thats the point chris for the money its not worth it
whos McCableties sound good i what one of them.lol
thats the point chris for the money its not worth it
whos McCableties sound good i what one of them.lol
You're right.
On paper the 19t performs better, and maybe it does a smidge. But hardly noticable in the real world.
To compare mine and Warrens (volvolised/KVO) car. Basically the same spec, but he has a 19t. In terms of HP/Torque - very similar. On the road/track, theres nothing in it.
Is the 19t worth the extra money - NO!
well done lol
i'm lost, ignorance of what?I know it's not a secret, i'm jesting. If you want to live in blissful ignorance thats up to you!
can you post some of these facts up then please, so far all i've seen from you is "i don't think the fuelling can be right"Its just my prediction thats all. Most of what i've said is based on fact. I can see the dyno plot, and interprit it, and therefore can make comments based on that!
where have i said anything about what the 16T can or can't do, what i did say is Volvo choose the 19T for a reason, & considering its so "over-rated" i would be just as interested to know whyGood question. But are you saying that a 16t can't easily produce 265bhp?
don't the T-5's use KKK series turbos like the R's? I doubt i'll be seeing Mick again, but i'll make a note of the question for you & see if he can shed any light on itWhy did volvo not use the 19t on the S60 T5 then? I can't answer that question really, maybe Mick knows?
if you actually look FFM hasn't got that many mods (no offence Paul), he's still running a standard CAT, standard backbox & airboxA few yes, but not massively more than FFM's mods.
if the aim was to see who can put the other to sleep first then yes you win, congratulations you've won a bananna lolDoes that mean I win?!
Pop corn at the ready what a night of entertainment
You have no idea what the fueling is doing? All you now is that some geezer called Mick said it's ok! If thats good enough for you...i'm lost, ignorance of what?
If you'd like to go back through some of my previous psost on this thread you will see where I have expertly analysed the dyno graph, giving my opinion on where and when torque and power levels come into play.can you post some of these facts up then please, so far all i've seen from you is "i don't think the fuelling can be right"
It's what you implyed when making your commenst about using the 19t on the 265bhp V70R.where have i said anything about what the 16T can or can't do, what i did say is Volvo choose the 19T for a reason, & considering its so "over-rated" i would be just as interested to know why
Only after 2005 did the S60 T5 use a KKK turbo. Up until then they still used a 16t. If there's anything else I can help you with let me know...don't the T-5's use KKK series turbos like the R's? I doubt i'll be seeing Mick again, but i'll make a note of the question for you & see if he can shed any light on it
V70R manifold, 19t, 960 throttle body?if you actually look FFM hasn't got that many mods (no offence Paul), he's still running a standard CAT, standard backbox & airbox
mmmmm I like bananas.if the aim was to see who can put the other to sleep first then yes you win, congratulations you've won a bananna lol
ps, im getting good at the multquote thing aint I.
p fandango (Friday 15th May 2009)
Fecking hell - you're new one for £500 was a one off, you were lucky to get it at that price. You were in the right place at the right time so to speak!
Did he pay £100 for it? Thats how much I paid for my low mileage 16t.
Don't forget the custom remap you'll need for a 19t...
Theres the new 19t's on ebay for £500 delivered
i do enjoy a good banter & hope everyone is taking it as lighthearted as i am & intending it to be
We don't all have to agree on everything.
But i'm right...
that'll be Mick who owns this place http://www.hitechmotorsport.co.uk/index.htm, so yes if he's happy then thats good enough for me
i did actually say they were gentle during the lower rpm's because of the clutch slipping, i hope that doesn't affect your "expert" opinion on it too muchh lolIf you'd like to go back through some of my previous psost on this thread you will see where I have expertly analysed the dyno graph, giving my opinion on where and when torque and power levels come into play.
i'm an 850 man so not really cared about anything after them tbh so thanks for your info, can you knowledge go as far as to help with a suggestion as to why Volvo preferred the 19T tho?Only after 2005 did the S60 T5 use a KKK turbo. Up until then they still used a 16t. If there's anything else I can help you with let me know...
exactly, not a huge list is it (again no offence Paul)V70R manifold, 19t, 960 throttle body?
glad i could helpmmmmm I like bananas.
i'm impressed, where will your talents endps, im getting good at the multquote thing aint I.
As t5-pete has posted they are readily available at that price, i can't see any reason why the country of origin should be of any concern (you do know your car was imported from Sweden don't you? lol)
no it was more than £100, perhaps "You were in the right place at the right time so to speak!" lolDid he pay £100 for it? Thats how much I paid for my low mileage 16t.
WRONG lolDon't forget the custom remap you'll need for a 19t...
To be truthfull if i had the money i would and cannot see why they should be any difference from anywhere else also the japs enginering is pretty good.
As to import duty i havent got a clue but how much do they sell for over here.
Also if i were to do a turbo upgrade i would also preffer to fit a new turbo as to one that has covered a good few thousand miles.
I'm not really sure how this detriated into a 16t v 19t agument. I'm not saying the 19t is crap. But IMO it's not all it's hyped up to be, certainly not without an appropriate remap.
The only reason I got involved in this thread was because FFM made a statement saying that you could fit a 19t, and without a remap get as good results or better than with a remap. After looking at the graph of his car. I disagree.
Do I or don't I get involved.....sadly I have opted yes.
Why remap over FPR and MBC...well....because it is safer...better? who knows....safer....I would say so, raising the fuel pressure at the rail is good for geting more fuel through the injectors, but they have to be large enough to accept that much fuel otherwise the duty cycle goes all over the place....aim for 80% DC and you should be laughing
If you are going the MBC FPR route then it is safer to get an AFR guage too and check out those figures, also an EGT guage is lovely when going to a bigger turbo.
In short....I am going Garrett so I will beat a 19T and 16T
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