D.I.Y. S.O.S. for Wobbly Dave.

[stribo]

As those who have been fllowing Dave's build thread will be aware, he's suffered another set back with SSB. He doesn't have time to sort SSB, his house, attend to his 4 girls, and spend time with his long suffering wife, Ellen. As the car's build is quite specialist, I was thinking, rather than help Dave with his car, how about we help him with his house. Obviously this will have to have Dave's approval, and a list of jobs will need to be drawn up, along with a couple of dates, so as many people as possible can help, but at the moment what I'd like to get an idea of is people that would be willing to lend a hand, so anyone up for it, pop your name below along with a rough idea of your skills.

1. Stribo (Groundworks, basic plumbing, basic carpentry, basic electrics, capable D.I.Y.er)

[JamesT5]

Nice idea this, I'll get my thinking cap on. :D

[Jamest5r]

2-, Jack of all master of none willing to help and I'll get the beer's in :)

[MIKESC70T5]

Nice idea this, I'll get my thinking cap on. :D

We could bury you under the patio

[WOODY T5]

Any carpets wood flooring or vinyl need let me know; )

[Nealevo]

I'm a qualifed plumber..... You wasn't expecting that was you

[Jamest5r]

I'm a qualifed plumber..... You wasn't expecting that was you

And your car had heating problems for a year!!!!!!! :)

[claymore]

I'm a qualified Rolls Royce engineer and I can fix sewing machines, but I don't suppose those skills are any use on this occasion.

[Doingitsideways]

Where does he live?

I'm a builder, plumber mainly these days.
Can also wire, was a joiner for a bit, roofer... You get the picture.
Currently head bathroom fitter for an FMB Masterbond builder.
Also have an excellent vocabulary of swear words and a massive hammer :)

If he's miles away, I'd be up for mucking in for the day or 2 and maybe find somewhere to stay locally.
With enough notice, I'm sure I could work something out.

[Doingitsideways]

I'm a qualified Rolls Royce engineer and I can fix sewing machines, but I don't suppose those skills are any use on this occasion.

He might need to supercharge his toilet?!

[Nealevo]

And your car had heating problems for a year!!!!!!! :)

I'm not a auto electrician, I don't know what wires do!!!!!

[JUDGENINJA]

I hate DIY, but if it's a meet and for Wobbly I'm in for role of "general dogs body" and move rubbish around!!

[stribo]

Where does he live?

I'm a builder, plumber mainly these days.
Can also wire, was a joiner for a bit, roofer... You get the picture.
Currently head bathroom fitter for an FMB Masterbond builder.
Also have an excellent vocabulary of swear words and a massive hammer :)

If he's miles away, I'd be up for mucking in for the day or 2 and maybe find somewhere to stay locally.
With enough notice, I'm sure I could work something out.

I think he's in Telford.

[jamesy12345]

Great idea...I used to be able to weld if that helps! Otherwise champion tea maker (beat Graham to it)

Might be useful to know what jobs need doing on the house.

[Doingitsideways]

I think he's in Telford.

Not too bad. What, about 90 miles or so?

Yeah, count me in.
Like I said, give me notice. It's all about notice.
After 15 years, Mrs Sideways still doesn't get that!

[Doingitsideways]

Great idea...I used to be able to weld if that helps! Otherwise champion tea maker (beat Graham to it)

Might be useful to know what jobs need doing on the house.

Bring your Ma.
She makes a mean bacon buttie ;)

[jamesy12345]

Bring your Ma.
She makes a mean bacon buttie ;)

probably more useful to send her rather than me!!

[MoleT-5R]

general all rounder and easily able to do most building jobs from the ground to the roof, just got to finish some of them on my own house sometime....lol

[dtp]

I am city & guilds plumber. Gas safe registered in all domestic appliances and willing to help Dave. Two years ago the first time I met Dave, it was at a vpc meet. I had forgotten my wallet and Dave offered to lend me some money for my lunch. He didn't know me from Adam but offered because he is a genuine bloke. I'm in.

[Santa]

I know my way around B&Q and make a bostin cuppa

[Wobbly Dave]

The main job is to cut a 6 inch wide channel in the patterned concrete on 2 sides of the cottage (it's detached), smash it out, tank the foundation wall.

I can hire out the concrete saw, but I am worried about the gas main (I may leave the section under the gas meter box??)

Once the walls are tanked I intend to fill the channel with small stone, extend the downspout across the gap so that the top water no longer comes near the foundations.

[jamesy12345]

Artex removal/plastering over http://www.diydoctor.org.uk/projects/artex.htm

[Wobbly Dave]

Once the DPC is assured again - then I have to attack the artexing and redecorate.

Final big job is the pitched roof on the back porch. I am certain that there must be leaks still, even though I tried patching it up with a waterproofing material, there is still water creeping in somewhere, which has played havoc with the down stairs loo, which will need repairing again.

I need also to rationalise all the stuff in the garage so the SSB can come off the driveway.

[Wobbly Dave]

I'm a qualified Rolls Royce engineer and I can fix sewing machines, but I don't suppose those skills are any use on this occasion.

Ellen has a flatbed, a needle feed, an overlocker and a blind hemmer (all industrial) all which are currently buried in the garage but need attention. I would obviously pay you for your time.

[Wobbly Dave]

I am more than willing to provide free beds/camping/food/bbq and hot-tub for aching limbs. If we could just crack the damp proof course channel then I would be eternally grateful.

[t5 pete]

Dave I've got the tools so no need for hire as said before it needs tanking then arco drains running round the entire house leading away from the house.
I cannot remember if I ask but im sure I will have did the damp only start when the previous builders butted the concrete up to your house?
I can plaster so if we can get a few plasters in you would be surprise what can be done for quickness ide remove the artex and dot and dab to stop any penetration.
All I require is beer and food.
And on another note I undertake all roofing work but I need to have a bitch with me so he or she can do the running up and down the ladder lol

[Jamest5r]

Dave I've got the tools so no need for hire as said before it needs tanking then arco drains running round the entire house leading away from the house.
I cannot remember if I ask but im sure I will have did the damp only start when the previous builders butted the concrete up to your house?
I can plaster so if we can get a few plasters in you would be surprise what can be done for quickness ide remove the artex and dot and dab to stop any penetration.
All I require is beer and food.
And on another note I undertake all roofing work but I need to have a bitch with me so he or she can do the running up and down the ladder lol

Excuse my ignorance but what would be the time scale for the above?

[Doingitsideways]

Same ae above.

I can plaster, just need a brew/mixing bitch ;)

You'd be amazed what a few blokes on the trowels can do in a reasonably short period of time.
I'm not fast tbh, but would muck in nay worries.

Roof wouldn't be a problem either.

[t5 pete]

Excuse my ignorance but what would be the time scale for the above?

Arco drainage with enough knowledgeable man power 1 day two days at the most
Plastering depending on how many walls it can be done in 1-2 days
Roofing depends whats wrong

[V70 Graham]

As most of you know I'm useless on the tools but can follow instructions well (if there's pictures) only too happy to help if I'm available.

Any idea when this is likely to be Dave ?

[Jamest5r]

Pick a weekend then Dave :)

[Wobbly Dave]

Arco will not work because the low point has nowhere to go - no where to drain into.

I cannot tell if the damp was prior to the printed concrete install or not. I suspect from the state of the gripper rods that it is most likely a direct result. The concrete was up to the wall before, but a bit lower IIRC.

[t5 pete]

another option Dave is to have a trench around the house 10-12" wide tank the house wall and dig the trench down to the footings or at least well below floor level

[Wobbly Dave]

As for weekends, 30th/31st May. seems best for me. I know there is RR day on, but I think we'll have enough help and Colin can come later for the drinks if he wants.

Anyone travelling long distance can stay in the garden room.

[Doingitsideways]

Chances are that the new concrete has bridged the damp course if it's higher than before.
You need to remove any physical ground contact with the brickwork above DPC, so if you went for the stone method it would have to be lower and be kept clear to stop it filling up with mud and crap.

Tanking would be much better as you have a physical barrier against the salts and you could have your finished ground at the same level :)

[Wobbly Dave]

another option Dave is to have a trench around the house 10-12" wide tank the house wall and dig the trench down to the footings or at least well below floor level

that's what I am aiming for. Perhaps 6 inches is insufficient. If I can get help doing that then that would be a real bonus.

[Doingitsideways]

I'll provisionally say yes to the above dates, if you want me :)

Will have to check the diary (i.e see if Mrs Sideways has planned anything and not told me)

[Wobbly Dave]

I will push the dates to fit the professionals.

[stribo]

I can sort the concrete, if Pete's got the tools, I may be able to borrow a disc cutter from work, so really just need a heavy breaker. Is there no storm drainage nearby that the Acos can drain into, failing that, what's the geology, as it may be possible to dig a soakaway to drain it into.

[t5 pete]

I've got the stihl saw and hydraulic breaker but there's no chance I'll be able to do them dates you would be looking in a month's time as I'm packed solid at the mo

[claymore]

Ellen has a flatbed, a needle feed, an overlocker and a blind hemmer (all industrial) all which are currently buried in the garage but need attention. I would obviously pay you for your time.
So, whilst everyone is making a lot of noise and mess, I'll be sitting quietly in the garage fixing sewing machines :)

[Wobbly Dave]

In that case let's aim for weekend of the 13/14th June?

These are pictures of the front and driveway back in 2009 when the new printed concrete was installed. Gas box is up near the top of the 1st pic.

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[stribo]

In that case let's aim for weekend of the 13/14th June?

These are pictures of the front and driveway back in 2009 when the new printed concrete was installed. Gas box is up near the top of the 1st pic.

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Well, that's handy, you've got a downpipe at the end there, you can just cut it, and have the Aco drain running into it underneath, and the downpipe running into the Aco above.

[Shinsplintz 101]

I would love to help but om stacked out for months, weekends & all. But you seem to have put together a handy team so I doubt I'll be missed!

One point however - unless you know how long that artrx has been up just pva it, then flat off with bonding before skimming - dont rasp it back. Artex used up until the mid '80s iirc contains asbestos. Left alone its fine, airborne its a bit of a hazard.

Best of luck & if anything changes I'll be along to help.

Morgan

[Wobbly Dave]

All the old concrete was smashed out. New one was a bit higher and on the was not entirely pointing towards the front wall. I have for now drilled a number of holes near the gas box and along, just so the water doesn't pool against the wall. The line were the cobble effect changes is where I propose cutting. There is evidence of salting around the DPC. All the top water flows off the roof onto the front relief.

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The only way aco drains could be fitted would be if you can get tapering pieces, to open out onto the apron of the driveway

[Wobbly Dave]

I would love to help but om stacked out for months, weekends & all. But you seem to have put together a handy team so I doubt I'll be missed!

One point however - unless you know how long that artrx has been up just pva it, then flat off with bonding before skimming - dont rasp it back. Artex used up until the mid '80s iirc contains asbestos. Left alone its fine, airborne its a bit of a hazard.

Best of luck & if anything changes I'll be along to help.

Morgan

I have no idea how old it is - so thanks for the tip.

[Wobbly Dave]

I found these

http://www.designcurial.com/products/aco-suds-swale-inlet-unit/

[jct5r]

Plasterer of some years..aches and pains to go with it..........havent stretched my arms much for a whjile but might be able to make that June date.....i will second that about disturbing artex...unibond, depending on type/ length of artex , the either tight bonding coat and / or skim.......fast trowel at the ready if dates are ok

[stribo]

All the old concrete was smashed out. New one was a bit higher and on the was not entirely pointing towards the front wall. I have for now drilled a number of holes near the gas box and along, just so the water doesn't pool against the wall. The line were the cobble effect changes is where I propose cutting. There is evidence of salting around the DPC. All the top water flows off the roof onto the front relief.

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The only way aco drains could be fitted would be if you can get tapering pieces, to open out onto the apron of the driveway

Just seen this again on my laptop, what I couldn't see on my phone was the downpipe just drains onto the drive,(a big no no in current building regs ;) ) will have a rethink.

[t5 pete]

Just seen this again on my laptop, what I couldn't see on my phone was the downpipe just drains onto the drive,(a big no no in current building regs ;) ) will have a rethink.

Ha never spotted that on my phone the volume of water a roof collects is out standing certainly a big problem
Is that a an hole chamber I spot in the drive way could we not use the arco drains and tap into that dave

[Doingitsideways]

Would mean carving up his drive though, looks to be on the wrong side to me. :(

How about Acos along the side and front of the house (if I've got the right image from the pics) then exiting from the drive gateway through one of those terminals that Dave linked?

Drive seems to nutually run to the road.
Could carry the rainwater from the roof too.

Bit of skillful Stihlsaw driving and it could look like it had always been there.

[t5 pete]

I carnt see really which way the drive runs on my phone but a neat 5" cut straight it wouldn't look out of place running across the drive.
Only issue with it running down the drive where the gate is, is green water stains after time and winter time it will be like a ice ring

[Hound]

I have absolutely zero building skills and am not even much use as a runner, plus it looks like tea-making is well catered for. But I take my hat off to you gentlemen and I will have my paws crossed that all goes swimmingly next month.

[Wobbly Dave]

Plasterer of some years..aches and pains to go with it..........havent stretched my arms much for a whjile but might be able to make that June date.....i will second that about disturbing artex...unibond, depending on type/ length of artex , the either tight bonding coat and / or skim.......fast trowel at the ready if dates are ok

Post-job hydrotherapy (with optional beer) is assured.

[Wobbly Dave]

I carnt see really which way the drive runs on my phone but a neat 5" cut straight it wouldn't look out of place running across the drive.
Only issue with it running down the drive where the gate is, is green water stains after time and winter time it will be like a ice ring

Prevailing slope is downwards from the garage towards the apron. Most of the front relief slopes away too, towards the front wall. (pic 1 on post #45), but it is a little uneven.

If you want more photos to get a better idea then I will happily do that.

[t5 pete]

Best port of call is get us there eairly In the morning and can see what is the best plan of action is (I can see this being fun a few builders all together with different plans of action lol) also need to know of local merchants all our plastic places round here stock aco drains so may same where you are.
We will also need grit sand/ ballast and cement and coloured dye to match in with your current colour as best as possible.

[Wobbly Dave]

There are builders merchants Travis Perkins within a mile of here. There is also a Wickes and B&Q not too far away either.

Here are more shots from google maps

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.685801,-2.470318,3a,90y,289.63h,63.68t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s5d0mM2qvgjD4z5XKodXa8Q!2e0

I had thought that I can re-route the 1st downpipe on the left so that it drains onto the drive, rather than the front relief. ATM I just route a longer pipe so that it drains just infront of the right hand gate post.

The company that did the work went bust in 2013 but I think I may be able to chase down the dye colour via the company that bought them out.

Found him again.
https://www.facebook.com/ade.rowley?fref=ts

I will get you some dimensions too.

[Wobbly Dave]

Too blunt? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Property-Revive/147248685294260

Not sure his new employers will be that happy.

[The Flying Moose]

Just cottoned on to this one,as with most jack of all master of none but once a dates confirmed if I can be of any help ill gladly oblige to for such a good gent! :)

Besides I think given the names so far on the list mixed with beer and manual labour you'll need me for medical cover...! ;)

[Wobbly Dave]

Too blunt? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Property-Revive/147248685294260

Not sure his new employers will be that happy.

They didn't like my comment so it was obviously deleted.

[Wobbly Dave]

Is everyone ok for weekend of the 13/14th June?

[t5 pete]

Yep ill make sure I put my work around it Saturday would be best I'm hoping with enough man power we can get it sorted in day for you but need to be there eairly so evaluate what needs doing and go get materials.

[t5 pete]

Dave just re looked at the pictures again I notice you have a soil pipe at the side of the house and also waste pipes from sink etc I take it them pipes join it the soil Pipe now I've seen it it's open a great place to run the arco drains into which means we won't have to cut across the drive to the man hole all your roof top water will now also flow into that.

[Wobbly Dave]

Indeed there is a soil pipe perhaps 2/3rd up the driveway for the downstairs toilet (under the flat roof). I think we would struggle as this is against the prevailing slope. I've screen captured the tilted Google map satellite image

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The red V is where the soil pipe is.

[Wobbly Dave]

FYI this is what the Timberwise report from last September said..

Edit - in hindsight it is probably unwise to share on a public forum. If you want a copy of their report then I can forward it .

[Santa]

I can't make that date unfortunately but don't change it if suitable for everyone else as I was merely offering hands and tea

[Jamest5r]

Is everyone ok for weekend of the 13/14th June?

All good here for those dates :)

[kmb]

Nice big house and plot, good to see people offering their help, a good bunch indeed on this forum :)

[Wobbly Dave]

If anyone wanted to come on Friday evening then that would also be fine.

[stribo]

I'll check the calendar when I get in, but should be fine.

[t5 pete]

Looks like it's a date then Dave

[Jamest5r]

Looks like it's a date then Dave

You want to stay over at mine Friday mate and we'll leave early from here make it easier?

[The Flying Moose]

Typically it's when I'm due to start working again! I've amassed some leave though so I'll pop some leave in tomorrow and should be good to go also!:-)

[t5 pete]

You want to stay over at mine Friday mate and we'll leave early from here make it easier?

That would have been great but donnas working till half 8 so on kiddy duty and we both know we wouldn't be in a fit state Saturday morning lol

[stribo]

Indeed there is a soil pipe perhaps 2/3rd up the driveway for the downstairs toilet (under the flat roof). I think we would struggle as this is against the prevailing slope. I've screen captured the tilted Google map satellite image

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The red V is where the soil pipe is.

Roughly how much higher is the drive where the soil stack is, to the front of the house?

[Wobbly Dave]

Enough to make running aco drainage up the drive impractical. Aco drains are viable if we empty onto the driveway apron near the road. That is wy I was looking at the terminals in post #47 (http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?59792-D-I-Y-S-O-S-for-Wobbly-Dave&p=773239&viewfull=1#post773239). If we can embed one of those into the apron then we can use the natural slope.

Otherwise the only option is to cut the channel - knock out an amount of material - tank the foundations - and fill with small stones. I still think this is necessary even if we install aco drains.

The timberwise report I commissioned also recommended repositioning the soak away which is at the far corner (near the gas box). Rather than me drip feeding the info - I have copied out the bulk of what was discussed.



EXTERNAL OBSERVATIONS
A brief external inspection of the property was completed from the ground level only during our visit and the following defects noted:-

3no downpipes to the front elevation wall are discharging rainwater directly onto the patterned concrete pathway and after carrying a flow test, water is ponding in various places as well as flowing back towards the property. (See below picture)
Pathway/driveway levels to the front and left hand elevations were noted to be high in relation to the internal floor level. (See below picture)In our opinion the soakaway which has retrospectively been installed to the right hand gable is positioned too close to the property and does not drain properly. Ideally it should be positioned level or preferably lower than the adjacent building and no closer than 5 metres from the property.


We advise that either the high ground levels to the front elevation be reduced to a minimum of a 150mm below damp proof course levels or a suitable Aco type drainage system be installed to the front and side elevations to stop the passage of moisture which is likely to spoil and damage internal finishes and decorations, but it will also put timbers within the property at serious risk from fungal decay and damage the building fabric itself. We also recommend that the existing downpipes are directed into the same drains to discharge rainwater correctly.
We strongly advise that you arrange for all the above noted defects to be attended as a matter of urgency.

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INTERNAL OBSERVATIONS
RISING DAMP
Due to the defects noted above in our external observations we cannot categorically state if the existing damp proof course is effective.
We did however note the following defects which may be contributing to the dampness visible on the internal walls and solid floor areas.
SOLID FLOOR – FRONT RECEPTION ROOM
The testing of solid floors falls beyond the scope of our non-destructive inspection however in this case a limited visual inspection of the top surface could be made.
In our opinion it appears that the existing floor slab does not benefit from a damp proof membrane and moisture meter readings taken from the surface of the concrete floor would also suggest this, however any figures taken are not conclusive and there are many factors that will influence the meter and we cannot rely on a meter as an accurate gauge of measurement.
As slight salting is occurring on the surface, it may be possible that condensation is forming and this is why the carpet and underlay is either wet to feel or rotting away especially at the wall / floor joint.
Recommendations
Ultimately we recommend that you seek the opinion of the original installers of the external pathway areas and we also suggest you think about either:


Removing the existing floor completely and relaying a new solid concrete floor, incorporating a damp proof membrane and suitably sized insulation to meet current building regulations

or


Possibly try to increase the room temperature so that no further condensation is allowed to form on the surface of the floor



So basically improving the drainage from the front is my biggest concern.

[stribo]

My thought was to recess the Aco into the drive around the side of the house so you could still get the fall, my only concern would be with running into the soil stack is unless some type of P trap wasx put in place , the soil stack would vent onto the Aco, leading to unpleasant smells. I don't think it's viable for the Aco to drain onto the apron because of the height of them, I know of none that taper down to practically zero height.

[t5 pete]

My thought was to recess the Aco into the drive around the side of the house so you could still get the fall, my only concern would be with running into the soil stack is unless some type of P trap wasx put in place , the soil stack would vent onto the Aco, leading to unpleasant smells. I don't think it's viable for the Aco to drain onto the apron because of the height of them, I know of none that taper down to practically zero height.

We will have to dig down and install a trap for where he soil pipe connects into the under side of the aco tbh it's the only way I can see this being viable

[Doingitsideways]

Hmm...

Prob have to put a trap either side of the soil pipe too somehow.
Either that or route the Aco around the soil pipe?

[t5 pete]

First
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110mm-Soil-Pipe-Double-Branch-Black-uPVC-Soil-Vent-Push-fit-/110807219069?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19cc9ffb7d

[t5 pete]

Second
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Soil-Pipe-/301639188907?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item463b18c1ab

[t5 pete]

3rd two of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FLOPLAST-LOW-BACK-P-TRAP-110MM-RRP-14-99-NEW-DRIVE-GARAGE-DRAINAGE-/361296855917?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item541ef8836d

[t5 pete]

And 4th lots of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ACO-DRAINAGE-CHANNEL-PATIO-DRIVEWAY-8mtr-IncFREE-ACCS-/280557244028?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item415283ce7c

[Doingitsideways]

Aye, was thinking double branch.

Into a trap either side. Should work well :)

[t5 pete]

Hmm...

Prob have to put a trap either side of the soil pipe too somehow.
Either that or route the Aco around the soil pipe?
The aco's need to feed I to the soil pipe and get rid of the top water

[stribo]

That was my thinking, though the actual soil pipe won't need to be very long, as we'll only need to make a couple of spigots, I can get a metre or so of pipe from work, and some pipe grease. I thinmk recessing the Acos would be the best bet, as Ideally they need to be lower than DPC anyway.

[Doingitsideways]

The aco's need to feed I to the soil pipe and get rid of the top water

Yes, but like Stribo said, they'll need gulleys to stop the stink from the soil pipe

[stribo]

Yes, but like Stribo said, they'll need gulleys to stop the stink from the soil pipe

The p traps will stop the smell, just like a bottle trap does on the bottom of a sink. ;)

[Doingitsideways]

Hmm... Safe to say we're all thinking the same thing! ;)

A couple of these should do nicely :)

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/110767503945?nav=SEARCH

[t5 pete]

Pmsl that's what the traps are for I've linked and yes stribo sinking them down will be good and can also over come daves drive falling the wrong way.

[t5 pete]

Dave seeing as we're all agreed on what to do I would personally order the soil pipe double branch and the traps I know the builders merchants should have them in stock but better to be safe than sorry.
Also if you can do some ringing around to see who is the cheapest for the Aco drains that would be good.
Failing that I can get them from my local place

[t5 pete]

Here's where I get mine from
http://www.buildingplasticsdirect.co.uk/acatalog/Channel_Drainage.html

[stribo]

Dave seeing as we're all agreed on what to do I would personally order the soil pipe double branch and the traps I know the builders merchants should have them in stock but better to be safe than sorry.
Also if you can do some ringing around to see who is the cheapest for the Aco drains that would be good.
Failing that I can get them from my local place

The only thing to check is whether Dave's soil stack is plastic, or cast iron as obviously the double branch soil adaptor will be different for each.

[t5 pete]

It looks plastic to me but also on that note weather it connects into pot underground

[Wobbly Dave]

current soil stack is plastic. It also needs attention as the main seal is leaking. I need to pull the D/S loo out and redo the whole thing.

[t5 pete]

That's good news dave can you remember when they dug the old concrete up weather it was all plastic of weather it was joined into pot but tbh ide take the gamble and just order the double branch either way you will need them traps.
As said if you can get some prices on aco's that would be good and if my supplier is cheaper shall I get them from my end.
Also donna has the day off work so the kiddys are covered so I can set off eairly morning and be with you before 9 hopefully.


Doing it side ways if your coming from Manchester which way are you going as you minds well jump in van with me and will save on fuel for both of us

[Wobbly Dave]

Well there is plenty of room to stay. I will get some measurements & more photos done tomorrow.

[Wobbly Dave]

Done close ups and measurements in order to help give you a more accurate feel for the job.
Distance from back left corner to soil pipe is 2.6 metres approximately.
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Distance from soil pipe to front left corner (where the big wooden gate post is) 5.4 metres - so the side of the house is about 8 metres long.
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Front left corner to left side of the door is 3.2 metres (where the 2 downspouts are). Front left to front right corner is 9.6 metres.

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Hopefully this gives you a better idea of the slope on the drive and where the DPC is. The end nearest the front left corner is the only real place there is distance below the holes.

i have redirected the bottom of one of the downspouts to minimise pooling on the front. You can see where the splashing from the old end used to splash on to the wall - increasing the surrounding salting.

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(continues...)

[Wobbly Dave]

More photos from the front including the soak away.2899728998289992900029001

[Wobbly Dave]

One idea I had was to reposition the nearest spout so that it empties onto the drive just beyond the wooden gate post?

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I think that going up the drive against the slope is going to be tricky?

[Doingitsideways]

Will have to double check with the Mrs on the dates, but if all good then yeah, I'll jump in with you Pete.

Are you staying over though? Not sure if I'd get a pass out overnight.

[t5 pete]

No dude won't be staying over but will be getting it done in day

[Wobbly Dave]

I have flexible arrangements for anyone wishing to stay over.

[stribo]

I have flexible arrangements for anyone wishing to stay over.
I'll stay if that's o.k. Dave.

[JUDGENINJA]

So who have we got then?

Foremen(basically doing most of the work)
T5 Pete
Stribo

Dogs bodies(drinking Daves coffee and shovelling ££££ around)
JudgeNinja
Doingitsideways
......

[Doingitsideways]

Fecking dog's body?!

hmm...

I prefer chief piss taker, if you don't mind! ;)

[Jamest5r]

Fecking dog's body?!

hmm...

Pmsl.......oh well shovel ££££ with us and drink beer :)

Oh and I'll probably stay the night as well as I'm sure there will be a bit to do in the morning, plus beer and curry on Dave :)

[t5 pete]

Woh Woh Woh no body mentioned beer and curry I may have to re think my plans now but there's no way I'm sharing my bed with pinky and perky dodgy them southerners

[Jamest5r]

Woh Woh Woh no body mentioned beer and curry I may have to re think my plans now but there's no way I'm sharing my bed with pinky and perky dodgy them southerners

Got to be a local pub :) and Donna and kids could stay here.

[t5 pete]

The workers mixing gobo
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[t5 pete]

Got to be a local pub :) and Donna and kids could stay here.

Now I'm lost you meaning donna to come down Saturday and stay with paula and we're staying at wobblys and going to be let loose in the local watering hole

[Wobbly Dave]

I'll stay if that's o.k. Dave.

Saturday Night or Friday night as well?

[Wobbly Dave]

Pmsl.......oh well shovel ££££ with us and drink beer :)

Oh and I'll probably stay the night as well as I'm sure there will be a bit to do in the morning, plus beer and curry on Dave :)

Fine by me. Are you proposing that Ellen stays over at yours for the night too? I would have to check.

[Wobbly Dave]

Now I'm lost you meaning donna to come down Saturday and stay with paula and we're staying at wobblys and going to be let loose in the local watering hole

I am also a little confused about the arrangements.

[Jamest5r]

Now I'm lost you meaning donna to come down Saturday and stay with paula and we're staying at wobblys and going to be let loose in the local watering hole


Fine by me. Are you proposing that Ellen stays over at yours for the night too? I would have to check.

Yep girls and kids can stay here which means I'm definitely not :)

[Jamest5r]

Oh and the dogs coming aswell if that's ok Dave can't really leave him and.6 kids might be pushing my luck.

[Wobbly Dave]

Our 2 year old will be going to her grandparents. So it will be just Ellen and the triplets going to yours.

There is plenty of room, with space in the house and the man cave. I have 1 inflatable double bed and 1 self inflating carry mat. There is a double bed in the man cave and a double in the master bed (for anyone brave enough to share with me).
I propose to use sofa cushions - but if anyone has a preferred camp bed solution then that would also work.

I still think trying to go against the slope of the drive is a difficult option, but I think I need to start budgeting and collecting materials. So if Pete can let me know - I will send a cash advance to cover materials.

[Wobbly Dave]

Having the dog here is no issue.

[t5 pete]

That sounds cool I'll buy all the stuff dave and just sort it when I get to yours can you give me the total meterage needed for the drains.
Regarding the slop as stribo proposed to sink the arco drains down below the level of the concrete that way it will over come the problem with sloping the wrong way.
And to stop there being a drop you can later fill it will large pebbles etc but they need to be large ones so they don't go down into the drainage ide say 50mm minium aggregate

[Doingitsideways]

Having the dog here is no issue.

I'm not bringing the Mrs.

Ooohhhh... This post may be deleted very soon!

[t5 pete]

I'm not bringing the Mrs.

Ooohhhh... This post may be deleted very soon!
Pmsl it's staying here now come on dude you can bunk up with pinky and perky I may brave it with wobbly lol

[Doingitsideways]

Pmsl it's staying here now come on dude you can bunk up with pinky and perky I may brave it with wobbly lol

Feck!

Hmm... Have to see if I can get a pass out.

The baby is teething, so driving the Mrs daft.

I'd be glad of the "quiet" tbh


I'd just like to add that I love my Mrs very much and still fancy her as much as the day I met her. ;)

Is it safe to come out yet?

[Wobbly Dave]

My concern is the current soil pipe feeds into a drain that traverses the whole drive. Manhole cover is on the far left side. I've had a look and I think there is just enough depth.

As for total length - rounded up as I said earlier - 10 metres for the front - 8 metres for the side (assuming) we do the section up by the conservatory to the soil pipe.

I would also like to do aco across the front of the garage as the driveway installers got that too high too. It currently drains into holes I drilled across the front. It is easier to do as it can feed into the only aco solution that was fitted properly (down 1 side of the garage).

I still have had no joy getting hold of the colour stain (though i remember it being purple).

[t5 pete]

With the way we're hoping to do it now dave you won't need any dye.
So thats 18 linear meters for the house how many for the garage?
If your worried the drain isn't deep enough can you take the top off your soil pipe and measure the depth down to the bend.
How deep is the man hole as that should give a rough ide of how far your soil pipe will go down

[t5 pete]

From Web site
Aco 18 at £6.38
Quad box 4 at £7.80
Stop ends 4 at £2.70
P trap 2 at £7.50
Double branch 1 at £31

That should give you a rough idea of what to expect

[Wobbly Dave]

I had a look and I think we'll be ok. From the bottom of the sink waste water to the bottom of the curve is about 18 inches. I will have to move the cars tomorrow to look down the man hole.

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Garage is 4.8 metres.

Now do you want to look at the pictures of the current aco?

[t5 pete]

Current aco dave I'm just lost lol do you currently have aco drainage at the front of the garage also where does it run to

[t5 pete]

Stribo are you bringing a length of soil pipe or should I get one

[Wobbly Dave]

My only concern now is the location of the armour cable supplying the garage. We will have to be careful to not cut that.

[t5 pete]

Dave a few connector blocks and a bit of duck tap will sort it pmsl sorry couldn't resist

[Wobbly Dave]

Current aco dave I'm just lost lol do you currently have aco drainage at the front of the garage also where does it run to

Current aco runs the full width of the rear of the property. There is also drains down the right side of the garage which runs into a buried pipe. This joins up with the aco down the rear wall of the conservatory. You can just make it out on left side of this photo.

[t5 pete]

Cool so do you need new aco drains in front of garage

[Wobbly Dave]

here is the aco at the back.

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[Wobbly Dave]

Cool so do you need new aco drains in front of garage

want more than need, but I figure while we can we should. Water ingress into the garage has been a pain.

[t5 pete]

Cool so 23 mtrs of drainage

[t5 pete]

You got some good pubs down there wobbly

[Wobbly Dave]

Do I need to hire a skip for the material coming out? The alternative is multiple runs to the local recycling centre about 2 miles away?

Also what if anything should I do about the soak away at the end of the front right corner?

[Jamest5r]

Glad all that minor stuff is sorted...... so how much beer is needed :)

[Wobbly Dave]

You got some good pubs down there wobbly
CAMRA award winning pub is about 4 miles away.

[t5 pete]

Glad all that minor stuff is sorted...... so how much beer is needed :)

Lots

[t5 pete]

Do I need to hire a skip for the material coming out? The alternative is multiple runs to the local recycling centre about 2 miles away?

Also what if anything should I do about the soak away at the end of the front right corner?

There will most Likely be a fair amount of rubble depending on how much needs digging out so for the cost of a mini skip ide opt for that unless you and others in cars want to do any runs to the dump also what time does that shut in a Saturday

[t5 pete]

CAMRA award winning pub is about 4 miles away.

Camra is that a posh pub or a rough and ready also do we get live entertainment as james knows he pulled when he went out with us round wombwell really classy bird aswell

[Wobbly Dave]

Given the scale of the work am I correct in thinking that it will be enough just to complete the drainage project in the 2 days available?

I will book a mini skip for the 2 days.

[t5 pete]

Piss easy dave there's enough man power to get this done

[t5 pete]

P.s stop worrieing and get onto the maim topic PUB

[Wobbly Dave]

I am not worrying - I am just trying to plan to maximise the help.

[Doingitsideways]

Glad all that minor stuff is sorted...... so how much beer is needed :)

You're an artic driver aren't you?

You sort it out! ;)

Brewery of choice anyone??

[stribo]

Stribo are you bringing a length of soil pipe or should I get one

I can grab a length from work, 2 metres should be plenty shouldn't it?

[stribo]

Saturday Night or Friday night as well?

Just Saturday night thanks, I'll make an early start Saturday morning, so shouldn't be there that late.

[JUDGENINJA]

Like a work shy hussy I can't come.......I've realised my weekend in Belgium clashes!!

[stribo]

Could you PM me your address please Dave?

[t5 pete]

Could you PM me your address please Dave?

Ditto

[Nealevo]

Ditto

[Wobbly Dave]

Sure thing - just to say that I have booked a 4 tonne skip for Saturday morning.

[Wobbly Dave]

I've sent out a PM to all those who stated an interest earlier in the thread. If interest has waned or you can't come then I am grateful all the same.

[t5 pete]

Mine is missing dave

[stribo]

So is mine.

[dps1973]

Where does dave live?

[t5 pete]

Where does dave live?
Cloud cookoo land by all accounts were just waiting for confirmation from the man in question lol

[Jamest5r]

Telford

[t5 pete]

Telford

Well that's a great help looks like me and stribo are having the day together in Telford where ever that is

[Nealevo]

Just head to Telford and follow the trail of oil and antifreeze

[stribo]

Well that's a great help looks like me and stribo are having the day together in Telford where ever that is

We could just knock on random doors,see if anyone wants any work doing, might make some money out of it. lol

[t5 pete]

We could just knock on random doors,see if anyone wants any work doing, might make some money out of it. lol

Sounds good go scouting around for some work

[JUDGENINJA]

Pikeys..!! Should take Nobber with you..

[stribo]

Pikeys..!! Should take Nobber with you..

We weren't planning on doing any tarmaccing. ;)

[Wobbly Dave]

Message resent - didn't realise there was a 5 person limit on PMs. Sorry for any confusion caused.

[Doingitsideways]

Message resent - didn't realise there was a 5 person limit on PMs. Sorry for any confusion caused.

But you only sent it to five people!
Pmsl!!

Replied anyway.
As I said to Dave via PM, I can't get out of working Sat morning, but will be down in the afternoon as I finish at 12, so should be there for shortly after half 1.

See you all on Saturday :)

[t5 pete]

So what's the plan dave for our evenings entertainment either a bit of group loving in the hot tub or we hitting the tiles

[Jamest5r]

So what's the plan dave for our evenings entertainment either a bit of group loving in the hot tub or we hitting the tiles

Out of them 2 choices ummmm tiles everytime :)

[Nealevo]

Well I've got my speedos ready! :)

[t5 pete]

Out of them 2 choices ummmm tiles everytime :)

We just need confirmation from the wobbly one as last time I had some speedos I was 8 so hoping the tiles it is other than that bare back it is :wave23d:

[Doingitsideways]

Take the "S" of Speedo...

[t5 pete]

Take the "S" of Speedo...
Says while doing it sideways

[Nealevo]

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[stribo]

I was planning on bringing my mankini. ;)

[Jamest5r]

I'm feeling quite disturbed now

[stribo]

I'm feeling quite disturbed now

Why? have you lost your posing pouch? lol

[Dangerous Dave]

Be aware that there are roadworks on the M54 near Telford (if anyone is travelling that way), not sure what stage it's at now but it was down to one lane and 40mph back in April which was bloody awful with people crawling along at 30mph :(

[Wobbly Dave]

Also be aware that the Cosford airshow is on this Sunday - so best to avoid M54 entirely - You might need to go back via the A5 or other routes. e.g for those going South via Bridgnorth and for those heading North it would be worth going via Newport/Stafford and joining M6 further up or going via Derby to reach S. Yorkshire that way?

Road works on the M54 start at Junction 3 (westbound) and there is a 40 mph average speed limit. Luckily if you come off at Jnc4 you can reach Wobbly Towers via the back of Stafford Park and the A442 (using the Ketley exit).

[Wobbly Dave]

Looks like it is going to be raining - so the chances of BBQ/ mankini are diminishing?

West Midlands

Forecast Summary



Outlook for Friday to Sunday

Aside from an isolated heavy shower on Friday it should stay dry and warm, however, thunderstorms are possible overnight and into Saturday. Sunday looks fairly cloudy, damp and cooler.

[Jamest5r]

Don't look too bad

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[Doingitsideways]

I'll be coming down M6 then A519, Pete will prob do the same I would have thought as it's Google Maps' preferred route.

Yeah, looks like we may get the odd shower, but be mainly dry so should be ok.

[t5 pete]

God knows which way I'm coming ill leave that to tom tom I get lost driving out of the village

[Doingitsideways]

See above Pete ;)

[t5 pete]

See above Pete ;)

That's just all gobbledygook to me lol Google says it's 120 miles and 2 hrs and 20mins

[Doingitsideways]

That's just all gobbledygook to me lol Google says it's 120 miles and 2 hrs and 20mins

Ffs. Yorkshiremen!

Where do you think I got it from?
I'm a builder, not a wagon driver like Jimbob. He's the one who should be like a walking road atlas.

I'm guessing he's not though. Pmsl :D

[Jamest5r]

Ffs. Yorkshiremen!

Where do you think I got it from?
I'm a builder, not a wagon driver like Jimbob. He's the one who should be like a walking road atlas.

I'm guessing he's not though. Pmsl :D

I have my moments bloody northerners :)

[Doingitsideways]

I have my moments bloody northerners :)

Do we really need to start this again?! ;)

[Wobbly Dave]

I take it all 4 of you are stopping Saturday night.

[Jamest5r]

I take it all 4 of you are stopping Saturday night.

I will be as my house will be full of babies :)

[t5 pete]

Me too

[Doingitsideways]

Seriously doubt it for me.

I went out on the piss last friday at 7 and didn't come home 'til 3 on saturday afternoon.
Properly in the ££££ book! :(

[t5 pete]

So list
25 aco drains
4 box sections
2 water traps
Double branch soil
4 cap ends

[Nealevo]

So list
25 aco drains
4 box sections
2 water traps
Double branch soil
4 cap ends

And a partridge in a pear tree... As you can see I will be loads of help

[stribo]

So list
25 aco drains
4 box sections
2 water traps
Double branch soil
4 cap ends

I've got 2 metres of 4" pipe, and lube. ;)

[t5 pete]

And a partridge in a pear tree... As you can see I will be loads of help

As long as you come with tyres ill let you off

[t5 pete]

I've got 2 metres of 4" pipe, and lube. ;)

I can understand the pipe but the lube? God help who ever your sleeping with I vote Jim bob he seems a little shy to a bit of man love in the pool and speedos so be gentle with him

[Jamest5r]

So list
25 aco drains
4 box sections
2 water traps
Double branch soil
4 cap ends


And a partridge in a pear tree... As you can see I will be loads of help

I can translate that for you mate,

25 fags
4 case's of john smiths
2 case's of carling
Double brandy neat
4 pairs of speedos

See simples when you spend a weekend at Pete's I'm fluent in northan speak :)

[stribo]

I can understand the pipe but the lube? God help who ever your sleeping with I vote Jim bob he seems a little shy to a bit of man love in the pool and speedos so be gentle with him

Haha, pipe lube, but I'm sure it could be used in other circumstances. ;)

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[Doingitsideways]

Haha, pipe lube, but I'm sure it could be used in other circumstances. ;)

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But that's what spit's for! ;)

[t5 pete]

Lol must be a posh southern thing we just have either pipe fat or washing up liquid

[jamesy12345]

But that's what spit's for! ;)


Lol must be a posh southern thing we just have either pipe fat or washing up liquid

:lol:

[stribo]

But that's what spit's for! ;)


Lol must be a posh southern thing we just have either pipe fat or washing up liquid

We do stuff properly down south, but then we have to, our toilets are indoors. :D

[Nealevo]

They don't have toilets up north, they just go dig a hole in the garden

[t5 pete]

Hahaha funny guys you nobs lol

[t5 pete]

And to our wobbly commander what we doing for the evening if we're going out ill have to go shopping as I'm guessing wellys and tweed clothing isn't acceptable down there.

[t5 pete]

How far is telford centre from you that looks good on Google

[stribo]

And to our wobbly commander what we doing for the evening if we're going out ill have to go shopping as I'm guessing wellys and tweed clothing isn't acceptable down there.
Wellys and tweed, who are you trying to kid? More like hob nail boots, and a donkey jacket.

[t5 pete]

Bit warm for pit coat and boots this time of year

[t5 pete]

Been and got all materials this morning dave so all we need now is a length of pipe and some of the southern posh lube failing that washing up liquid

[Wobbly Dave]

I have rope of all kinds.

[t5 pete]

I have rope of all kinds.

I'm sure you do as to what use rope will be unless stribo is going to use it to tie james with and his lube then it's understandable

[Nealevo]

If the lube is out i dont think James will need to be tied up

[Jamest5r]

Oi nobs lol, no problem I'm bringing my dog he quite fancies Pete :)

[Jamest5r]

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[craigoodwood]

How far is telford centre from you that looks good on Google

town centre aint far from daves but not really a 'going out' type centre, Jenco's is walking distance from dave http://www.jenkos-mongolian-barbeque.co.uk/about ;)

also if anyone comin from south via bridgenorth with a satnav it may take you down a deadend road that the council have put up bollards, i was virtually quarter mile to destination an had to turn around (ive never updated mine though)

i dunno where all these volvos are gonna park either :D

[t5 pete]

I'll take the dog any day over you lot of dodgy buggers

[t5 pete]

town centre aint far from daves but not really a 'going out' type centre, Jenco's is walking distance from dave http://www.jenkos-mongolian-barbeque.co.uk/about ;)

also if anyone comin from south via bridgenorth with a satnav it may take you down a deadend road that the council have put up bollards, i was virtually quarter mile to destination an had to turn around (ive never updated mine though)

i dunno where all these volvos are gonna park either :D


Cool so where the best place for a night out?
round my way we have little towns with loads of pubs which are close to each other and good for a night out

[t5 pete]

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Haha haha

[Wobbly Dave]

Cool so where the best place for a night out?
round my way we have little towns with loads of pubs which are close to each other and good for a night out

I've bought a load of food to do a nice curry and I have a crate of ale too. If you want to go out for a few to the local pubs - then there is a decent CAMRA pub not too far away.

Not really feeling like doing a big night out ATM.

[craigoodwood]

Cool so where the best place for a night out?
round my way we have little towns with loads of pubs which are close to each other and good for a night out

i dont actually know i gave up goig out drinkin years before i moved to telford, oakengates isnt far from dave or wellington is a bit further ;)

[t5 pete]

Looks like a wet day tomorrow remember to bring your wet suits or you can work in your speedos much to Jamest5r's delight

[t5 pete]

i dont actually know i gave up goig out drinkin years before i moved to telford, oakengates isnt far from dave or wellington is a bit further ;)

Cool I'll go with the flow on the night

[stribo]

I'll take the dog any day over you lot of dodgy buggers

Well, you've had plenty of practice with whippets. :D

[t5 pete]

That's sheep not whippets bloody southerners getting it wrong again.

[stribo]

I've bought a load of food to do a nice curry and I have a crate of ale too. If you want to go out for a few to the local pubs - then there is a decent CAMRA pub not too far away.

Not really feeling like doing a big night out ATM.

CAMRA that's that warm ditch water they call beer isn't it? I only drink shandy. ;)

It's understandable you not wanting a night on the town, maybe we'll play it by ear, and see how you're feeling.

[Jamest5r]

Speedos it is then :)

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[Jamest5r]

What time we starting on a serious note and estimate on how long the job is going to take

[t5 pete]

I will aim to be there for 8.30 setting off at 6 then mc D's breakfast on the run.
its a faor mount of work so it's graft till its done but I've got all the gear to make it easy that's why I thought about going out as it will be well deserved and as it goes us northerners do like beer and good scenery probably spelt wrong but I don't care

[Doingitsideways]

Beer spelt right.
Only word that matters.

Just wish I could get on it with you lads :(

[The Flying Moose]

Wobbly and all, best of luck tomorrow chaps, sadly I cant make it much to my disappointment (and yes I do mean that!) as I've been forced to work an alternative shift which has seen me working yet another weekend.

Hope it all goes to plan and nobody is too shell shocked by Jim in his "bobby dazzlers!"

[t5 pete]

Beer spelt right.
Only word that matters.

Just wish I could get on it with you lads :(

You could always use the old excuse they wouldn't let me go I really wanted to come home as well love but they just wouldn't let me

[Jamest5r]

I've bought a load of food to do a nice curry and I have a crate of ale too. If you want to go out for a few to the local pubs - then there is a decent CAMRA pub not too far away.

Not really feeling like doing a big night out ATM.

That sounds spot on mate as long as the curry is nice and spicy, Pete loves his curries hot :)

[stribo]

What time we starting on a serious note and estimate on how long the job is going to take

I'm leaving at 6.30, aiming to get there between 8.30 and 9. TBH there's going to be a lot of graft as Pete said, but whilst the drive's being cut, there's not much anyone else can do, once we start breaking the concrete out then they'll be a fair bit of shovelling, then it's a case of knocking up a bed for the Acos, and laying them, and connecting them. It's that easy lol.

[t5 pete]

While I'm cutting you could be filling Jim bobs estate with cement and ballast

[t5 pete]

That sounds spot on mate as long as the curry is nice and spicy, Pete loves his curries hot :)

Erm I don't like spicy curry and I don't like bits as the Indians got told in wombwell

[stribo]

Erm I don't like spicy curry and I don't like bits as the Indians got told in wombwell

The hotter the better as far as I'm concerned. :D

[Jamest5r]

I'm leaving at 6.30, aiming to get there between 8.30 and 9. TBH there's going to be a lot of graft as Pete said, but whilst the drive's being cut, there's not much anyone else can do, once we start breaking the concrete out then they'll be a fair bit of shovelling, then it's a case of knocking up a bed for the Acos, and laying them, and connecting them. It's that easy lol.

I'll bring the bacon and bread then :)

[MoleT-5R]

do you need to bring your own shovel??? will be there sometime around 9

[t5 pete]

I'll bring the bacon and bread then :)
And the estate for the ballast

[stribo]

do you need to bring your own shovel??? will be there sometime around 9

I'm bringing one. :D

[Wobbly Dave]

Got bacon and bread and sausages. All the food we need. Whilst the concrete is being cut there is more help i need in t garden

[Nealevo]

I'll be there bout 9 just got to go work first

[craigoodwood]

apologies to adrian i didnt log in again yesdy, if anyone one thats there reads this can they tell him ill bring the bits round this afternoo :B_thumb:

[JUDGENINJA]

Hope it's going well... I'm sure you're doing well without my invaluable assistance in drinking coffee and point at stuff..

[Nealevo]

Typical, all watching Adrian work, well done today lads a great effort. In shocking weather


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[MoleT-5R]

Yep a very wet day and some hard graft put in by all that attended, hopefully we may have sorted Dave's damp issue now. It may be a while before he can comment on today's works as a small mix up has left him with no internet or tv......oooops!

[Orca2]

Well done you guys... And it could have been worse, I am assuming the gas main survived.

[MoleT-5R]

Well done you guys... And it could have been worse, I am assuming the gas main survived.

yep, probably one of the few to survive....:)