rica or bsr

[volvokid]

so why buy it for £300 its the same you just said

I think he's trying to say if you buy something knock off (not saying it is) it will affect the bigger picture.
I buy all my cleaning products from polished bliss I know I can get there stuff cheaper elsewhere but I go there because there advice is priceless, if everyone stopped going there for products they might stop that side of there business therefore no more advice to me, bang!! I would should my self in the foot...
It doesn’t always pay to be a cheap skate

[cameron]

Hamish seems to be like Marmite, some people like him others hate him, its a loooooooooong story

Have a look about for some of the information or ask lads like s70t5chris

[volvokid]

Not been on this forum long, enjoy coming on here because people seem really helpful an not bitchy like some other forums i have been on, was i wrong?

They have there moments on here lol. I think it can be funny to read at times I hardly get involved its usually the same people you will find having a debate.

[colnotts]

you hit the nail on the head there cameron.

[colnotts]

very true volvo kid lol.
feel sorry for the poor fella who started the post .

[volvokid]

very true volvo kid lol.
feel sorry for the poor fella who started the post .

To be honnest I havnt read it lol, I was having a flick through T5D5 and thought there could be trouble a stir which lead me to here lol.

As soon as i seen the title to this thread i knew it would end up turning, remap threads always do.

I'm just waiting to log on 2morro and see the paddlock on the thread.

[colnotts]

i know what you mean. its the same old story again and again.

[Loadsamiles]

As mentioned previously (If you'd bothered to read my reply), I am not aware of any email from RICA and therefore can't really have the opinion that this is as you put it 'Pirated software', I can only go on what I was told.

Enough of the swearing please.

The e-mail

Dear Joules,

To answer your question, HLM is no longer a Rica dealer and is no longer allowed to sell any Rica products.
So it is not a genuine Rica product.

Kind regards,

Roel jr

Van: Juxxxxxxxxll [mailto:joules@hotmail.co.uk]
Verzonden: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:29 AM
Aan: Roel van den Brink Jr
Onderwerp: RICA 280 / 305 Volvo ECU Upgrades.



Dear Sirs.

I am enquiring with regard to some Volvo motronic 4.3, 4.4 ECU upgrades being sold by an ex-dealer of yours in the UK by the name of Hamish Lindsay.

I have already had a RICA 310 ECU upgrade fitted to my ME7 Volvo V70 and am interested in finding out about some supposed Volvo 850 RICA 305 ECU upgrades being sold very cheap by HLM of Bromsgrove UK.

I have been pointed in his direction by various people with regards to a £150 GBP ECU upgrade that is being sold as either 280 or 305 version. I have not seen him use the RICA name, but people to whom he has sold these upgrades are claiming they are RICA, and have gained this impression by talking to him. By selling 280 or 305 upgrades there is suficient implication that they are the RICA 280 or 305 product that he was selling when he was a RICA dealer.
HLM are selling these as exchange units, requiring the return of a similar ECU, which suggests that the returned ECU would be re-flashed and sold on as part of an on-going sales operation.

I therefore ask the following questions to help me make a decision on the matter.

1, Would HLM be legitimately selling a genuine RICA 280 or 305 ECU upgrade that buyers can be confident carries all RICA support?

2, Could HLM be selling off a surplus stock of genuine RICA ECUs?

3, Is this £150 a genuine RICA supported price?

I would only be interested in sourcing genuine tried and tested ECU upgrades, so it's important to me to know I could trust what was being offered. Your replies to these questions would allow me to make a decision on this matter. I'd rather pay the correct price for the software than pay the price later in repairs.

This was where the upgrade was brought to my attention,
http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthre......7654&page=2

Thanks for your attention.

Joules.

[Loadsamiles]

Dear James Ross,

they are a Volvo file that has been slightly modified by Rica.


I have not broken any laws. Misrepresented any products or services.


Regards
Hamish.
www.hlmtuning.co.uk

Draw your own conclusions.

[leet5r]

I do not wish to be rude, but you can go out and buy a fair T5 for £300 pounds, so why buy a map for the car that is worth more than the car?

some 1 sell me a t5 for 300 quid please lol


sorry bad joke

[leet5r]

all i want for christmas is a remap lol

[T5-Andy]

I think he's trying to say if you buy something knock off (not saying it is) it will affect the bigger picture.
I buy all my cleaning products from polished bliss I know I can get there stuff cheaper elsewhere but I go there because there advice is priceless, if everyone stopped going there for products they might stop that side of there business therefore no more advice to me, bang!! I would should my self in the foot...
It doesn’t always pay to be a cheap skate

Absolutely right and additionally of course as I said before, there are on-going development issues to consider here as well. I do also worry about people who seem so hung up on paying such poultry sums for tuning a car. I would like to think that before anyone went about getting 1 more Brake Horse from an engine that they had ensured that the brakes, tyres, suspension, steering etc. were tip-top, someone who quibbles over a couple of hundred quid hardly strikes me as the sort who'd be prepared to spend the sums required to make sure all of the above is OK.

[Justin]

To be honnest I havnt read it lol, I was having a flick through T5D5 and thought there could be trouble a stir which lead me to here lol.

Says it all really, the thread stays open, thanks for all of the information to date

[storming]

Any one who is thinking about about HLM remap, but worry there are not paying enough can give there spare money to me via PayPal?

[jez.w]

You are very astute, no I don't.

Make no mistake, this is NOT personal but everyone here should be very wary of Hamish and his ilk, they WILL ruin the mapping scene, you may be aware that from the 2009 model year, Volvo (Bosch) ECU's have a full suite of security measures making tuning via the usual methods extremely difficult requiring huge sums in investment to gain access, why oh why would anybody make such an investment for what is after all a very small niche market when people are out there without any scruples whatsoever like Hamish who just don't care about the intellectual rights of the authors of this software???

Carry on and we'll all end up with either nothing or VERY, VERY little choice whatsoever, and when that happens-well no-one will be paying £150 per map nor £300, no when just one or two have the ability to produce this stuff you WILL pay £1000+, and just what is wrong with paying £300, it's hardly extortion is it? You pay more than that to insure your car EVERY YEAR without complaint.

As for people making mistakes, that is not the issue, it is what you do when you've made a mistake that is the measure of a man, and when tested Hamish was found to come up VERY short indeed.

Hope this answers your question, now if Hamish wouldn't mind answering mine?

Kind regards,

Andy

Im not being rude here but the above statement is absolute rubbish and this topic has gone on far too long, some people are very bitter about something??? These are legal maps owned by Hamish, but not being advertised as Rica anylonger. They will not affect modern cars which need expensive equipment to remap them. These are old cars which use old technology.The customer has the right to choose where he/she gets legal remaps for the best price!

[phil_woods]

I have no connections to anyone on here but if map isn't copyright protected and someone has the same product then it's fair game in my opinion. Also if someone is selling it cheaper then the competitor has to lower there prices which is good for the consumer aka fuel price wars. I don't see what the problem is with hlm, if you ask me rica perhaps should have put a patent on the map. Also hlm bought the map initially. Makes me laugh how people can moan and kick off on a forum but probably wouldn't have the guts to say things face to face. Take from that what you want. Sick to death of people bitchin on a bloody computer forum ffs.

[T5-Andy]

I ...but probably wouldn't have the guts to say things face to face...Oh, try me!!!. Take from that what you want. Sick to death of people bitchin on a bloody computer forum ffsSounds to me rather like you're the one bitching, I was having a productive debate based on fact.

[T5-Andy]

Im not being rude here but the above statement is absolute rubbish and this topic has gone on far too long, some people are very bitter about something??? These are legal maps owned by HamishAccording to whom-Hamish, don't make me laugh, but not being advertised as Rica anylongerNOT TRUE-see e-mails sent by Hamish. They will not affect modern cars which need expensive equipment to remap them. These are old cars which use old technologyAnd you somehow think that these are unconnected? Now THAT is rubbish.The customer has the right to choose where he/she gets legal?????!!!!! remaps for the best price!

I would imagine some people are very bitter and not without very good cause, you are either unaware of the facts or simply don't care I'm not sure which I'd think worse!

[jez.w]

I would imagine some people are very bitter and not without very good cause, you are either unaware of the facts or simply don't care I'm not sure which I'd think worse!

you need to chill out...............

[Colin850]

I normally stay out of these debates/arguements as it seems very obvious that some people just dont listen to any advice they're given regarding the dealings of HLM.
However i have to say i find this site a bit of a joke!
I'm all for free speech and the fact that everyone has their own opinions but how a forum can openly promote the selling of illegal remaps is beyond me!
Whether you call them HLM/RICA/modified volvo maps/whatever, it doesn't change the fact that HLM are selling somebody elses maps without there consent, that in my eyes is stealing!!