Remapped t5 Vs V70R/S60R

I'm thinking about getting another volvo and was wondering if there was much difference from a mapped T5 (260bhp) compared to an R?
Anyone had or driven both? I know that a t5 is a better option for tuning due to the engine limitations etc but is there much difference between the two?
I know you get alot more toys on the R, but with the awd taking alot of the power it must be close??
you can get some nice high spec t5s for little money, saying that the s60r has come down in price considerably and is also a tempting purchase. Obviously running an s60r will be more than a t5.
Any info greatly appreciated!!

Mac

personally I would fore go the R trinkets and get a 2.4l late T5 (my2005 or later). Far more fun IMHO.

I have to agree with Dave... I Had an R which I Just got rid of.. and I now have an S60 T5. I have to be honest... I Prefere the T5 to the R. A Totally different ride and feels more powerful. I had the boost tested and Its running naturally Higher than normal. and it hasnt been tuned yet so it pulls like Lightening... I woudnt go back to the R now... I can tune my T5 to a higher degree than I Possibly could safely with the R as the R engine is just a Bored out T5 engine. but being Bored out... the engine will be weaker under stress as its been bored away... just depends if u want all the Trinkets or not...

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Originally Posted by Storm-Troll

I have to agree with Dave... I Had an R which I Just got rid of.. and I now have an S60 T5. I have to be honest... I Prefere the T5 to the R. A Totally different ride and feels more powerful. I had the boost tested and Its running naturally Higher than normal. and it hasnt been tuned yet so it pulls like Lightening... I woudnt go back to the R now... I can tune my T5 to a higher degree than I Possibly could safely with the R as the R engine is just a Bored out T5 engine. but being Bored out... the engine will be weaker under stress as its been bored away... just depends if u want all the Trinkets or not...

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I thought it was an S70R you had not an S60!.LOL

I concur with Wobble Dave. A late model 2.4 T5 S60 (260BHP), when ran back to back with a S60R on a volvo test day. I found the S60 T5 just as much fun, and they remap well .

depends on how much you want the 4wd gubbins or not ( not for me ta)

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Originally Posted by Jimmie

I thought it was an S70R you had not an S60!.LOL

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Same here?????

I would stick to the RS6 :)

However, I would agree an Volvo R would be better, and hold its money better at resale than a T5 that you stuck a couple of grand in modding.

Think I will be keeping the RS aswell:), just looking for a nice motor to use everyday and enjoy.Still got the t4 but its the wifes and she complains when I steal it!
What does the t5 remap achieve? 300? I heard 340-360hp was the max on an R with a map and down pipe?

As far as peak figures go - 330bhp crank for a late T5 is achieveable with those mods. At least that is what I have seen at HLM.

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Originally Posted by macV70R

Think I will be keeping the RS aswell:), just looking for a nice motor to use everyday and enjoy.Still got the t4 but its the wifes and she complains when I steal it!
What does the t5 remap achieve? 300? I heard 340-360hp was the max on an R with a map and down pipe?

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Indeed you are correct :)

The piston liners are thinner due to it being a bored out T5 lump and so any more than that and the risk of split liners goes up. 330bhp tuned by just about all of the companies, an extra 25-30 with the ferrita downpipe.

There are cars with claimed 400bhp but what other mods have been done i have no idea, as far as i know they are all in the US or Europe.

The difference is, whilst the power figures between the T5 and the R are not miles apart, the R would win all day long for me due to the 4wd, they just go as opposed to lots of smoke, new tyres often and not bad when they are rolling with the T5.

HTH ;)

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Originally Posted by Justin

Indeed you are correct :)

The piston liners are thinner due to it being a bored out T5 lump and so any more than that and the risk of split liners goes up. 330bhp tuned by just about all of the companies, an extra 25-30 with the ferrita downpipe.


HTH ;)

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what a load of ££££££££!

Which bit?

Nicely put, care to enlighten?

a remapped R will not make 330bhp nor will a remapped R with an exhaust make 360bhp! a remapped R with a full exhaust will just about make 330 and it wont be consistant without water injection or a better intercooler as the IAT will sky rocket.

Yes agreed, hence the bore cracking statement. However i am merely quoting publicized figures from every tuner in the world for these cars, perhaps you could choose your replies a little more carefully and state your opinion afterwards.

ok sorry about that reply......

but why post it if you dont agree?

im pretty sure there are R's running closed to 400hp without cracking liners as long as combustion temps are kept down it shouldnt be a problem unless u want 400+

infact ive just been made aware of an R running 432bhp / 600Nm on a stock engine

any cracked liners on modorately powered cars is down to bad tuning and/or poor maintenance

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Originally Posted by shemtek_racing

infact ive just been made aware of an R running 432bhp / 600Nm on a stock engine

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wonder how long that will last long

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any cracked liners on modorately powered cars is down to bad tuning and/or poor maintenance

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the cracked liners were a well known fault on the S60R & many tuners suffered from it, i believe even the Evolve democar suffered with it. If your starting with 300bhp & having to start doing extensive mods to get above 400bhp reliably i wouldn't call it a good starting block (no pun intended lol)

well its on 80k and 60k of them have been since tuned.

i know of t5 liners that have split running less than 400hp.

can you tell me which tuners suffered from it please?

who said anything about extensive mods? nothing extroidanary just the usual and a higher flowing turbo

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Originally Posted by shemtek_racing

can you tell me which tuners suffered from it please?

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Volvospeed might be able to help you out more, as already said the Evolve one springs straight to mind