Remapped t5 Vs V70R/S60R

[Justin]

I do know an MTE mapped car cracked a liner, other than that no idea.

I didnt say i didnt agree, the OP asked for info, to the best of my knowledge all of the tuners quote around 330bhp with a map, they cant all be wrong mate.........

[shemtek_racing]

so a development car cracked a liner? isnt that the whole point of a development car?

any others?

[shemtek_racing]

I do know an MTE mapped car cracked a liner, other than that no idea.

I didnt say i didnt agree, the OP asked for info, to the best of my knowledge all of the tuners quote around 330bhp with a map, they cant all be wrong mate.........

did you say the same when chiptuning was advertising 310bhp from a t5 with just a map?

a consistant 330hp from just a map on an R is not possible

[Justin]

Like i said, thats all i know of, feel free to furbish us with others, as you seem to know more about it

[p fandango]

I do know an MTE mapped car cracked a liner, other than that no idea.

oh i think that hit a nerve lol

so a development car cracked a liner? isnt that the whole point of a development car?

any others?

developement car or not, it cracked a liner so it was obviously a weakness

[p fandango]

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[shemtek_racing]

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look at the date i joined and when that was posted? i had no otherway of knowing other than what i read like most of the people on here. but since then i decided to instead believe what you read go out there and get first hand experience....

[shemtek_racing]

no nerves hit here mate to me a delelopment car will run hardware/software that is still in development so its very likely it came across a bad tune at some point. what mods was it running?

can you tell me who was maintaining the MTE car that cracked a liner? id like to hear from the owner of this car say why they think it cracked a liner as i believe he his a VPC member

i know an MTE equipeed car which has done over 5000 track miles, been to The Ring, and gotten through 4 sets of brake pads in the last year because of the amount of track usage its had, and its been 100% reliable!!!

pedro do you know why it is that stock R (and focus ST) engines have been splitting liners - yes it is a known weakness but it does not need tuning to push it over the edge - the cars just need the most basic of things fitted, a boost gauge!!

over boosting from air leaks is a common cause which again points to inproper maintenance.

i get the feeling theres abit of R bashing on VPC from people with no direct experience of them which isnt really fair to say the least.

[p fandango]

look at the date i joined and when that was posted? i had no otherway of knowing other than what i read like most of the people on here. but since then i decided to instead believe what you read go out there and get first hand experience....

do you not think that the original posts you read concerning the problems were based on someone's first hand knowlegde, or do you think someone just decided one day "i know, i'll make a humour up about weak cylinder liners?" & just happened to be quite close to the mark

[shemtek_racing]

like i said i would like to hear this from the person who has first hand experience as you do not.

look at my previous post:

"yes it is a known weakness but it does not need tuning to push it over the edge"

so clearly i am not saying there isnt a weakness. what i am saying is a car that is properly maintained and properly tuned should not stress the liners in the first place.

[p fandango]

no nerves hit here mate to me a delelopment car will run hardware/software that is still in development so its very likely it came across a bad tune at some point. what mods was it running?

totally agree the car won't be 100%, but what component was it that failed first? So doesn't that make it the weakness of the engine

i know an MTE equipeed car which has done over 5000 track miles, been to The Ring, and gotten through 4 sets of brake pads in the last year because of the amount of track usage its had, and its been 100% reliable!!!

is that running 430bhp?

pedro do you know why it is that stock R (and focus ST) engines have been splitting liners - yes it is a known weakness but it does not need tuning to push it over the edge - the cars just need the most basic of things fitted, a boost gauge!!

over boosting from air leaks is a common cause which again points to inproper maintenance.

yes i had read that, if something so simple is the cause of so much damage then i defo aint getting one lol. Imagine how bad there going to get when the cars get old & the pipes start going hard & perishing, you'll be having to replace all the pipes every 2 years just to save the engine. Were obviously not talking mayor airleaks here or the ECU would of thrown a fault & gone into limp home

i get the feeling theres abit of R bashing on VPC from people with no direct experience of them which isnt really fair to say the least.

the R was never going to win my heart in the first place as i'm not a fan of 4 wheel drive, & after all the bad press gone around following the launch it hasn't been the exact flaghship it was intended as has it. Never had any problems when the 850 T-5R came out

[p fandango]

like i said i would like to hear this from the person who has first hand experience as you do not.

have you got an S60R then?

look at my previous post:

"yes it is a known weakness but it does not need tuning to push it over the edge"

so clearly i am not saying there isnt a weakness. what i am saying is a car that is properly maintained and properly tuned should not stress the liners in the first place.

back in 1993 Volvo experimented with making the first 850 T-5's a 2.5, even the press release states they changed there mind about this & made a special 2.3 block becuase of issues with the cylinder walls & thinkness between them. Now i don't believe for a minute Volvo had a problem with airleaks or even "proper tuning" on the test engine they made, so there obviously is an limit to what can be got out of them reliably.

[Justin]

no nerves hit here mate to me a delelopment car will run hardware/software that is still in development so its very likely it came across a bad tune at some point. what mods was it running?

can you tell me who was maintaining the MTE car that cracked a liner? id like to hear from the owner of this car say why they think it cracked a liner as i believe he his a VPC member

i know an MTE equipeed car which has done over 5000 track miles, been to The Ring, and gotten through 4 sets of brake pads in the last year because of the amount of track usage its had, and its been 100% reliable!!!

pedro do you know why it is that stock R (and focus ST) engines have been splitting liners - yes it is a known weakness but it does not need tuning to push it over the edge - the cars just need the most basic of things fitted, a boost gauge!!

over boosting from air leaks is a common cause which again points to inproper maintenance.

i get the feeling theres abit of R bashing on VPC from people with no direct experience of them which isnt really fair to say the least.

I believe the owner of that car is in Japan. Where is this car thats done 5000 miles of track and who owns it, proof please.

The cars are splitting liners because "The liners are thinner and weaker on that engine" what causes it really is irrelevant, they split because they are too thin.

R bashing, lol. I have owned 2 S60R's and loved them both, yet due to this very issue moved to Audi for more power, i didnt want to risk the thin liners cracking!

You seem to be very defensive of something, yet wont say what, you seem to have all the answers yet you have shown none of the evidence of what you stated....whats the agenda here?

[irf]

its no secret, pretty sure shems referring to pyaaps S60R, not sure how to prove 5k track miles but i've been with him to the ring and been a passenger at a trackday as have many others on different days. On the day i was there the car hardly rested. One driver would go out(there were three), come back in, engine wouldn't turn off and then the next person would take it out. Only rest it got was at lunchtime. I put some pics up on t5d5 somewhere justin, have a look lol.

[cornclose]

& after all the bad press gone around following the launch it hasn't been the exact flaghship it was intended as has it.

As an R newbie, what was this bad press ? Is it all relating to the AWD system and the failing transfer boxes ? Or is the cracked liner issue more prevelant than it appears to be ?

[stephenevans99]

Sorry to interrupt, but as someone with very limited mechanical knowledge, can I ask what symptoms a S60 R would show if the liners were cracked or split?

Steve

[Justin]

its no secret, pretty sure shems referring to pyaaps S60R, not sure how to prove 5k track miles but i've been with him to the ring and been a passenger at a trackday as have many others on different days. On the day i was there the car hardly rested. One driver would go out(there were three), come back in, engine wouldn't turn off and then the next person would take it out. Only rest it got was at lunchtime. I put some pics up on t5d5 somewhere justin, have a look lol.

No further explanation needed irf, i had no idea pyaap was in an S60R. Whats the car running?

[irf]

Afaik an MTE map, water injection and i think a full exhaust, think because it's very quiet in the car. Somehow i forgot that i've actually been to 2 trackdays with him, castle combe and goodwood.

[p fandango]

As an R newbie, what was this bad press ? Is it all relating to the AWD system and the failing transfer boxes ? Or is the cracked liner issue more prevelant than it appears to be ?

the AWD was issued at first but the main slagging off i recall was the over exaggerated 300BHP claim

[Jimmie]

but the main slagging off i recall was the over exaggerated 300BHP claim

Doesn’t all manufactures and some owners do that also ?.