Setting the timing - S60R

[Hunter]

Hi,

I'm having a replacement 2005 S60R engine fitted to my 2004 S60R. My car was running some kind of remap before it developed the problem that prompted the replacement engine. Is there a set standard procedure for setting the timing on the S60R, because the guys who have done the work say that, having set it up on the timing marks, it's not running cleanly. Any advice would be gratefully received

Thanks in advance,
Brian

[t5 stealth]

hi,
when you say "not running cleanly".... what do you meen,
reason i ask is these models have a vvt valve i think,
there is a problem with it sticking & causing poor running etc,
the cure is to clean it out thourally (i cant spell that lol)

[Al115]

Off-topic I know, but can you shed any light on the reason your engine went bang?

Hope you get it sorted soon.

[Hunter]

hi,
when you say "not running cleanly".... what do you meen,
reason i ask is these models have a vvt valve i think,
there is a problem with it sticking & causing poor running etc,
the cure is to clean it out thourally (i cant spell that lol)

Running rough at idle and cutting out. You're right, it's got VVT on the inlet and exhaust valves. I suspect they've not set the timing correctly which is why I posed the question. The engine is clean. Thanks for your reply

[Hunter]

Off-topic I know, but can you shed any light on the reason your engine went bang?

Hope you get it sorted soon.

Didn't go bang, was just losing water which turned out to be a split liner in No.2 cylinder. Cheap option, believe it or not, was to buy another motor.

[t5 stealth]

if the timing was wrong or out then the engine would trash itself as its an interferance engine,meaning valves hit pistons etc,
im guessing its something else,have you read the codes.

[Hunter]

if the timing was wrong or out then the engine would trash itself as its an interferance engine,meaning valves hit pistons etc,
im guessing its something else,have you read the codes.

Just spoken to the guy whose mechanics are doing the work - he suspects one or more valves on the replacement motor are already damaged Time for the head to come off ... So much for the assurances given by the seller

[t5 stealth]

Just spoken to the guy whose mechanics are doing the work - he suspects one or more valves on the replacement motor are already damaged Time for the head to come off ... So much for the assurances given by the seller

oh....then yes the timing is wrong.
im assuming codes were read,ie not missfires or coil failiure rather than valve damage.
sorry to hear it mate if its fatal,

[RT MECHANICS]

Didn't go bang, was just losing water which turned out to be a split liner in No.2 cylinder. Cheap option, believe it or not, was to buy another motor.

Sorry to here this Hunter thats the fourth R i have heard of in the last two years with split liner in number 2 i guess the R manifold is not as good as everyone likes to think...

Hope you get it sorted it sounds like the VVT is not right have they got the cam locking tools to set them or Vida/Vadis to check the timing etc ?

Russ

[p fandango]

Sorry to here this Hunter thats the fourth R i have heard of in the last two years with split liner in number 2 i guess the R manifold is not as good as everyone likes to think...

even 1993 Volvo admitted that using a 2.5 left the cylinder walls too thin which is why the T-5 engine was made as a 2.3. Perhaps thats more to do with it

[RT MECHANICS]

Didn't go bang, was just losing water which turned out to be a split liner in No.2 cylinder. Cheap option, believe it or not, was to buy another motor.

even 1993 Volvo admitted that using a 2.5 left the cylinder walls too thin which is why the T-5 engine was made as a 2.3. Perhaps thats more to do with it

Maybe

[t5 pete]

russ are our liners pressed in or are they cast in with the alloy.
cheers pete

[Hunter]

Sorry to here this Hunter thats the fourth R i have heard of in the last two years with split liner in number 2 i guess the R manifold is not as good as everyone likes to think...

Hope you get it sorted it sounds like the VVT is not right have they got the cam locking tools to set them or Vida/Vadis to check the timing etc ?

Russ

Don't know. I've asked the question. They're good at what they do - been looking after my cars for about 7 years - so won't be beaten. At least I have most of another good engine to cannibalise for spares

Thanks,
Brian

[Hunter]

Maybe

Hmm, that looks familiar Mine wasn't quite as bad, just a 2mm crack from the top, barely visible to the naked eye, but enough to let the water in.

[RT MECHANICS]

russ are our liners pressed in or are they cast in with the alloy.
cheers pete

Hi Pete

They are cast in i have some picks i had taken when my liners were cut out of my block to see whats needed to sort it i will try to find them

Don't know. I've asked the question. They're good at what they do - been looking after my cars for about 7 years - so won't be beaten. At least I have most of another good engine to cannibalise for spares

Thanks,
Brian

Hmm, that looks familiar Mine wasn't quite as bad, just a 2mm crack from the top, barely visible to the naked eye, but enough to let the water in.

Each one i have seen looked the same i am sure your garage will sort it all ok

Russ

The kiss of death with any of the R's is water use and a missfire from cold

[t5 pete]

that would be great russ cheers

[Hunter]

Well, finally got my car back today Ended up finding another engine with only 19k miles and transplanting that. Dropped in the cams from the original engine which had all the timing marks on them. Not given it a run yet, but I'm assured it's running well.

Just need to work out what to do with the old engine. Two thoughts ... 1) Get the block fixed with Darton liners and have a spare engine to play with when the S60R becomes my track car or 2) flog off all the good parts from the original engine, e.g. everything exept the block. Decisions, decisions ...

[RT MECHANICS]

Well, finally got my car back today Ended up finding another engine with only 19k miles and transplanting that. Dropped in the cams from the original engine which had all the timing marks on them. Not given it a run yet, but I'm assured it's running well.

Just need to work out what to do with the old engine. Two thoughts ... 1) Get the block fixed with Darton liners and have a spare engine to play with when the S60R becomes my track car or 2) flog off all the good parts from the original engine, e.g. everything exept the block. Decisions, decisions ...

Thats good news what was the problem with the rough running ?

[Hunter]

Thats good news what was the problem with the rough running ?

Not entirely sure. I suspect the timing was a smidge out. However, the good news is that no damage was done. After that, dropped in the cams from the original engine to ensure the timing was OK. Took it for a run this morning without incident so fingers crossed. I think a few of the shims need matching between the new head and the old cams as there's a wee bit ticking but it's not bad. Nice to be back

[Hunter]

Thats good news what was the problem with the rough running ?

Sorry, not been around much lately. Thought I'd update the post ...

Rough running was just down to crap fuel - car had been sitting for 5 months and I suspect the V-Power either went off, or some water had got into the system. That tank of fuel resulted in some rough running, dropping to 4 cylinders occasionally on the overrun, 'check engine' light coming on, etc. Since filling up with quality fuel, I've now been running the car for over 1000 miles with no issues at all. Back to full health and big smiles all round

I'm now thinking about fixing the original engine, having Darton liners fitted to fix the split liner problem, and putting it back in the car. I'll then have a guaranteed good 20k miles complete engine for sale if anyone's looking

So, who should I speak to (in the UK, please ) about getting the original block re-linered with Mr Darton's finest?

Thanks in advance,
Brian