Policeman gets it wrong TWICE !!!!

[cameron]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCG4sieuUsE[/ame]

[flyingbrick]

What a wonderful job they do to keep us safe....

[Dangerous Dave]

How does he get it wrong?

Lorry driver shouldn't have been in 3rd lane, there was no traffic there at all, wierd.

[cameron]

If you watch the lorry was moving over as it narrowed down to a 2 lane junction

The lorry driver should have looked, fair do's, but the police driver should have antisipated him moving over.

The lorry driver was going into his correct lane for the manouver he was doing but may not have looked, the police driver should have backed off when he seen the lorry moving over.

He even said himself he seen him moving over from a distance, so why not slow down, plus he never had his sirens or blues and two's on, only his headlights flashing, maybe the lorry driver thought he was flashing him across, as he was indicating

[Flatout Phil]

The commentary says he has more accidents than most. I think we can see why. That old red mist - disaster waiting to happen. I think he is letting his side down badly being seen like this - nobody is perfect, but this guy really comes across as a sanctimonious plonker. Self-justifying, self-important, not the sort of copper I pay my taxes to look after me. Loads of good uns out there in traffic (neighbour is retired Police instructor - some good stories there) - although I have to say I see some AWFUL Panda car driving in London - pity he seems to think he is so great.

[T4FLY]

Don't see why the lorry driver needed to move over into lane 3 the first place. Nightmare situation passing a vehicle at that speed and for that to happen! Not sure that the Blues and sirens would have made any difference.

[Dangerous Dave]

There was nothin in the second lane.

[Rnash2002]

Sod the police man what about the poor Volvo!!!

[cameron]

Yeah nice big gouge out the side of it, still it could have been a lot worse.

Lucky it had the bars along the side or he could have been under it

[Wobbly Dave]

The commentary says he has more accidents than most. I think we can see why. That old red mist - disaster waiting to happen. I think he is letting his side down badly being seen like this - nobody is perfect, but this guy really comes across as a sanctimonious plonker. Self-justifying, self-important, not the sort of copper I pay my taxes to look after me. Loads of good uns out there in traffic (neighbour is retired Police instructor - some good stories there) - although I have to say I see some AWFUL Panda car driving in London - pity he seems to think he is so great.

I agree that the police officer should have anticipated the move and at the very least put blues and twos on as he approached the roundabout. The sign clearly visible in the vid and it is likely that the lorry driver was anticipating turning right. But it is odd that the lane 3 disappeared later on just as the impact happened - so why would the lorry driver need to come over so far, unless he was unfamiliar with the junction.

PC Speedy not just assumed that the lorry wouldn't move to lane 3, especially if turning right at the roundabout. Lorry driver should have used mirrors better. I think it was 1/2 and 1/2. Legitimate use of high speed comes with even greater responsibility.

I feel there was some element of "collar at all cost." in combination of some pretty poor observation from the HGV driver.

Funnily no mention of prosecution was seen in the vid?

[p fandango]

if you look at the previous road sign it looked like an island was coming up, maybe the truck was preparing to turn right at the island

as the police car caught him on a sweeping left the truck driver would of had most of his vision of the police car blocked by his own trailer

not once in that video despite the empty motorway did the police car use the left/inside lane

didn't think he needed blues & two's while doing lmost twice the speed limit?

[The Flying Moose]

if you look at the previous road sign it looked like an island was coming up, maybe the truck was preparing to turn right at the island

Funny thats exactly what the lorry driver said! I know that road too well and that junction is particularly poor as the motorway ends at a roundabout which is just after a corner.

Second accident with the spin though could have happened to anyone and he did control the car well to keep it in lane 3.

[wellsy]

should of had blues and twos on at that speed , as cameron said the truck driver may have thought flashing headlights meant for him to pull across .
the copper should have known the lanes narrowed to 2 at that point and adjusted his speed accordingly .
i dont think flashing headlights at that speed are enough of a visual alert to other motorist's should have had blues on .
maybe they should give him a car thats a bit less crash friendly than a volvo and see how brave he is then with his high speed driving

[bsr295]

best vid ive ever seen thought plod was perfect........result shame about the volvo though.

[p fandango]

shame about the volvo though.

wonder if someone on the forum has got it now lol

[Dangerous Dave]

Oh yeah my bad, there is a roundabout. But he still went into lane 3 when there were still two lanes left.

But then what the hell was he doin at 130 mph on the approach to a roundabout?

And, the video says that his headlights were flashing, but there's no reflection off the roundabout sign or on the back of the lorry. But when he turns the siren on, the reflection is noticeable on the lorry and every sign, Hmmmmmm interesting.

[p fandango]

And, the video says that his headlights were flashing, but there's no reflection off the roundabout sign or on the back of the lorry. But when he turns the siren on, the reflection is noticeable on the lorry and every sign, Hmmmmmm interesting.

i hope your no trying to say he was telling fibs, like when he was questioning the driver asks him how he didn't see him with his police lights on & points to the roof mounted blues which are now flashing after the crash

[Cubes]

i hope your no trying to say he was telling fibs, like when he was questioning the driver asks him how he didn't see him with his police lights on & points to the roof mounted blues which are now flashing after the crash

If you notice, he puts the blue lights and sirens on after the collision so as to pull the HGV over. He'd even said prior to that he'd had only his flashing headlights on before the crash. Whether the HGV driver mistook them as a "Come on out" gesture is irrelevant for 2 reasons:
1 - Depends if they were flashing alternatively;
2 - Flashing headlamps are a signal to indicate your presence on the road, not to be read as a signal to pull out.
As a professional driver, the HGV guy should have been checking his mirrors more often. If he was then he should have realised that if the car's not there for the first check, but is for the second, then it must be approaching at some speed, right? Something else he should have taken into account.

Also, why would the cop want to use the left hand lane???

[p fandango]

If you notice, he puts the blue lights and sirens on after the collision so as to pull the HGV over. He'd even said prior to that he'd had only his flashing headlights on before the crash.

when he's talking to the HGV driver at the side of the road (while not wearing a hi-viz) after stopping him he asks "how he didn't see a police car with its lights on approaching", trying to insinuate he'd got his full blues on which he hadn't at the time of the collision

Whether the HGV driver mistook them as a "Come on out" gesture is irrelevant for 2 reasons:
1 - Depends if they were flashing alternatively;
2 - Flashing headlamps are a signal to indicate your presence on the road, not to be read as a signal to pull out.
As a professional driver, the HGV guy should have been checking his mirrors more often. If he was then he should have realised that if the car's not there for the first check, but is for the second, then it must be approaching at some speed, right? Something else he should have taken into account.

as i said earlier the HGV's mirrors would of mainly been full of his own trailer as they were on a sweeping left which wasn't helped by the police car being even more on his blind side by sticking to the middle lane. Plus the speed difference would between the truck doing 56mph & the car doing 130mph wouldn't of left him much time to do anything

Also, why would the cop want to use the left hand lane???

because it was empty, the highway code says to always keep left (except if in a BMW lol) & there was no reason for him not to, if there had been a sliproad & risk of cars pulling out then i can understand it

[Cubes]

"because it was empty, the highway code says to always keep left (except if in a BMW lol) & there was no reason for him not to, if there had been a sliproad & risk of cars pulling out then i can understand it"

LOL re: BMW comment!!

Re: Mirrors - The cop car would have been visible in the HGV's nearside mirror.

Re: Choice of lanes - Advanced drivers are taught to position your vehicle to allow for the best/farthest view of the road ahead. On a left hand bend that is out to the right.

I disagree with you comment about the cops 'insinuation' because that is your interpretation of what is said. Maybe he was a little ambiguous, but to me there was no insinuation.