndysR]

Hi Alan dry sumps are expensive lol

So are engines... lol

[T4Rick]

Why not put a big oil cooler on as will increase capacity and you could always look at making a dry sump system.

That sounds like a very good idea,would i keep it as close to the sump as possible and sort of at the same level as the sump?

[zoidberg]

If you wish to 'shorten' it as you put it, then DONT even touch the lower pan. Insteadabout an inch below the mounting face cut it all the way round, you then do it again to the remainder of the sump removing the depth neede and then weld the mateing face bit back on. Thus every thing is the same except overall height.
HOWEVER.................................THAT wont be your biggest problem!! What will be wil be the fact that you will need a sump with a REAR lower drain pan and accompanying filter/pipework. Pies can be made to fit relatively easy and it might be easier to pinch the lot of a rear engined car and do the bit I said about cutting the mounting face but just weld it onto the RWD sump.

[T4Rick]

Ive not got it sat in yet ive only just removed the t5 engine today.I do think i can keep some of the sump so it will be like an L shape and maybe i put the baffle lower down in to it

[jmc]

This is something I need to look into. I will be using a 960 sump, and Im fairly sure I'll need to alter the pan to avoid the subframe/ARB.
I was thinking of possibly shortening the pan (front to back) but making it wider to keep the capacity up and maybe also to fit a pressure accumulator (if thats the right thing) just to be on the safe side.

[T4Rick]

This is something I need to look into. I will be using a 960 sump, and Im fairly sure I'll need to alter the pan to avoid the subframe/ARB.
I was thinking of possibly shortening the pan (front to back) but making it wider to keep the capacity up and maybe also to fit a pressure accumulator (if thats the right thing) just to be on the safe side.

Whats the point in using the 960 sump?you still have to chop the sump about dont you.

[claymore]

Whats the point in using the 960 sump?you still have to chop the sump about dont you.

The 960 sump already has the 'wings' on it, got to be easyer just to shorten a 960 sump I would have thought.