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**MIKESC70T5** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 10:47

Originally Posted by leighkaicraigmia

everytime there is an argument on here even if you had nothing to do with the OP you are guaranteed to be in it near the end voicing your opinions

My view point. All the Volvo forums have there benefits and imo, t5d5 is mainly people with hands on experience and knowledge, VPC has lately just been people giving word of mouth advice. I've meet Chris numerous times and is a really helpful down to earth guy and would help anybody out. Imo he isn't causing arguments but just discussing things. He has used Russ and HLM in the past so speaks from experience and in his opinion there are better mechanics/tuners out there. isn't it better he says things rather than someone who has only ever used one tuner?

Mike

**p fandango** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 11:00

Originally Posted by Justin

Can we agree the thread has served its best and close it now, any objections?

i was going to agree, & then it takes yet another sharp turn & carries on lol

**p fandango** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 11:06

Originally Posted by MIKESC70T5

My view point. All the Volvo forums have there benefits and imo, t5d5 is mainly people with hands on experience and knowledge, VPC has lately just been people giving word of mouth advice. He has used Russ and HLM in the past so speaks from experience and in his opinion there are better mechanics/tuners out there. isn't it better he says things rather than someone who has only ever used one tuner?

i think you'll find quite alot of people on here already use various tuners/specialist. Obviously word of mouth gets used on all forums. Theirs also quite a different array of modified cars done using different products, tuning routes etc & the information gets passed on when asked

**Al115** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 12:03

It's people who have experience of a variety of tuners who are best-placed to compare between them, IMHO. We're lucky as a community that there are people like that out there who choose to share their perspectives, no matter which Forum they prefer.

12 pages of thread and I agree with Justin, I think we're done here.

**T5frankie** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 13:07

Originally Posted by S70T5Chris

Do you really want to do this?!

do what chris? state the obvious that what everyone is thinking and don't come across threatening to me cos it wont wash pal

**LiamT4** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 13:16

Chris, you may know at lot about cars and you may be a decent bloke, but thats not how it comes across on here.
Whenever you have something to say, you always seem to put somebody else down at the same time.
I'v said it before that most of the time it seems like you are having a go at someone and looks like you are trying to cause an argument.
You have your own thoughts and experiences and by all means post them, as people want to know these things, just try to be a bit more tactfull with how you reply. Its very easy for things to get taken out of context, when they're just words typed on to a screen.

**claymore** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 13:21

I agree with Liam, it would also help your cause if you didnt go straight back to the t5d5 shoutbox telling everyone how you have put 'whoever' in there place.

**S70T5Chris** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 13:32

Originally Posted by leighkaicraigmia

do what chris? state the obvious that what everyone is thinking and don't come across threatening to me cos it wont wash pal

You should have closed the thread earlier Justin/Al !!

How was I threatening? Justin took it in the context it was meant. If you want to read more into it that's your doing, not mine.

The argument that is building now is precisely what I wanted to avoid, by asking the question 'do you really want to do this?!'. I meant lets just leave it at that, but you're the one who had to continue...

Just because I replied to Russ, and his post was insulting to two good friends of mine, whether you can see that or not, you all jump on me and have a paddy!

**S70T5Chris** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 13:36

Originally Posted by LiamT4

Chris, you may know at lot about cars and you may be a decent bloke, but thats not how it comes across on here.
Whenever you have something to say, you always seem to put somebody else down at the same time.
I'v said it before that most of the time it seems like you are having a go at someone and looks like you are trying to cause an argument.
You have your own thoughts and experiences and by all means post them, as people want to know these things, just try to be a bit more tactfull with how you reply. Its very easy for things to get taken out of context, when they're just words typed on to a screen.

Liam, I don't claim to know much about cars at all. All I can go on is what experiences I have had with my cars, and what I pick up from others who know far more than I ever will.

I don't try and cause arguments just for the sake of it. If I've got a point to make, then I'll make it. If that offends some people then so be it.

I agree that it's easy to take written words the wrong way, take Franks(?) post above as a prime example, that was totally off the mark.

Apologies if I've offended you, I don't have anything against you and can see why you feel the way you do about some of my posts.

**S70T5Chris** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 13:39

Originally Posted by claymore

I agree with Liam, it would also help your cause if you didnt go straight back to the t5d5 shoutbox telling everyone how you have put 'whoever' in there place.

Help my cause? The shoutbox on T5D5 is used for general chit chat. If we discuss other forums (not just this one!), then so what? Just because people post links to threads on other forums that may be of interest to them, does that make it wrong?

**claymore** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 13:59

Originally Posted by S70T5Chris

Help my cause? The shoutbox on T5D5 is used for general chit chat. If we discuss other forums (not just this one!), then so what? Just because people post links to threads on other forums that may be of interest to them, does that make it wrong?

I'm just saying, as Liam said, a "little more tact" a lot of people use both forums, I'm just playing devils advocate. if you want to make a valid point on here, i have no problem with a link being posted up, but you do tend to belittle the other forum members. which from my perspective seems like your just taking the p**s out of them

**S70T5Chris** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 14:03

Originally Posted by claymore

I'm just saying, as Liam said, a "little more tact" a lot of people use both forums, I'm just playing devils advocate. if you want to make a valid point on here, i have no problem with a link being posted up, but you do tend to belittle the other forum members. which from my perspective seems like your just taking the p**s out of them

ok mate, point taken

**Justin** · Saturday 27th November 2010, 16:29

And i think that rounds it up.
Thanks for the input, some good and some bad.

Si, you pay your money and make your choice, but as stated do your homework. Maps are different from tuners, some aggressive and some more constant delivery of power, its your choice. I hope past issues havent detered you from looking at them all.

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