Where is it , HELP please.

[v70tom]

anyone please.

i need to exchange the Throttle Position Sensor thingy n my V70.

anybody can point out where and what I am looking for please?
Picture would be great if possible.


its a 3.2001 V70 Automatic 2.4


Thank you

[Tim Williams]

It's the ETM on the passenger side of the inlet manifold, you will need a new gasket and it would be wise to have Vida.

[v70tom]

thanks. ill have access to a garage computer. should be ok

[Tim Williams]

If after changing it the car starts, stalls several times and then won't restart at all with that unit it will have the wrong software.

[v70tom]

erh. whats happens then ? how do i get the right unit then ? not spending money on volvo garage. if this gets into loads to finance volvo employees the car will get scrapped. sorry but i never go to the big market places.
i have a garage which the standard garage computer, reset service codes blah blah blah but i don't know what this thing can do and if it can do what i need.

but i defo not going to volvo.
they charging an arm and a leg just for looking at it and then try to sell some little eco potholes ££££ filler.
sorry for the rant but just the idea gives me anger.

i sourced the Part for affordable 27£. volvo said some about 146 which is ridiculous .

[v70tom]

Ok. do i have this actually right.
my mechanic said to buy a Throttle Positioning sensor which i ordered.

the computer reading saying

Air Flow Faulty flow ( which is Mass Sensor but i don't care of Emission )
Accelerator Pedal (AP) poistioning sensor faulty signal
Throttle Position ( TP ) Mailfunction
Communication with Throttle Unit Faulty Signal
Communication with Throttle Unit Faulty Signal

if this is something else, as what i ordered?

i never been without derivable Car in 35 Years and not intend having it but not able to drive as i need to keep the Galaxy then.
This V70 should be derivable on the Road by Saturday as someone want to collect the Galaxy.
cant do it in this case as I am not a Bus passenger.

is this a easy fix ?

[Tim Williams]

I don't fully understand what you're saying. The ETM I mentioned is the Electronic Throttle Module, the same part as you listed in your last post (Throttle Unit).

With the description you posted the ETM is the most likely cause, then the accelerator pedal.

[v70tom]

sorry if i confuse people now.

the reading on the garage computer was showing

Air Flow Faulty flow ( which is Mass Sensor but i don't care of Emission )
Accelerator Pedal (AP) poistioning sensor faulty signal
Throttle Position ( TP ) Mailfunction
Communication with Throttle Unit Faulty Signal
Communication with Throttle Unit Faulty Signal

i been told by the mechanic get a throttle positioning sensor which i ordered but this is a black module block and it seems it is the one as i asked where it is.

the symptoms on the car

the engine management light was on in yellow.
the car would not start once driven in a while unless disconnecting the battery for a moment and reconnect.
it would start and drive fine.

now i don't know what it actually is. because it seems this pedal sensor - if this is what i need is not to buy unless going to volvo which i try to avoid for money reasons.

but i need a car ready by Saturday as I need a Car running as fresh Air. sorry never been without a car for even one Day in over 30 years.
If i cant get the Part i need in time to get it fixed by Saturday i cant sell the Galaxy so one needs to be scrapped.

[v70tom]

right update so far.

i been and seen some friends with garages. no one can help as lack of original volvo data.
but i have one who said he can do more then the standard garage computers.
it looks different to.

at least he did not refer me to a replacement etm and volvo to throw my money in a bin and listen to there story's to make more money.

apparently he can reset and program on the volvo and other stuff to influence .
not sure but think is worth giving a try instead giving volvo my money.

i also was told to clean the ETM which i did. using carb cleaner
it was quiet black inside, now is clean and silver again.

put it back in started and it started straight away.

switched of, started again waited to get warm, was a bit ruff at first like missfiring.
after 15 min and 8 start sequences which worked on the dot it started to calm down and run on 1000 rpm instead 1100 tp 1200 like the first two times i started the car.

still not sure if it helped and the engine system service required is still on the board computer. hopefully my friend with the big black computer is able to help now.

the engine management light is off now. so i see this as progress.

i did not change anything because the throttle position sensor i ordered came today and don't know what it is but i cant see anything like that anywhere so its going back.


would, just in case, someone have a working etm for a 2001 v70 as spare ?


otherwise anybody with some suggestion which may help ?

Thank you

[M-R-P]

I've seen a few dodgy/dirty maf sensors throw throttle position sensor faults (me7 quirk I guess)

[M-R-P]

A faulty or dirty maf isn't just an emissions problem, it can totally screw the engine management into giving most of the symptoms listed above.

[jamesy12345]

Maybe some help to identify what is at fault
http://xemodex.com/us/pdf/ETM%20Flow%20Chart%2099-01-new-final.pdf

[v70tom]

Hi M-R-P.
i exchanged the MAF sensor after i tried to clean it first i seen on ebay one brandnew sold just around the corner. £ 23 - so yes - affordable acceptable price
fetched it installed it no codes came up.
started the car and ran ruff again. disconnected the battery for a moment started it again.
missfire sound for 1 to 2 minutes then 1000 revs. but still sound like missfire bewteen.

so Maf Sensor replaced. i got a Throttle Positioning Sensor which came today but nothing on the Throttle Body looks similar, so dont know what they send me and for what car it is. even ordered for mine.

ripping my hairs out here.
tried everything even told them so called volvo mechanics online to stuff there volvo crap telling me go to volvo.

sorry but i don't see the point paying for a 15 year old car loads of money especially to volvo as this fault is created by them apparently.

last chance i seen if nothing else works hoping this guy who told me he can remap volvos and all other things he can reprogram something or even a used Throttle body for me to put in for cheap.

[v70tom]

Maybe some help to identify what is at fault
http://xemodex.com/us/pdf/ETM%20Flow%20Chart%2099-01-new-final.pdf

Thanks i have a read through. I am not a mechanic and can only do limited repairs and checks but i give it a try.

[LeeT5]

Ok. do i have this actually right.
my mechanic said to buy a Throttle Positioning sensor which i ordered.

the computer reading saying

Air Flow Faulty flow ( which is Mass Sensor but i don't care of Emission )
Accelerator Pedal (AP) position sensor faulty signal
Throttle Position ( TP ) Malfunction
Communication with Throttle Unit Faulty Signal
Communication with Throttle Unit Faulty Signal

if this is something else, as what i ordered?

i never been without derivable Car in 35 Years and not intend having it but not able to drive as i need to keep the Galaxy then.
This V70 should be derivable on the Road by Saturday as someone want to collect the Galaxy.
cant do it in this case as I am not a Bus passenger.

is this a easy fix ?

Firstly, you need to calm down and stop ranting on about other stuff that is not relevant....it's bad enough, us English people trying to make sense of what you're saying, without you keep going off in a tangent talking about being a bus passenger, Eco potholes or the local Market!! :cuckoo: None of which makes any sense.

We all get that you're probably Polish or Czech??? Anyway, that's irrelevant.....the main thing is we ALL here to help, but you're not listening mate!

Our very own Volvo Guru, who splits himself between two main Volvo forums and leads an extremely busy life, has already given you wise guidance and advice. Clearly, you and your mechanic put together don't really understand what's happening to your car and you cannot interpret the codes properly.

The above codes, highlighted RED, indicate an internal fault in the ETM (Electronic Throttle Module). This is where Tim told you it was....."bolted to the side of the inlet manifold". If you and your mechanic don't understand that or your mechanic doesn't understand what a 'Throttle Module' is or doesn't recognise it, then the best thing you can do is shut the bonnet and drive/limp/recover the car to Volvo main dealer.

Secondly, to ignore the highlighted fault in BLACK is foolish! The car will never run correctly if this is faulty, dirty or not working as it should, and whilst it will affect your emissions, it will also affect your wallet and cost you more money in fuel, spark plugs fouling and other problems later on associated with incorrect fueling and air metering.

As Tim already told you....if you've ordered an ETM and it doesn't have the correct software loaded, the car will not run. This is why your more likely to require main dealer help on this occasion, as they have the facility to not only fix your car but they also have the facility to load the software correctly and reset adaptations to allow the ECM to relearn the new ETM and the car will then run smoothly etc.

If you cannot reset adaptations then you are wasting your time. (This is why you need VIDA/DICE) or a Diagnostic tool capable of resetting adaptations.

Does any of what I've said, make any sense to you or your mechanic?? If not, then we are all wasting our time and my only advice to you is to leave the car well alone before you do any more damage or waste any more of your money.
:)

[htomi]

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[v70tom]

First yes i am German. sorry but i cant change that.
second i understand the part of not ranting but i am fed up seeing loads of pounds spending to a volvo dealer as they only try to make £££ out of any old car because i don't buy a new one.

because i been on a Dealer and been told is more Emission Friendly buying a newer Model and theirs fully checked. what an answer about getting my Car running.

third yes i replaced the Mass Sensor yesterday
even i find Cat and other low emission things far over rated and only costing money.

i try not to go to volvo dealer themselves as i didn't buy a BMW for this reason ( BMW only ).

i try to get this damn ETM somehow fixed or working without getting £££ loss Volvo Dealers involved.

Sorry but the Car needed to be cheap otherwise i would go for a 3 Year old Van which i cant afford but i need Space. and the MOT History was good including Loads of Services up to 2015.
Finance Options are not my thing, i buy a Car i owe the Car not a Finance Company.

i hope i explained my situation.

[htomi]

Volvos aren't cheap either (compared to the famous German brands) when it comes to maintenance or service.
I suspect the check engine light was ON when you purchased the car correct?
This should have been a sing for you to either stay away or inspect the car properly with a mechanic who knows Volvos inside-out and able to assess what's required to repair it.
Service stamps are one thing, reality is another. Sometimes these two are far away from each other...

In addition to Lee's comments above, several parts would require software to be loaded by a Volvo Dealer or by a specialist who has official subscription to Volvo. The ETM is one of these. Neither of these will be cheap.
To help: you may want to connect to Lukas @ http://volvodiagnostic.com/contact/, he might be able to fix the ETM module.

[Tim Williams]

I understand your misdirected anger now, as a common courtesy please direct it where it originated from and then you could give feedback on the results. The anger is of no help but the feedback could be a positive contribution to the forum.

Your location shows as less than 30 miles from me, if you can safely drive the car I could spare a few minutes one day next week to have a look at it. If it is the ETM then I would just advise BBA Reman or a new unit from Volvo.

[Tim Williams]

I understand your misdirected anger now, as a common courtesy please direct it where it originated from and then you could give feedback on the results. The anger is of no help but the feedback could be a positive contribution to the forum.

Your location shows as less than 30 miles from me, if you can safely drive the car I could spare a few minutes one day next week to have a look at it. If it is the ETM then I would just advise BBA Reman or a new unit from Volvo.

[v70tom]

Hi Tim,
if you're Location is right i am about 10 miles from you.
If you could help, yes please any help welcome, i have no Time restrictions.

i may give an update.

THE ETM in the V70 is marked and already replaced how it looks.

but to give an update to the situation

i been now on 7 Garages and different Computer access for Cars, this includes a Guy who is tuning Volvos even the newer ones. but that.s all he can do with his computer so far.

the update:
Mass Sensor reading OK ( which was replaced now )
ECU reading OK
ETM reading OK ( it is working and can be read and no Fault on the ETM is coming up )
Missfire each Cylinder 0 ( even it sounds like it has )
and so on.
every Detailed reading came up ok

but there is an INTERMITTED Fault telling the Computer connection to Throttle Position Sensor Fault * something like that, sorry cant exactly remember what it stated )

and is reeving between 1000 to 1500 but not always.

i also been in Derby at the Volvo Dealer and this answer was more then a Joke.

Yes they prepared if i leave the Car here to check the problem and call me what needs doing but they do NOT release the Car if any other work would need doing including Safety check.

which i disagree because if i go to a Garage and ask them to do a Job i await they doing this JOB and not what they think they can make money with. its my decision who is doing the other Jobs.

sorry that is something which makes me angry.

o understand there some things they not cheap and yes i awaited to spend some money in it as you do in any Car but at least is usable.
if it cost me around £100 +/- > yes ok so it be, but not 500 to 600.

there is not even a second Hand ETM somewhere to source for decent money and guarantee it works. i don't have the money to try and loose more and more out on it.

to about prices and price range:
i calculated 1k for a decent good working car with some service history to rely on it.
it had service history up to 2015, yes not a guarantee but a fallback and the cam belt was done 15k back.
i know it needed steering lock stops which i ordered and it needs 4 tyres which i already calculated but not bought yet due not spending some in it i don't get back.
Further to my choice of Volvo was the Space an small Car which i do NOT like at all couldn't give, i have to get a Mobility Scooter in it plus Dogs.

I wasn't going to buy a Car with already ripped seats non working Aircon nearly out of MOT and dents all the way around for nearly 1 k and then start with it.

Insurance which is less then the Half of BMW and Mercedes.

My Track History of Vauxhal told me not to bother.

[v70tom]

Volvos aren't cheap either (compared to the famous German brands) when it comes to maintenance or service.
I suspect the check engine light was ON when you purchased the car correct?
This should have been a sing for you to either stay away or inspect the car properly with a mechanic who knows Volvos inside-out and able to assess what's required to repair it.
Service stamps are one thing, reality is another. Sometimes these two are far away from each other...

In addition to Lee's comments above, several parts would require software to be loaded by a Volvo Dealer or by a specialist who has official subscription to Volvo. The ETM is one of these. Neither of these will be cheap.
To help: you may want to connect to Lukas @ http://volvodiagnostic.com/contact/, he might be able to fix the ETM module.


Hi htomi.

the engine management light was on yes. but its said Engine service required which means to me ( had it before ) Oil plus filter, Air filter, Sparks and something like that. spend maybe 100 to 150 in it and its decent usable.

i don't know any Volvo expert, asking People i know in Garages they hardly seen Volvos and everybody thinks compare BMW VW and Mercedes they are Good Cars.
Also i had the V70 Mark 1 for 5 Years without big troubles and a V40 2000 reg for 4 years without big trouble.
comparing my experience with Vauxhall and BMW they more reliable and better build cars.

i send a contact request form to them guys you suggested and see whats coming back now. tried to call and was advised to do it by E Mail.

Also how can you tell the ETM needs a software to be downloaded for the Car as nobody can conform this on any Garage, they all telling me is plug and play?
Did actually someone use a Exchange Part and tried to see if this is truh or just a myth for Volvo skanging more money out of there customers ?

Sorry but i start thinking whats next because of my experience.

[htomi]

ETM module requires a software to be functional It is configured to the VIN number of the car. if you buy a virgin unit, then it needs to be configured to your cars VIN.

As a result of a quick search:
https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/volvos-electronic-throttle-module-fiasco

some info here:
http://xemodex.com/us/product/electronic-throttle-module-etm-pre-programmed-for-volvo/

Depends on the failure type, it might be possible to re-condition/repair the original ETM module of the car.
Several companies offer such service. To name a few, Xemodex (Canada), BBReman UK - also mentioned by Tim, Volvodiagnostic (UK).
Personally, I've dealt with volvodiagnostic and I know another forum member had positive experience with this company too.

[v70tom]

I found Xemodex but even the Prices i found, and the Service they offered are good, its the Shipping over. its around 50 additional each way.
which makes 100 already only shipping. plus 3 weeks until its back in the car ( on repair base )

If i would have 5k in the first place just to spend on a car i would look for a big car and big engine not older then 6 years. but i didn't have this amount available.

and considering Tyres plus some other bits and Bops i know i have to exchange i could live with additional about 150 spend on the car for running it for 2 years right now.
at the moment just getting this bloody ETM sorted, if i don't find any cheaper option the Tyres would stay on and no other things getting done just to drive the car to satisfy the spending.but even then 400 pound or even more is unrealistic.

I cant leave the Car standing and evtl get it running as i don't want and also cant rely on Public Transport. i need a Solution to the Weekend, any, somehow, safe or unsafe.


and don't forget i did look up about the V70s Mark2 as i didn't want the outdated Model this Time to keep it actually for a while.
i didn't see this problem when i looked, just how happy others been with this type.
otherwise i wouldn't even consider any of them which i know now i never buy a Mark 2 again.
All problems i found didn't seem different to other cars, even things like wishbones and Coil springs are affordable comparing Vauxhall or BMW.

All i need and want is to sort this problem to Tax this Car get the Tyres done and can rely on it until something ( normal ) comes up to repair or replace, i be happy with that.
so yes i understand an old car cost maintenance and i accept that. to a degree.

i Cant even find a second Hand one and then is the problem can it be reprogrammed if i find someone who don't ask for a leg to my Car so it works.

If i would know it is this Magnetic thing on it and it can be easy changed i would even do that. but the one i got send after i ordered it for this Car is something complete different and looks complete different.

[v70tom]

right i am not sure about this and if it saves me money to my problem.
i found how to get VIDA DICE on a Laptop or Notebook WIN7.

i do have an old Notebook with Win7 on it.
no use to me for anything.

can i get VIDA DICE on that one and would it be worth to save me money on this ETM problem buying this and this Reader thing?

But then is to wait 20 Days until i got it plus may more Days which i don't have.

( Just trying to see if there is a cheaper option as Volvo Dealers and 400 £. )

[Doingitsideways]

Best advice I think anyone here will give you, Fella...

If Tim has offered to have a look at it, go and see him.

If he was 10 miles from me, I'd be there every other day.

[v70tom]

yes i would but i don't want to step on his toes, so i hope i get an invite with a time it suits him as soon he can.


still looking for any way in the meantime. even maybe trying to repair it.

VIDA cost me around 120 £ but not closer to a solution and have to wait to get it.
someone on you tube offers repairs but is somewhere far away.
replacement sensor for this unit especially is hard to get hold to.

so back to square one and hope Tim has some Time and take it from there.

i just hope the Tyre quotes don't run out in the meantime too.:bud:
apart from the pain i don't insure and tax it until its running.

[htomi]

Look, as already mentioned above, don't waste more money, don't buy parts, tyres etc. Go visit Tim and he'll tell you what to do next..
Also it seems to me, there is a confusion in regards VIDA. Just to make sure you have the same understanding: It is a Volvo specific diagnostic tool and nothing else. It makes the troubleshooting process easier.

[v70tom]

morning htomi,
yes i know i read through the description.
and yes i wait until Tim contact me and see what he says.
and no not buying tyres for it.
in fact i think unless i get a good offer if the car is running again i drive on them i have.

[Doingitsideways]

Send Tim a private message and he'll receive a notification.

He's a busy man, but if he's offered, he'll tell you when to go and see him.

[LeeT5]

right i am not sure about this and if it saves me money to my problem.
i found how to get VIDA DICE on a Laptop or Notebook WIN7.

i do have an old Notebook with Win7 on it.
no use to me for anything.

can i get VIDA DICE on that one and would it be worth to save me money on this ETM problem buying this and this Reader thing?

But then is to wait 20 Days until i got it plus may more Days which i don't have.

( Just trying to see if there is a cheaper option as Volvo Dealers and 400 £. )

God help us! :wallbash:


Look, as already mentioned above, don't waste more money, don't buy parts, tyres etc. Go visit Tim and he'll tell you what to do next..
Also it seems to me, there is a confusion in regards VIDA. Just to make sure you have the same understanding: It is a Volvo specific diagnostic tool and nothing else. It makes the troubleshooting process easier.

:stupid:

Tom, can you also stop tarnishing the good reputation of Main dealerships. Just because you had a bad experience with the Derby dealer, doesn't mean ALL Volvo main dealers are the same.

There are two main dealers I know and trust, MRG Chippenham and Lipscomb Volvo Maidstone. They are both excellent dealers and are not in it to rip anyone off! So please, stop slagging off Dealers!!

[v70tom]

LeeT5
I am sorry to step on your Toes and i don't say all Dealer ships are the same but apart from my experience i seen tonnes of posts saying how Dealerships trying to make money repairing things telling customers things need doing .
Maybe your'e Lucky with your'e Dealers and I am not denying this.

I just have NO Volvo Dealer around here which is doing the programming on the ETM get the Money and not trying to make more from me.

But if it helps - fine i stop slagging them of but still not going to Volvo dealers.



And yes already Mailed Tim. just waiting to get an answer.