Depressed manual 855 T5R market?

**Flatout Phil** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 14:45

I cannot believe this 97,000 mile manual T5R (Volvo stamped to 80k and lots of history apparently) has not sold at £2200 - it is a car reasonably local to me and looks good. Seller seems like a decent bloke.

http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1635895.htm

How depressing this £1.25 a litre thing is....

I don't think there can be too many around at this mileage these days - would be a snip for someone. Unmolested too - just ripe for a remap etc etc!

**madhouse** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 14:56

Like you say fuel prices etc etc.

They're not first choice anymore and as such don't seem to be selling unless they're really cheap

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**Flatout Phil** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 16:14

Originally Posted by madhouse

Like you say fuel prices etc etc.

They're not first choice anymore and as such don't seem to be selling unless they're really cheap

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I am waiting for a gull yellow one!

The thing is, pound per horsepower/reliability/economy/initial outlay/utility, I don't think there is ANYTHING similar. The 850 T5R/R is almost unique in the delivery of high octane fun and maximum utility - as well as, for the performance, MPG which, whilst not exactly frugal, is more than made up for in the general durability and longevity of these vehicles. An M5 Touring on an N plate with 97,000 and history is going to raise a bit more than 2k - RS4 are rapid, but very expensive to buy and have fussy 4x4, E-class are pricey to maintain...
You see what I mean?
(Can't wait for the lists of great cheap but tough, big, hot estates I have forgotten).

**S70T5Chris** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 16:34

Originally Posted by Flatout Phil

How depressing this £1.25 a litre thing is....

On the news this morning they were saying that fuel might go up as much as 30p a litre by the summer! £1.50+ a litre will be quite ridiculous!

**cherry1809** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 16:41

Don't think it's the fuel knocking prices down myself.
I've had over 40 cars since passing my test, So I 've seen prices drop and rise of most.
I sold a Rally prepped RS2000 back in 1997 for about 900 quid, Today it'd go for £8k+.
Prices seem to go silly low before shooting back up. You don't see many Yank tanks going for Peanuts, And your doing well to get over 12mpg out of most of them.

**Loadsamiles** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 17:15

Originally Posted by Flatout Phil

I cannot believe this 97,000 mile manual T5R (Volvo stamped to 80k and lots of history apparently) has not sold at £2200 - it is a car reasonably local to me and looks good. Seller seems like a decent bloke.

http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1635895.htm

How depressing this £1.25 a litre thing is....

I don't think there can be too many around at this mileage these days - would be a snip for someone. Unmolested too - just ripe for a remap etc etc!

That's because you can get a phase 2 car for that money.

You seem to forget. The second hand Volvo market is not an enthusiast market as such. People just look at what is on the market for what price. At the end of the day apart from a select few to most people it's an old boxy Volvo estate that's past its best.
If Mr Buyer can find a 2001 car for £2000 why would he want a 1996 car for more? The 2001 car is more modern, a recent shape, more comfortable more economical, and generally a better buy.

**Flatout Phil** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 17:17

Originally Posted by cherry1809

Don't think it's the fuel knocking prices down myself.
I've had over 40 cars since passing my test, So I 've seen prices drop and rise of most.
I sold a Rally prepped RS2000 back in 1997 for about 900 quid, Today it'd go for £8k+.
Prices seem to go silly low before shooting back up. You don't see many Yank tanks going for Peanuts, And your doing well to get over 12mpg out of most of them.

I think you are absolutely right. My rationale when I got my R was that it would probably lose for a year or two, stabilise, then accrue, because essentially, it is a very nice example. MPG is largely irrelevant on cherished cars because the don't do high mileages. My feeling is that NICE T5R and R are in a crossover period where they are not yet 'collectors' cars but have ceased to be aspirational - so fall into the 'beam ends' sector of the market ie people owning them because it is all they can afford rather than because of an appreciation of intrinsic value. People in this situation will dispose of thirsty cars needing fixes apparently costing more than they perceive their car to be worth. VPCUK do appreciate that value! I think it will be a little while until the hot 850 become scarce, but when they do, I think the prospects are OK. Not sure they will ever be Mercedes SL but should keep their value and probably gain in value as time passes.

For me, I just like driving the old girls! DOn't care too much about the cost - although if I do find a suitable LPG conversion I might be tempted!

**Flatout Phil** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 17:26

Originally Posted by S70T5Chris

On the news this morning they were saying that fuel might go up as much as 30p a litre by the summer! £1.50+ a litre will be quite ridiculous!

On the one hand, there is nothing left for the country to flog off so I guess we have to find some way to pay the National Credit Card Bill. That said, I will be interested to see how the inevitable hung Parliament will bear voter discontent at this sort of price.

I can see fuel boycotting becoming a real possibility - but you can't leave it to other people. I allow myself £40 a week on fuel and that is that. If everyone who could cut their fuel-buy by 10% a week, or more, in a concerted way, it would send a powerful message.
I appreciate not everyone can do this.

**Tomcat** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 17:27

Your preaching to the choir here, look how long it took for me to sell mine, in the end I didn't get anywhere near what I wanted for it. It's a damn shame that these cars aren't fetching more money, it's a hell of a lot of car.

**JelT5** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 17:36

Originally Posted by Tomcat

Your preaching to the choir here, look how long it took for me to sell mine, in the end I didn't get anywhere near what I wanted for it. It's a damn shame that these cars aren't fetching more money, it's a hell of a lot of car.

Yep. I'm driving back to UK to check it out tmrw or Thurs TC, so no one else better buy it before my ferry docks at Dover!

**Tomcat** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 17:46

Originally Posted by JelT5

Yep. I'm driving back to UK to check it out tmrw or Thurs TC, so no one else better buy it before my ferry docks at Dover!

Mwa ha ha ha ha...... nah, I can't afford it anyway,lol.

**JelT5** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 18:02

Originally Posted by Tomcat

Mwa ha ha ha ha...... nah, I can't afford it anyway,lol.

Phew! That's ok then lol

I spoke to the owner and told him NOT to sell it otherwise there'll be a cheese eating surrender monkey hitman after him

Seriously though, going to have a peek tmrw avo providing there are no upsets with the ferries...

**cherry1809** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 18:14

Originally Posted by Tomcat

Your preaching to the choir here, look how long it took for me to sell mine, in the end I didn't get anywhere near what I wanted for it. It's a damn shame that these cars aren't fetching more money, it's a hell of a lot of car.

I'm still quite gutted about not getting that

**Tomcat** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 18:22

TBH I wish you had, at least I'd get to see something of it, as it is the guy that bought it isn't on here and he was a bit....odd.

**t5 pete** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 18:37

Originally Posted by Tomcat

as it is the guy that bought it isn't on here and he was a bit....odd.

I bet you two got on really well then LMAO

**Tomcat** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 18:39

Har...de.....har....har..... With friends like you who needs enemies?,lol.

**aeroresh** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 20:51

Mine's been doing 850 miles a week @23mpg

30p a litre more?.....

**telst5r** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 21:59

So what do you think my T5R is worth.95 Olive Green Estate.130k loads of History but in need of service/ MOT/Two front tyres/repair to glove box.Wheels will need refurbing got someone interested but has only ofered me £650 is this a fair reflection of it's worth.Bodywork is good but interior not so good.........

**The Flying Banana** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 22:05

Originally Posted by Flatout Phil

(Can't wait for the lists of great cheap but tough, big, hot estates I have forgotten).

At the end of the day a Volvo will never get an enthusiast reception that will bump its priceup, i doubt even in many years it will either, they just dont have the following of a Cossy or an RS etc. Its sad but true, even the yellow ones dont fetch a fortune, i would be lucky if mine made £1500 and its a tidy one. As for other estates, i have a 540 V8 BMW Touring, its wayyyyy better than the Volvo in the build dept, it has a better power delivery and once rolling the BM is quicker but the petrol premium of driving the 540 quickly is horrendous but hey ho it sounds the biz

**The Flying Banana** · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 22:08

Originally Posted by telst5r

So what do you think my T5R is worth.95 Olive Green Estate.130k loads of History but in need of service/ MOT/Two front tyres/repair to glove box.Wheels will need refurbing got someone interested but has only ofered me £650 is this a fair reflection of it's worth.Bodywork is good but interior not so good.........

even breaking it is not always an earner now compared to the hassle, if its rough sell it on and get it out of your life, 650 in your pocket vs spending a fortune on it + time and hassle ....I know what i would do