VT's Dyno day!

[TangoDeltaSierra3]

So is somebody posting a simple list of car and power to save scanning thru the printouts ?

[volvotuning]

All the charts will be emailed to Justin as JPG files on Monday so no need to scan anything in. The dyno computer makes life easy in this respect!

Adam.

[chriskay]

Nice to meet everyone; thanks to VT & Dave (running on low gas). Fitted my new plug lead set today. I'll swear I could have changed an engine in the same time 30 years ago. Oh well, that's old age for you. (Need a smilie of an old fart leaning on a Zimmer frame)
Cheers, Chris.

[jp850R]

Hi all, a very big thank you to everyone sat, especially vt and dave for the great food. It was my first time meetin lots of people off the forum and what a great bunch (thanks all), it was also my first time at a rollin road, wat a brill day in all, after travelling 140 odd miles up there was made very welcome and was very impressed with the 228 from my stock 855R.

Cheers mikej.

Many thanks all,jon

[Vikingxl]

Just a quick hello to say it was good to meet a few of you on saturday at volvo tuning.I couldnt stay long due to working the night before but had a good time.Thanks to justin for the stickers (now in the car) and to dave850r for the springs which will hopefully be fitted soon.Cheers

[siamblue]

Hi guys, big thanks for the guys who organised the day to special thanks to Dave for BBQing and entertaining.

I was very pleased with my jet fighter exhaust note and 266wbhp

Looking forward to doing it again with the action movie special effects fan - to stop the darn heat soak making my ME7 cry.

Thanks all, nice to see you again !

Chris

Hi All,Wow what a Saturday and Sunday i had, It was great to meet you all again,Midlands Hospitality is totally different to what i am used too, You guys seem to really pull off these great meets, Many thanks to everyone involved, A fantastic day, Chris's C70 noise was something else, Mark's Black C70 was absolutely gorgeous even though it was dirty lol,

Will see you all at wobbly's BBQ, I am sure he won't run out of gas next time,HAAHAHA.

[MattV70]

Well what can i say, i think everybody's said everything that i was gonna say! It was nice to meet you all finally, thanks to VT for the cracking day, and wobbly for the catering.

I was well impressed with the 234 ponies from a stock engine. Can't wait for the result once it's Rica'd!

Thanks to all, and i'll look forwards to the same again later in the year!

[Ian C70T5]

I thought the day was great, VT were the bests hosts you could ask for. Clear safety instructions, after that their usual great standard applied to the day..

Food was very very good, cheers chef Dave..

I was disappointed with the power reading, but felt better knowing that the car suffered heatsoak and didnt peak properly above 4500, last RR i done it peak powered at 6108rpm.. Definately be back when the big fan is in..

RR is VERY impressive, no messing about, drive on strap DRIVE and drive off.. Very awesome..

Great to meet everyone, put faces to names etc.

After seeing/hearing chris' C70 I WANT A 19T Turbo... I WANT I WANT!!!

[Andrew]

Hmm after hearing about all this stock cars with higher numbers than my RICA'd beast I'm beginning to feel a little disapointed in the old girl...

[volvotuning]

Yours is auto remember. And besides, we can do diagnostics on the dyno if you want, but wait for our bigger fan to arrive.

Adam.

[Andrew]

Yours is auto remember. And besides, we can do diagnostics on the dyno if you want, but wait for our bigger fan to arrive.

Adam.

Yes it's an auto but would you expect it to loose upto 79bhp through the box and other little bits?

I've sent you a pm regarding the diagnostics.

[volvotuning]

Yes it's an auto but would you expect it to loose upto 79bhp through the box and other little bits?

I've sent you a pm regarding the diagnostics.

One of my customers took a bog standard S60 T5 250 bhp to PE for a dyno run, and it came out with 150 bhp @ wheels. That's 100 bhp loss according to their dyno. Not saying that they're right or wrong, but autos do absorb much more power than manuals.

Adam.

[SaffronC70]

After seeing/hearing chris' C70 I WANT A 19T Turbo... I WANT I WANT!!!

I was suprised at the noise it made ! As far as I knew, it was quieter than standard when I was driving around !

Wish I had a cam corder (que Guy for his next DVD!)

Chris

[Andrew]

Yes but that's power engineering - hardly fair when it comes to autos! Anyway we digress sent you PM lets get this thread back on track. I did enjoy the day just disapointed in the old girl not VT!

[Wobbly Dave]

Andrew,
In many respects you and I have very similar cars. We both have new turbos, new/recon AT boxes amd a Stage 1 RICA remap. Agreed?

I ran a ~220 bhp at the wheels, you ran ~230 bhp. These figures are still pretty awesome.

/RANT ON:

IMHO you need to experience and drive a lot more T5's to understand the difference. I am lucky - I have seen both sides of the coin. I have driven/ragged the arse off many a T5, and to my way of thinking there is so little in it - I really wouldn't lose any sleep over it. A torque converter will amplify the torque coming from the flywheel! That is a god given fact which is why ATs are quicker off the mark. When you get to the top end there is some loss which you do not get with the manuals. I really do not wish to get into a pissing contest with the manual drivers - god know I love both sets of transmission. You just cannot beat the point and shoot capability of the autos. I spent some considerable time with Gary (siamblue) doing a change over on of suspension all 4 corners. I drove his car (S70 T5) around Brum and had a great time. In the power band you really do fly. If you are not in the power band the thing moves like a dog!
I got berated by Simon Lock (855T5r - now banned!!) for trying to tune an auto? WTF - I can get closer to stuff from the line than anyone else. I have 2.3 second 60FT times which is pretty damn awesome for a lump of red swedish metal. Please Please don't be down on the old girl. I know that Adam does not like the ATs anyway - or at least dyno-ing them. They are a bugger to dyno properly BTW so big applause to VT for doing a proper job. Why else would I lend my car over to them for a full afternoon for them to practice?

Ask Gary about my car.
Ask Justin about my car.
Both were very complimentary about the immediacy of the power!!

So as I see it...It really boils down to personal pref. There is sooo little in it - maybe the MTs have slight power edge but not much - it really doesnt matter. Top end silly speeds then yes - you are right - go buy a manual. Traffic jams and the real world then I would rather save the cramp in my left leg.

Dont be so hard on the old girl. FFS you have a car over 100K old and it is still capable of outstripping most of the cars on the open road!!


RANT OFF\

Next time some bully boy in his CTR/Scooby tries it on - destroy them and smile

Just ENJOY!!

[mulletboy2]

Just to add to Dave's rant a little... Nookie hit 243whp on the dyno, and yet only a week or so ago, Dave and I went and had a little play on a private road, and we were literally bumper to bumper for a good 1/4m, until I decided that he was probably holding back so that he didn't go up my ar5e-end...

Aside from the valid points above, you also have to bear in mind that torque is the more important figure, not bhp, and that a peak value means relatively little in the greater scheme of things

[Justin]

Well said lads, couldn't agree more.

[Wobbly Dave]

I have added some more to my rant above. I fitted the ATF after cooler to AC's car and it is an awesome car. I would appreciate some MT perspective on this - so if J would oblige his own experience*???

*(based on his own test drive of the 850R auto last week)

I am getting a bit over wrought by this - but I really want Andrew to believe in that car!

[Justin]

Each to their own, its personal preference, however after driving yours the other day Dave, its an eye opener, so smooth and powerful, the point is that you can never get a true bhp figure from an auto, Daves made 220 bhp @ the wheels, however it would only produce 1 bar on the dyno, as opposed to 1.2 on the road, figures mean nowt, get out there and show the scoobies how its done, then see how ya feel

[Wobbly Dave]

Cheers J. You are a Gent. I hope Andrew you feel somewhat more confident in the old girl!