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    oil in intercooler

    hello, just registered here today,hopefully someone will be able to help.

    my dad has recently purchased a 2000 v70 t5.

    on the crossmember below the outlet for the intercooler was alot of grime.it looked like condensed oil vapour if you catch my drift.

    he took it back to the dealers and they told him it needed a new radiator.You'll have to forgive my dad here, hes never had a turbocharged car before and thought it was the raditor.

    to cut a long story short they cleaned up the oil and told him they replaced a seal.

    he gets home and the outlet is leaking oil at quite an alarming rate.

    there is no smoke from the exhaust so it appears the oil is not finding its way into the inlet manifold.

    my questions are these(excuse my ignorance i've never had a turbo before).
    1.should there be any oil in the intercooler at all?
    2.are most modern turbos oil fed, do they have oil seals within the turbo?
    3.anyone know what turbo they run?
    4.whats the average lifespan of a turbo?

    i remember from my vw g60 days that oil in the boost pipes isn't good.does the same apply to turbos?

    he has only had this car a week and has been majorly messed about.having to buy replacement keys and alarm fob which have yet to be coded.

    i need a bit of info before i resort to violence on the dealer

    cheers
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    I would get an independent survey of the car done, and if its not upto scratch and from a garage i would take it back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin
    I would get an independent survey of the car done, and if its not upto scratch and from a garage i would take it back.


    Where are you in the UK ?
    basingstoke in hampshire.the car was bought from pgi in farnham last saturday.

    i've told my dad to get straight onto them and get his money back.the car is under warranty but i reckon he should cut his losses now.alarm bells are ringing quite loudly now. i should imagine turbos = mega bucks.

    anyone else had a nasty experiences with pgi?

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    Definately get it looked at independantly, then get back to the dealer with a no messing complaint.

    Oil actually leaking out of the intercooler is definately bad, even a decednt wettign of the intercooler from oil is bad, never mind enough to run out, however, I'm surprised it isnt smoking if theres that much oil in the intercooler, as soon as it comes on boost I would have expected it to lift the oil up and draw it into the intake. Are you sure it isnt coming from elsewhere, ie a leak, and looking like it is coming out of the intercooler? I have no idea where the outlet and inlet of the cooler is on a T5, or its relation to anywhere oil could be leaking for so you'll have to excuse me if that seems like an odd question.

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    well an independant volvo specialist and a main dealer have both confirmed that there shouldnt be that much oil in the intercooler.

    both said there should be an smaller amount of oil.mainly like condensed oil vapour.

    pgi said it was a leak from where the transmission fluid enters the radiator immediately next to the intercooler outlet.its a little bit worrying that they couldnt tell the difference between fresh engine oil and transmission fluid.

    both the main and independant dealers suspect it could be either a blocked breather in the cam cover or its oil left over from a previous incident with the turbo.

    there is definately no smoke from the exhaust.i'm guessing that it must also be losing boost pressure. if oil can get through then i assume air is too.

    the car drives fine and feels powerful enough.should you feel a 'kick' when the turbo kicks in? at what sort of engine speed should the turbo kick in?

    the car has gone back to pgi and they are going to remove all the boost/breather pipes to try and find the problem.

    if it persists then the main dealer have offered to investigate and bill pgi for the work.if pgi agrees that is.if not its refund time hopefully.its a shame really because its a mint car and my dad was more than happy with it untill this happened and has soured his faith in the car and pgi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alby
    well an independant volvo specialist and a main dealer have both confirmed that there shouldnt be that much oil in the intercooler.

    both said there should be an smaller amount of oil.mainly like condensed oil vapour.

    pgi said it was a leak from where the transmission fluid enters the radiator immediately next to the intercooler outlet.its a little bit worrying that they couldnt tell the difference between fresh engine oil and transmission fluid.

    both the main and independant dealers suspect it could be either a blocked breather in the cam cover or its oil left over from a previous incident with the turbo.

    there is definately no smoke from the exhaust.i'm guessing that it must also be losing boost pressure. if oil can get through then i assume air is too.

    the car drives fine and feels powerful enough.should you feel a 'kick' when the turbo kicks in? at what sort of engine speed should the turbo kick in?

    the car has gone back to pgi and they are going to remove all the boost/breather pipes to try and find the problem.

    if it persists then the main dealer have offered to investigate and bill pgi for the work.if pgi agrees that is.if not its refund time hopefully.its a shame really because its a mint car and my dad was more than happy with it untill this happened and has soured his faith in the car and pgi.
    I know this is a while ago but did you get anywhere with PGi over this problem? I'd be interested to hear the outcome of this story.
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    You got your own personal vendetta going on there swede?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iGGy
    You got your own personal vendetta going on there swede?
    Vendetta? No. Rescue mission to stop anyone else suffering? Yes.

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    the car spent more time in the workshops than on the road. they supposedly rebuilt the whole engine and diagnosed it as a problem with the piston rings. the workshop manager was worse than useless and kept no record of the work completed on the car. every time it went back they never knew what had been work had been carried out on it from its previous visit.

    in the end they agreed to swap it for a 2004 v40 sport lux diesel (the t5 was raping his wallet at the pumps) so all was well for a little while. the t5 went back on the forecourt the next day and was sold again within the week. i hope the new owner got the benefit of all the work carried out.

    the v40 has been back twice already. once for an electic window fault which was eventually sorted by the local main dealers (alan gibson) for a labour only charge. volvo picked up the bill for the parts as its a common fault apparently.

    the second time was for a cracked inlet manifold. this wasnt covered by the pgi waranty as it happened over 30 days after purchase and wasnt covered by the standard 12month warranty issued by pgi.

    the whole experience has been a nightmre to be honest. he still has no confidence in the current car and is just waiting for the next thing to go wrong.

    I am unhappy with the treatment I have received from PGI
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    Quote Originally Posted by iGGy
    You got your own personal vendetta going on there swede?
    It appears swede has a one man crusade against pgi,probably be easier to phone and make a complaint in the proper fashion - try not to use the word scumbag though-not polite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew
    hmm 2 negative issues for PGI then recently. The thought of the T5 back on the forcourt so quickly is especially worrying. Perhaps post the reg so people are warned ?

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    Last edited by Wobbly Dave; Monday 30th October 2006 at 21:13. Reason: Caps lock - no need to shout

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVEY263
    IT APPEARS SWEDE HAS A ONE MAN CRUSADE AGAINST PGI,PROBABLY BE EASIER TO PHONE AND MAKE A COMPLAINT IN THE PROPER FASHION - TRY NOT TO USE THE WORD SCUMBAG THOUGH-NOT POLITE
    Hmm, Welcome to a nice friendly forum

    I note that Swede's other thread has been removed/deleted... If Swede genuinely did issue a summons and the actions that he said took place then he should IMHO post the judgement & other associated paperwork.

    Oh and SHOUTING is rude

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    Hopefully Davey263 keyboard affinity for the caps lock will be sorted sound.
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