Which Remap?

[Justin]

Here we go again..........Same usernames, same agenda. Can we take one on the chin, take a deep breath, let our arms dangle and raise noses, then slowly walk away from this now please, Its all well documented, has been discussed more than Wilko's winning drop goal and we are are all so bored of it

[S70T5Chris]

[Mrsmopp]

You really should get out more if this is your interpretation of fun

[S70T5Chris]

You really should get out more if this is your interpretation of fun

[mikouk]

Care to show us an AFR plot of a pre-PPC RICA phase 2 car?????

I've seen many a dyno operator wince at those re-maps.

I don't want to cause trouble but what do you mean by this? I'm afraid I am oblivious to the previous discussions about this as I am still quite new. Are you saying that the PPC RICA upgrade is no good and doesn't increase the power? Although I'm sure it does as my car is like a different car now. Sorry if I'm opening up a massive can of worms but I've spent a lot of money on my RICA upgrade and I want to make sure its money well spent. It would be good to hear all sides sensibly if poss. PM me if you don't want to cause a big argument.

[Justin]

Although I'm sure it does as my car is like a different car now.

You have answered your own question.

Chris, What she said^^^^

[mikouk]

You have answered your own question.

Point taken. I just wish people would back up their claims. Especially for people like me who do not have a degree in engineering and don't understand the hidden meanings etc.

[Mrsmopp]

Point taken. I just wish people would back up their claims. Especially for people like me who do not have a degree in engineering and don't understand the hidden meanings etc.

Essentially the story goes something like this.......

Original RICA remaps off the shelf (not PPC) are thought to be a fairly decent jobbie although there have been some concerns over cars with the remap running lean - to date I dont think we have anyone with a standard map who has had major (ie car killing) issues (I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong)

Rica "custom" maps done by a company called VolvoTuning have had mixed results, some very very expensive results (ie ChrisS70T5) and the general concensus seems to be if you need a custom map then use another brand (I think)

So far I dont think (and again I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am wrong) there have been any issues with the PPC RICA.

In a nut shell

[Dangerous Dave]

Well said MrsMopp. Nice and to the point.

[S70T5Chris]

Essentially the story goes something like this.......

Original RICA remaps off the shelf (not PPC) are thought to be a fairly decent jobbie although there have been some concerns over cars with the remap running lean - to date I dont think we have anyone with a standard map who has had major (ie car killing) issues (I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong)

Rica "custom" maps done by a company called VolvoTuning have had mixed results, some very very expensive results (ie ChrisS70T5) and the general concensus seems to be if you need a custom map then use another brand (I think)

So far I dont think (and again I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am wrong) there have been any issues with the PPC RICA.

In a nut shell

Bang on, good job summing it up. We'll save this post for the next Remap thread !!

[Saaamon]

These threads always provide some good entertainment lol.

[Azza]

OK, so not wanting to stir this up any more, but just so i understand a bit better... Surely if you're having a "custom" map, which is going way beyond what the standard re-map achieves, then surely it's down to how that re-map is applied and not the re-map itself ?

Being from a software background, i could liken it to writing code for doing a job, the code itself may be written very well, it's just how it's applied to different situations that makes the difference, if that makes any sense ?

[Mrsmopp]

Rica "custom" maps done by a company called VolvoTuning have had mixed results, some very very expensive results (ie ChrisS70T5) and the general concensus seems to be if you need a custom map then use another brand (I think)

OK, so not wanting to stir this up any more, but just so i understand a bit better... Surely if you're having a "custom" map, which is going way beyond what the standard re-map achieves, then surely it's down to how that re-map is applied and not the re-map itself ?

Being from a software background, i could liken it to writing code for doing a job, the code itself may be written very well, it's just how it's applied to different situations that makes the difference, if that makes any sense ?

See above

[cornclose]

See above

I think that means 'yes'.

From the RICA website :-

Is the RICA performance software inside the PPC the same as what I would get if I had the ECU upgrade installed at a RICA agent without a PPC?


Yes. Whether you have the RICA PPC, or whether you go to a RICA agent to have the ECU upgrade installed via OBD2 without a PPC, the RICA performance software installed in your car is exactly the same.

[cornclose]

Rica "custom" maps done by a company called VolvoTuning have had mixed results, some very very expensive results (ie ChrisS70T5) and the general concensus seems to be if you need a custom map then use another brand (I think)

Surely this can't be true then. If a custom remap, by very definition, turns out to be an expensive mistake then you can't blame RICA for it any more than you could blame MTE or BSR etc if the custom map happened to be using one of their standard maps as a base.

If I went on to a customer's system and reprogrammed it and changed the way it worked, and ultimately something broke, who would get the blame ? Me, or Microsoft (as I happened to be using their Visual Studio package at the time) ?

[Mrsmopp]

As far as I am aware there are no RICA agents who do "custom" maps anymore, hence using a different brand?

RICA PPC is not a custom map its an off the shelf job that no one has had any issues with as far as I am aware.

I tell you, you try and make it simple and folks have to make it more complicated

[cornclose]

As far as I am aware there are no RICA agents who do "custom" maps anymore, hence using a different brand?

Do you mean there are no agents who do custom remaps based on a RICA base map ? Which is not the same as what you've just stated...

I'm not trying to complicate things, but I'm trying to get to the facts which seem to have been missing here for some time, because whenever it gets mentioned it seems you either have to have a masters in reading between the lines, or have been party to the original (now lost since the crash) discussions many moons ago.

I and many others have neither, so when this kind of subject comes up, we may have a particular interest in it.

[mikouk]

i'm not trying to complicate things, but i'm trying to get to the facts which seem to have been missing here for some time, because whenever it gets mentioned it seems you either have to have a masters in reading between the lines, or have been party to the original (now lost since the crash) discussions many moons ago.

I and many others have neither, so when this kind of subject comes up, we may have a particular interest in it.

exactly!

[Azza]

So it sounds like :

Standard re-map, use any company/brand, each have their own merits.

Custom re-maps, don't use RICA, as RICA themselves don't advocate manipulation of their software above the standard re-map.

[Mrsmopp]

Do you mean there are no agents who do custom remaps based on a RICA base map ? Which is not the same as what you've just stated...

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Pardon??????

It really isn't complicated and there are no "facts" as such just different people with different experiences (some good some a million miles from good) the general concensus that has been formed over the years is as follows (I think)

If you want a standard off the shelf map than there isn't an awful lot in it between the many companies that offer base maps.

If you have lots of modification and need a custom map then thats a whole other ball game and you should seek advice from people who have had direct experiences.