Angle gear confusion - is it shot?

[Leeds_finest]

Ran over it with an old tooth brush and white spirits but that's about as good a picture as i'm going to get with poor lighting and a rubbish camera I think:



Cheers

[afzalmj]

You might get away with just replacing the collar.

[Leeds_finest]

You might get away with just replacing the collar.

Hopefully!

The angle gear shaft teeth ^^^ don't look worn and seem to have plenty of meat on them, but I can't see the trans shaft teeth yet as I haven't got round to removing the old collar.

The collar is definitely toast though, no teeth on it AT ALL.

[Santa]

Hopefully!

The angle gear shaft teeth ^^^ don't look worn and seem to have plenty of meat on them, but I can't see the trans shaft teeth yet as I haven't got round to removing the old collar.

The collar is definitely toast though, no teeth on it AT ALL.

Hopefully it will prove to be a cheap fix then :-)

[Leeds_finest]

Hopefully it will prove to be a cheap fix then :-)

I'm hoping so mate.

Someone on 'Swedespeed' said they did a lot of research into this problem and apparently 99% of the time the gearbox shaft doesn't strip like the angle gear does. Most damage to the gearbox shaft is usually caused by removing the collar incorrectly.

Anyway, I suppose it's all speculation, i'll have to wait and see. Providing it's an easy straight forward fix the car should be up for sale in Feb me thinks.

[Dangerous Dave]

From what I can see in the pics it looks like there has been some slight wear of the splines (on one edge), but they seem to be the original height at least.

Mine were worn more than that and its been a few years since I replaced the gearbox and sleeve and I've had no problems.

Like you say, see what the gearbox side says....

[Santa]

I'm hoping so mate.

Someone on 'Swedespeed' said they did a lot of research into this problem and apparently 99% of the time the gearbox shaft doesn't strip like the angle gear does. Most damage to the gearbox shaft is usually caused by removing the collar incorrectly.

Anyway, I suppose it's all speculation, i'll have to wait and see. Providing it's an easy straight forward fix the car should be up for sale in Feb me thinks.

Sure you don't want to keep it.....either way mate please dont leave :-)

[Leeds_finest]

From what I can see in the pics it looks like there has been some slight wear of the splines (on one edge), but they seem to be the original height at least.

Mine were worn more than that and its been a few years since I replaced the gearbox and sleeve and I've had no problems.

Like you say, see what the gearbox side says....

Ok well most people seem to think the angle gear side will go before the gearbox side, so hopefully mine should be ok. We'll have to see.

May well be calling upon your expertise for collar removal Dave.

Sure you don't want to keep it.....either way mate please dont leave :-)

To be honest I really love the car even in standard form. It turns heads when people see the brakes etc and most people don't even realise what it is to be honest which is cool.

...but punching above my weight a bit really, you've got to have the wedge to keep these sorts of cars going and with the complicated AWD, suspension, brakes and engine you're asking for big bills when something goes wrong I suppose. It's not buying the car, it's maintaining it.

If I do get rid, i'll definitely have another one when i've paid off all my business loans and i'm earning reasonable money. Until then, I think it may be the end of the road for mine. Thinking of going for my original 2nd choice, Leon Cupra R??

[martybelfastt5]

ah mate fingers crossed,when this sorta thing goes i would have thought driving the car would tell all as you say a bang grind ect , so it can only be good youve spotted it now..as you say maintiance on them nothing short of scary and that was one of my main factors in keeping the 850 no matter what it throws its fixable without to much hurt even in the worst cases.such a great car but makes you wonder on thier life span compared to all the older volvo range ect. il be watching with the fingers crossed and if all goes as good as it can.

[LeeT5]

Hopefully!

The angle gear shaft teeth ^^^ don't look worn and seem to have plenty of meat on them, but I can't see the trans shaft teeth yet as I haven't got round to removing the old collar.

The collar is definitely toast though, no teeth on it AT ALL.

That's the point, it was designed to do that! Otherwise you'd be buying a new Prop shaft at £700 a time.
The only reason most people end up having to buy a new Angle gear aswell is because they never properly maintained their cars by a competant Dealer. They would have inspected the Angle gear in a service and noted any oil leaks. This is the first sign that things will go down hill. Once the oil depletes then the box overheats and "BANG" goes your Angle gear teeth.

[LeeT5]

Thinking of going for my original 2nd choice, Leon Cupra R??

Uh!! Made in Spain....No thanks. Stick to the Ovlov mate.

[Dangerous Dave]

Otherwise you'd be buying a new Prop shaft at £700 a time.

But theres the clincher, you know what car makers are like these days, they'd rather have the part break and charge the earth for a new one.

[Leeds_finest]

ah mate fingers crossed,when this sorta thing goes i would have thought driving the car would tell all as you say a bang grind ect , so it can only be good youve spotted it now..as you say maintiance on them nothing short of scary and that was one of my main factors in keeping the 850 no matter what it throws its fixable without to much hurt even in the worst cases.such a great car but makes you wonder on thier life span compared to all the older volvo range ect. il be watching with the fingers crossed and if all goes as good as it can.

That's the thing though mate, sometimes you can't even tell. In fairness it could've happened even before you bought the car from your buddy - you wouldn't have known and neither did I until I got it on a ramp

As you say, I was inspired by how bullet proof the older models seem to be, but maybe it hasn't carried through to the newer models.

Fingers crossed as you say mate, hopefully will be ok.

That's the point, it was designed to do that! Otherwise you'd be buying a new Prop shaft at £700 a time.
The only reason most people end up having to buy a new Angle gear aswell is because they never properly maintained their cars by a competant Dealer. They would have inspected the Angle gear in a service and noted any oil leaks. This is the first sign that things will go down hill. Once the oil depletes then the box overheats and "BANG" goes your Angle gear teeth.

Well that's a possibility as oil/fluid is obviously there to cool/lubricate parts but the problem seems far too common for this to be the case. The majority of people that bought/run/own these cars will probably take their cars to main dealers or trusted specialists but yet you still hear MANY stories of the angle gear going pop.

Also, let's not forget the fact that I haven't really heard any stories of angle gear internals being fried, it's always the teeth - surely if it was low on oil it would melt internals before it takes the teeth?

Example, Rich practically has a running tab at GRN motors and his angle gear needed replacing when his collar went, but his has got to be one of the best maintained R's around and i'm sure they would've picked up on oil leaks prior to this.

Uh!! Made in Spain....No thanks. Stick to the Ovlov mate.

Lol it could've been 'thrown' together by Pedro and his Gringo's for all I care, if it does what it's meant to do that's the selling point.

Anyway, if we're making a serious point, the 20VT engines are well renound for being fantastic with the unfortunate drawback of occasionally chewing coilpacks (cheap to fix and could do it blindfolded).

The S60 R is far superior, but it comes at a cost.

Besides all of this, i'm not slating the Volvo on a Volvo forum, I did say above that I love the Volvo to pieces but (as you can gather from our PM's) it's not a car I can afford to maintain right now.

But theres the clincher, you know what car makers are like these days, they'd rather have the part break and charge the earth for a new one.

Well let's face facts, i'm not saying the angle gear was designed to break, but they obviously saw a money opportunity by not selling the input shaft as a seperate part. Instead, we're all forced to buy a COMPLETE unit from Volvo themselves - what a suprise.

[Santa]

...The only reason most people end up having to buy a new Angle gear aswell is because they never properly maintained their cars by a competant Dealer...

Mine went due to heavy launching :-(

[Leeds_finest]

Mine went due to heavy launching :-(

Really if the collar does it's job correctly, your AG should have been saved.

Ok, so they didn't exactly intend average driver of a P2 'R' to be doing 4k launches but still, if the collars designed to go but in a lot of instances it takes the AG with it too, it questions the integrity of the AG really doesn't it.

P.s. 'Santa' in Red - how ironic - couldn't you have it in red and white letters?

[Santa]

P.s. 'Santa' in Red - how ironic - couldn't you have it in red and white letters?

I'd have to change the forums theme to accommodate that lol

[Leeds_finest]

I'd have to change the forums theme to accommodate that lol

Don't be a say'er... be a do'er

(joke)

[Santa]

Don't be a say'er... be a do'er

(joke)

Need to get a feng shui consultant in before doing that!

[Leeds_finest]

With thanks to Dave (Bomb192uk) the sleeve is now removed.

Pics to follow.

[Santa]

With thanks to Dave (Bomb192uk) the sleeve is now removed.

Pics to follow.

Daves a goodun................I'm sure I said we should go for a drink early in 2011 and we never went for one lol