Annoying Issue - is this normal?

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 08:56

I haven't owned my car long (2002 S60 T5 Geartronic) and I've noticed an annoying issue while driving. If I'm cruising along, and take my foot off the accelerator for any amount of time, then press down again, theres a big judder as if the car wasn't even in gear? This happens in man mode or auto. Is this normal? Any help would be great.

Thanks.

**cornclose** · Friday 20th November 2009, 09:59

I'd recommend you have;

a) Gearbox oil flushed/changed

b) TCM software updated

You may find your issues will go away...

**wegal** · Friday 20th November 2009, 10:03

Does the 2002 model have the gear neutral issue ? If so a software update will fix it.

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 10:03

It's as if when I take my foot off the accelerator it disengages the clutch, then when I accelerate again the clutch jumps back in very unsmoothly. Is this just my imagination?

How much am I looking for the above at a dealer?

**cornclose** · Friday 20th November 2009, 10:20

Not sure, but my 2001 had the 'gear-neutral' issue (sometimes called 'auto-neutral').

A software update to stop it has improved things imeasurably.

**cornclose** · Friday 20th November 2009, 10:21

But don't underestimate how much of an improvement the ATF fluid change can make too...

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 10:32

Volvo want £57 for 30 minutes diagnosing, then they can tell me if the software is out of date or if there is anything wrong at all. I'm a bit hesitant going into this.

**cornclose** · Friday 20th November 2009, 10:51

Take it to a suitably equiped independant. Where are you located ?

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 10:52

I'm in Milton Keynes.

**cornclose** · Friday 20th November 2009, 11:01

Not sure what/who to suggest then mate. The problem, if there is one, won't go away on it's own though and will require you to bite the bullet and spend a little £££'s if it bugs you enough.

Rather than paying for a diagnosis, you might be as well just to instruct someone to change the ATF fluid.

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 11:02

How much does that usually cost? I doubt they can update the software without first knowing what it's currently running?

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 11:07

Which ATF do I need? I may try and change it myself.

**cornclose** · Friday 20th November 2009, 11:41

Volvo dealers will pretty much always charge you for getting off their arse. Independants not always as mean. Unless you can find a friendly Volvo dealer....

Some independants don't have access to Volvo software though (is it actually possible, anyone?) so my TCM is updated with Autologic code.

You'll need to use the geuine Volvo ATF fluid for Geartronic, not cheap, but then neither is a new gearbox if the wrong stuff is used and it goes bang...

Rufe on here will give you the best price I should think.

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 11:46

Do you think it's worth just asking for a ATF change and software update and going from there? I haven't had any dealings with volvo before so I'm not sure how strict they are with 'we must diagnose it first'.

**cornclose** · Friday 20th November 2009, 12:46

If I were them, I'd do anything that the customer asked. But you'd have to sort that out with the dealer (whoever it is).

All I can say is that an ATF flush/change and software update have sorted these kinds of issues out for myself and others.

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 14:55

Volvo are calling me back with a quote for the ATF flush/change and software update.

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 16:06

Volvo want £187.70 to do the ATF change and software update, just over an hours work. Is this correct?

**cornclose** · Friday 20th November 2009, 16:37

Sounds about right time wise. Can't remember the cost of the ATF fluid, I think when I bought some it was £60+ just for a partial change. Check if they've quoted for a partial or full change of fluid.

**MattM** · Friday 20th November 2009, 16:43

Well I asked for a flush/change but I was told it was a drain/change.

**Storm-Troll** · Friday 20th November 2009, 18:00

I HAD THAT ON MY S60 T5 oops.. caps... lol....only when taking the foot of the accellorator or puttin it back on, it did it when i first got the car about 6 months ago.... I was runnign it on normal Crappy unleaded..... the viking can vouch for its Jumpiness BUT after I started using V Power abour 2 months after I got it.... it has NEVER done it since.... not a splutter in 4 months.....