oh yeh manufactures have been doing it for years (i remember they only recently finding out the press Jaguar E-type was made of aluminium), but perhaps Volvo went a bit too far which is why it was picked up onQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmie
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oh yeh manufactures have been doing it for years (i remember they only recently finding out the press Jaguar E-type was made of aluminium), but perhaps Volvo went a bit too far which is why it was picked up onQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmie
By how much did they go O/T? They bloody feel fast and surely cant be that far out are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by p fandango
i've no idea what the true figure is, but reading on others forums i don't one has reached the 300bhp on an independant dynoQuote:
Originally Posted by volvokid
it is true they dont quite seem to make the 300hp out the box but get pretty close.Quote:
Originally Posted by p fandango
no pedro i dont have an R. 3 of my firends do though. we are all agreed the liners are not as strong as the 2.3 engines. but that isnt what im trying to put across.Quote:
Originally Posted by p fandango
as said by irf i am reffering to pyaaps S60R which has been completely reliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
justin the 430hp R is from singapore not japan. just saying that the liners are thinner and weaker is hardly a valid point we already know this. i asked why people have split them? further more the casue is far from irrelevant! thats like saying the casue of bent rods in a T5 is irrelevant.
you said you moved away from the R's because of this issue did this happen to you?
my agenda? quite simply to put across my opinion which has been made from expereince and not from what i have read on the internet.
justin - you've asked for evidence but i dont see any from you your pedro
the angle gear was a recall to be fixed/updated and i personelly havnt heard of this being an issure sinceQuote:
Originally Posted by p fandango
evening pedro, glad you agree about the possibility of it not being 100%. i will agree that it can be a weakness under certain circumstances like in the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by p fandango
pyaaps car makes approx 330hp IIRC there is a graph on t5d5 if you would like to have a look. CLICKY
the hoses on an R are pretty much identical to those on my T5 (p2) and there is no evidance of them ever being changed in my cars history which has done 160k and hasnt had any boost leaks in the 3 yrs that ive owned it. again a boost gauge would show any fluctuation in boost if a boost leak appeared so this need not be an issue.
im not trying to win you over pedro i am also a fan of 2wd. but most of the comments in this thread are from bad press and forum discussion. i would however consider an R in the future as the 4wd does work on track especially with track spec ARB's. i agree the car has gone under the radar but i dont think this is solely down to bad press.
The R cars are not perfect, but for what they cost now, I really can't see anyone getting a better standard Volvo package - handling is already there and brakes are already there, the only thing is engine performance and I know from experience it gives much more powerful cars like 911s and Merc AMGs are very hard time on track!
sorry if ive missed anything
can i ask again who was maintaning the MTE car that cracked a liner?
shem.
No need for further clarification, irfs word is good enough for me, as stated, i wasnt aware pyaap had an R :)
Thankfully niether of mine suffered the issue, although i had a blown turbo and and angle gear.
Evidence from me? I merely quoted the average power figures from the major tuners, the rest google is the culprit not myself :)
Thanks for clearing your points up though :)
I Did have an S70R.. But I Now Have the S60. sorry for any confusion... :sorry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmie
but that was the point raised against having an R compared to a normal T-5Quote:
no pedro i dont have an R. 3 of my firends do though. we are all agreed the liners are not as strong as the 2.3 engines. but that isnt what im trying to put across.
so just the one car has been able to get over 400bhp & fine with the liners? My car can boost to 20.8psi using the stock ECU doesn't mean they all canQuote:
justin the 430hp R is from singapore not japan. just saying that the liners are thinner and weaker is hardly a valid point we already know this. i asked why people have split them? further more the casue is far from irrelevant! thats like saying the casue of bent rods in a T5 is irrelevant.
but it was still a problem at launch which should of been tested/solved before released to the public, especially when this problem relates all the way back to the P1 V70R AWD. Thats why they got bad press about itQuote:
the angle gear was a recall to be fixed/updated and i personelly havnt heard of this being an issure since
nothing can be 100% reliable, anything under certain conditions will breakQuote:
evening pedro, glad you agree about the possibility of it not being 100%. i will agree that it can be a weakness under certain circumstances like in the above.
not exactly a prime example to prove the liner/bhp theory thenQuote:
pyaaps car makes approx 330hp IIRC there is a graph on t5d5 if you would like to have a look. CLICKY
so are you saying the hoses are weaker on S60R's as well now then?Quote:
the hoses on an R are pretty much identical to those on my T5 (p2) and there is no evidance of them ever being changed in my cars history which has done 160k and hasnt had any boost leaks in the 3 yrs that ive owned it. again a boost gauge would show any fluctuation in boost if a boost leak appeared so this need not be an issue.
thanks but my point before was that bad press has come from somewhere, yes you do get some info from people talking bs from competition trying to rob sales, or people covering up but can't see how this can be the case hereQuote:
im not trying to win you over pedro i am also a fan of 2wd. but most of the comments in this thread are from bad press and forum discussion. i would however consider an R in the future as the 4wd does work on track especially with track spec ARB's. i agree the car has gone under the radar but i dont think this is solely down to bad press.
but how many people what "a standard package", i don't think there are many cars on here that are stock. Agreed they are a bargain, but there are plenty of issues (ie must be 100% serviced on time) & when they do go wrong its going to costQuote:
The R cars are not perfect, but for what they cost now, I really can't see anyone getting a better standard Volvo package - handling is already there and brakes are already there, the only thing is engine performance and I know from experience it gives much more powerful cars like 911s and Merc AMGs are very hard time on track!
Yaaaaawn! no matter what i say pedro you and your little friend will question it and twist my words! i say that the s60r hoses are pretty much identical to my car and you say that im saying the hoses are weaker????????????????
i have accepted some of you comments and explained myself as well as i can. justin has acknowlodged what have been saying even if i did start off a little hasty but i did apoligize for that.
im very happy your car car boost to 20psi thats great have fun with it.
also my question about who was maintaining the mte car was never asnwered?
i know who it was just makes me laff that no one on here will say
also if your not servicing your car 100% on time then in my eyes your an idiot
well it has got to be one or the other, many people say its caused by BHP but you say its maintance. Sorry to disapoint you again but i have my own braincells, i'd be interested to hear who you think i'm in talk with tho?Quote:
Originally Posted by shemtek_racing
& i have accepted some of your comments, i just question the ones that don't add up thoQuote:
i have accepted some of you comments and explained myself as well as i can. justin has acknowlodged what have been saying even if i did start off a little hasty but i did apoligize for that.
oh don'tyou worry i'll be having great fun, that wasn't the point of my example thoQuote:
im very happy your car car boost to 20psi thats great have fun with it.
tbh i've got no idea about the MTE car, where it is what happened or who is in charge of it. Which is why i haven't refered to itQuote:
also my question about who was maintaining the mte car was never asnwered?
i know who it was just makes me laff that no one on here will say
thats an opinion your entitled to, i've seen cars serviced to the book & in worse state than my own (my S60 anyway lol) & tbh i've no idea what its service history is likeQuote:
Originally Posted by shemtek_racing
:-)
much better things to do than carry on with this.
the MTE car that cracked a liner was maintained by RT.
not servicing your car when within the required intervals is just stupid you crack on mate
night
& there we go, all becomes clear
So, to summarise, if I change my C70 T5 for an S60, I would look for the S60T5!!?? Would I regret getting rid of a perfectly running C70?
Try driving both that’s the easy answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adge
I think the R is far superior to the T5; the R looks better, handles amazing compared to any other Volvo and would eat a standard T5 for breakfast, its only when you are going into serious modifying the T5 would be better in the long run, a simple remap wont make a T5 as fast as an R. But its not just performance its the little R touches that make it stand way above the T5.
Im far from knowledgable on Volvos, but I run a standard T5 and have had a ride in an R. It didnt seem noticably quicker in the dry, although it could get get away from the line much better with the added traction. I imagine this is even more noticable through the winter, as with my front wheel drive you really have to get moving a bit before you can give it any serious power. What sort of power do get at the wheels on the standard versions. Im interested to know the diference in loss from the crank to the wheels.