Angle gear confusion - is it shot?

[Leeds_finest]

Worst case scenario is that both angle gear and gearbox need replacing. The sleeve alone costs around £80, god only knows how much a secondhand gearbox costs, let alone a new one! SH angle gears I tend to find vary in price depending on how much the seller knows about the rarity of them.

Hope all is not too bad though buddy. At least you know what the worst is.

In all honesty, I wouldn't bother if that was the case.

Typical as well how you cannot purchase just the shaft, the whole unit needs replacing, how clever

Cheers

[Leeds_finest]

Hope all is not too bad though buddy. At least you know what the worst is.

Where abouts are you based? Would you be able to give me a chuck if needed?

Thanks

[Jamest5r]

He's on the dark side of the M5

[Santa]

He's on the dark side of the M5

Even though hes quite close to the dark side I believe he's actually on the bright west slight of the M5.....West side is the best aiii

[Leeds_finest]

Even though hes quite close to the dark side I believe he's actually on the bright west slight of the M5.....West side is the best aiii

Got any idea of the cost of your A/G replacement?

Someones mentioned approx £1,750 parts and that's if the gearbox HASN'T sh*t itself... surely not?

[Leeds_finest]

So how will I know whether or not the angle gear shaft teeth are dead or not? I take it there's varying degrees of wear, not just dead or alive?

A certain degree of wear will not require replacement... i'm guessing?

[Santa]

Got any idea of the cost of your A/G replacement?

Someones mentioned approx £1,750 parts and that's if the gearbox HASN'T sh*t itself... surely not?

If I remember correctly it was better value than the Haldex controller replacement. Around £1500+ with labour I think. (Could be wrong though).

On degree of wear, not sure but I suspect if the collar gear grips to the splines then all should be good though may not be good for long.

[Dangerous Dave]

On degree of wear, not sure but I suspect if the collar gear grips to the splines then all should be good though may not be good for long.

Yup, its a case of how long you wanty it to last. It is probably likely that the other parts have worn as a result of the worn sleeve.

My angle gear was worn but the new sleeve fitted nicely with no movement so I didn't replace that, but the gearbox splines had worn down as much as the sleeve had so needed replacing. I was gonna look into getting a new diff made up or getting a company to recon the old one, but never got round to it.

The bit I replaced in my gearbox, note the output shaft for the angle gear is built into the outer diff unit.

[Dangerous Dave]

So how will I know whether or not the angle gear shaft teeth are dead or not? I take it there's varying degrees of wear, not just dead or alive?

A certain degree of wear will not require replacement... i'm guessing?

Here is a pic of some wear on the splines of the sleeve, the angle gear/gearbox wears pretty much the same depending on how far the wear has gone. You can see what the original height/shape of the splines was further in the sleeve before the gap.

[LeeT5]

Angle gear price as at August 2009 is £756.
Angle gear service kit £89.
Angle gear oil £23.
+ Labour and VAT.

Is there evidence of leaking oil from your Angle gear box? Its this that causes the Splines to tear themselves out as they overheat.

Have the AWD checked by a competant technician at Volvo before you condem the Angle Gear.

I feel yer pain dude. Mine was all replaced at 101k by the previous owner (thank ££££)
The Bill was £2200 but did include a new shock absorber and TCV.
There was also some discount in there too.

[Leeds_finest]

If I remember correctly it was better value than the Haldex controller replacement. Around £1500+ with labour I think. (Could be wrong though).

On degree of wear, not sure but I suspect if the collar gear grips to the splines then all should be good though may not be good for long.

Yup, its a case of how long you wanty it to last. It is probably likely that the other parts have worn as a result of the worn sleeve.

My angle gear was worn but the new sleeve fitted nicely with no movement so I didn't replace that, but the gearbox splines had worn down as much as the sleeve had so needed replacing. I was gonna look into getting a new diff made up or getting a company to recon the old one, but never got round to it.

The bit I replaced in my gearbox, note the output shaft for the angle gear is built into the outer diff unit.

Here is a pic of some wear on the splines of the sleeve, the angle gear/gearbox wears pretty much the same depending on how far the wear has gone. You can see what the original height/shape of the splines was further in the sleeve before the gap.

Cheers guys, so it's basically a case of how long it's going to last then providing both shafts are ok?

The angle gear shaft looks ok although I think (typically) the collar is stuck on the gearbox shaft.. so i'm unsure on the condition of this at the moment.

Angle gear price as at August 2009 is £756.
Angle gear service kit £89.
Angle gear oil £23.
+ Labour and VAT.

Is there evidence of leaking oil from your Angle gear box? Its this that causes the Splines to tear themselves out as they overheat.

Have the AWD checked by a competant technician at Volvo before you condem the Angle Gear.

I feel yer pain dude. Mine was all replaced at 101k by the previous owner (thank ££££)
The Bill was £2200 but did include a new shock absorber and TCV.
There was also some discount in there too.

Thanks mate, so i'm looking at around £100 all in for collar and angle gear seals then? (angle gear service kit). Don't suppose you have the part number do you? My copy of VIDA is installed on my mates dads PC

Took the angle gear off today mate and the collar is definitely toast. Angle gear shaft looks ok with little wear... but who knows about the gearbox shaft, haven't removed the collar yet.

May be a case of fixing the car and getting rid I think. I love the car but i've been kidding myself thinking I can maintain a car like this. Would rather settle for VAG FWD turbo, less hassle, more parts readily available.

[Santa]

Cheers guys, so it's basically a case of how long it's going to last then providing both shafts are ok?

The angle gear shaft looks ok although I think (typically) the collar is stuck on the gearbox shaft.. so i'm unsure on the condition of this at the moment.



Thanks mate, so i'm looking at around £100 all in for collar and angle gear seals then? (angle gear service kit). Don't suppose you have the part number do you? My copy of VIDA is installed on my mates dads PC

Took the angle gear off today mate and the collar is definitely toast. Angle gear shaft looks ok with little wear... but who knows about the gearbox shaft, haven't removed the collar yet.

May be a case of fixing the car and getting rid I think. I love the car but i've been kidding myself thinking I can maintain a car like this. Would rather settle for VAG FWD turbo, less hassle, more parts readily available.

If the angle gear side of the collar looks completely worn you might be ok. (I'm being optimistic and hoping the best for you).

If its a cheap fix keep the car, as I said the other day if the car becomes to expensive to fix you could break it for bits and probably make your money back.

[SomeBloke]

As a matter of interest, should we be swapping out the splinned collar as a matter of course at say 80k to stop the thing stripping completely and damaging the shafts?

[Dangerous Dave]

As a matter of interest, should we be swapping out the splinned collar as a matter of course at say 80k to stop the thing stripping completely and damaging the shafts?

It would be beneficial to the service life of the gearbox and angle gear to do that.

[Santa]

It would be beneficial to the service life of the gearbox and angle gear to do that.

Yeah I'd back this as well. I had mine replaced at 65k......with the angle gear :-(

[Leeds_finest]

If the angle gear side of the collar looks completely worn you might be ok. (I'm being optimistic and hoping the best for you).

If its a cheap fix keep the car, as I said the other day if the car becomes to expensive to fix you could break it for bits and probably make your money back.

Well the angle gear teeth appear ok, but I haven't got a picture of a 100% new/unused one to compare mine to. I'll post my pics up today.

That's true, although I don't know if I could bring myself to break it with it being so rare. As you said though, if you couldn't afford one brand new, don't buy one second hand Rich... so true.

As a matter of interest, should we be swapping out the splinned collar as a matter of course at say 80k to stop the thing stripping completely and damaging the shafts?

It would be beneficial to the service life of the gearbox and angle gear to do that.

Yeah I'd back this as well. I had mine replaced at 65k......with the angle gear :-(

+3.

If it's not already gone, then change it ASAP. it's not worth the xtra hassle once it goes. Could potentially save yourself thousands in repair costs.

DIY is not too hard either, no need for labour charges.

[Leeds_finest]

These are the best pics I can get really, my camera isn't the best and despite trying to clean the teeth off, the shaft still looks dirty but what are your opinions?





No visible wear to the teeth really, they seem like the original machined contours and they're all even (no odd bumps or scores) but haven't got a damaged one to compare it to.

[Leeds_finest]

AHHHH TOOTH BRUSH! WHAT AN IDEA!

I'll give them another clean and try to photograph again.

[Santa]

Might be the angle of the photo but looks like even though there may be a little wear that should mate to a new collar ok

[Leeds_finest]

Might be the angle of the photo but looks like even though there may be a little wear that should mate to a new collar ok

Fingers crossed mate.

As you say, bound to be some wear but hopefully it'll take a new collar. Just really got to hope the gearbox end is ok.