pretty dissapointed

[wallace570]

couldnt pull away from a focus st with a de-cat and an induction with my p2 vr....needs more power!!!

[volvokid]

I had the same experience in mine, and its mapped! I was pulling but not as fast as I thought it could, it was against a new ST. My mate has one and it didn't feel fast inside, nothing like the R anyway.

[wallace570]

it was an old one no one was going anywhere think i need a decat and an induction kit if thats the performance gains

[WOODY T5]

never ad any probs in me 850 with anything on road or 1/4 mile dave jim frankie mole claymore lol

[wallace570]

well its had a new clutch think al chuck another couple of grand at it if im not happy im buying a motorbike lol

[volvokid]

it was an old one no one was going anywhere think i need a decat and an induction kit if thats the performance gains

That doesn't make sense, I raced one of the originals years ago in my P1R auto and he was barely pulling at all from me, and my P2 is far far faster than my P1

[S70T5Chris]

I had a play with a new Focus ST in my S60. I absolutely blew it away by miles :biggrin:

[wallace570]

theres a 4wd dyno near me maybe i should get it put on that and see if mines putting the correct power out or maybe his was remapped befor he got it but im not shaking it off atall

[volvokid]

It must be mapped.

[wallace570]

i hope it is maped...or ive definitely bought a dud

[T5frankie]

These 5 pot Ford's are quick......I have one but they feel smooth don't feel like you're gaining much speed until you look at the speedo

[silverhorse]

I got caught in the wrong gear in a dice with a new Fiesta ST. Came down a dual carriage sliproad in 3rd instead of second and he was gone! Quick little buggers they are. Caught up with him just as we got to a twisty section of B roads and didn't see which way he went.
Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and accept that you have been done over!

[jamesy12345]

it's a bit of a waste of time trying to see who is faster on the road. I'm being general not having a dig cos I've done it too - your concentration just isn't (shouldn't be) on beating a car alongside you. So many variables too, like is one of the cars fully loaded or something wrong with it.

Looking at the numbers on the net, the ST's are pretty quick & a couple of hundred kgs lighter than your car? I wouldn't be embarrassed about it tbh.

[Biff]

My old v70r (tired) used to kill standard st's but lose to mapped ones (mates had 280bhp). My t5 now laughs at st's modified or standard & gives chase to rs's. Really want a diff in it so I can lay it down without eating my tyres.
A local company tunes Fords & I admit some are silly fast but they all seem to poo themselves & snap shafts or break boxes.
A local Orange st is 450 horse & has beaten the local gallardo. Constantly breaking things though.

[stribo]

I've beaten a Focus ST (225) with my S70 T5, once they start mapping though they can be quite rapid. When I was looking to replace my Cougar, I yes drove a standard ST, and it didn't seem much quicker than the Cougar, I'm guessing standard boost isn't that much.

[Dream3r]

Mine mullers the 400bhp one around here, no traction lol.

[Ettienne]

Mine mullers the 400bhp one around here, no traction lol.

I suppose you get to the point where more power turns into wheel spin.

I've beaten a st225 (guessing standard) from stand still to 80 2 car lengths, between lights.

But they should leap up in bhp quite easily with little tuning

[merc85]

I had a ST 225 with my Diesel MB easy peasy :ices_rofl

[Dream3r]

IMO a mapped S60R should be destroying a stock ST, standard the R's are pretty tame though, imo. So not sure on that side of things. I remember being shocked last time mine was running the stock map.

[T5frankie]

My old v70r (tired) used to kill standard st's but lose to mapped ones (mates had 280bhp). My t5 now laughs at st's modified or standard & gives chase to rs's. Really want a diff in it so I can lay it down without eating my tyres.
A local company tunes Fords & I admit some are silly fast but they all seem to poo themselves & snap shafts or break boxes.
A local Orange st is 450 horse & has beaten the local gallardo. Constantly breaking things though.

i'd race your t5 in my mondeo, i know theyre aint much in it

[AndysR]

Never had an issue with a standard Focus ST, tbh I expected a lot better. Once they're tweaked they can be a bit quicker but still not had an issue ��

[Stephen86]

The T5s are more powerful on paper but the Focus STs almost certainly have a better power to weight ratio. I would expect that in standard form the odds would favour the ST to pull away a little. On track there won't a comparison the handling of the T5s is terrible, even the ST saloons handle well.

[volvokid]

We aren't talking about a T5 though, its an R and they can handle.

[T5frankie]

We aren't talking about a T5 though, its an R and they can handle.

As well as a performance Ford? Doubt it

[Sweep]

You're blinkered if you think any R can keep up with a ST225 on track! They're a fine handling car.

[LiamT4]

One thing to ask, is the R in question an auto?

[jamesy12345]

One thing to ask, is the R in question an auto?

it's a manual

[wallace570]

just found out its got a hybrid decat (not 3") filter but the ecu has been flashed so recons its not mapped...that will explain what i was no pulling away. i was not happy with the volvo after that but thinks aint as bad now haha

[Biff]

I wouldn't dream of trying to keep up on the twistys, especially on our local roads.

[ExternalError]

Those ST handle nice my mate has a ST that has had a lot done to it putting out 430 bhp now but even before he went nuts with it was quick with just an intercooler, decat, group A filter and remap

[wallace570]

the only thing with the ford is they have circled the problem...never been a fan of the ford just seen too plasticy inside, altho i do like the rs...but id rather buy the new s60 polestar just like my wee swedish cars

[ExternalError]

They eat drive shafts my mate went through 3 original ford drive shafts in a year in the end he found somewhere who did uprated drive shafts since then he hasn't broke 1

[T5frankie]

the only thing with the ford is they have circled the problem...never been a fan of the ford just seen too plasticy inside, altho i do like the rs...but id rather buy the new s60 polestar just like my wee swedish cars

mondeo mk4 tit x trim is a lovely place to sit with every extra you could want

[mike 850]

looks like the focus ST weighs slightly less than an 850 t5 so surely standard against standard on a straight it'll be close?

[T5frankie]

looks like the focus ST weighs slightly less than an 850 t5 so surely standard against standard on a straight it'll be close?

a standard st does 0-60 in 6.6 seconds at least a second quicker than an 850 t5

[Stephen86]

Manual is 850 is supposed to do the 0-60 run in around 7.2, the R in 6.8. Even the R won't overturn the weight difference in standard form. Saying that, the 850 is much better build quality than the Ford. Also, the STs have a bit of a boy racer image and I feel too old for that now. I still really like the old 850s, at the end of the day its not all about speed and drag racing from the red lights. I was very impressed with the interior and comfort of it and found the drop in quality from the 850 to V70 obvious.

[T5frankie]

Manual is 850 is supposed to do the 0-60 run in around 7.2, the R in 6.8. Even the R won't overturn the weight difference in standard form. Saying that, the 850 is much better build quality than the Ford. Also, the STs have a bit of a boy racer image and I feel too old for that now. I still really like the old 850s, at the end of the day its not all about speed and drag racing from the red lights. I was very impressed with the interior and comfort of it and found the drop in quality from the 850 to V70 obvious.

id love to see anyone do those times in a standard car though, too much wheelspin usually around 8 seconds

[kmb]

In fairness the T5 0-60mph time is not as impressive as the in gear time, I think the taller gearing makes it feel (even if it may not be) quicker in the 30-80mph range.

I followed my mate in his wife's newish Fiesta ST the other morning and as we went onto the dual carriageway, a little friendly comparison was inevitable, very little in it up to slightly above motorway limit speeds... wheelspin at the start as it was damp allowed the Fiesta ST to pull 2-3 lengths, as the speed builds the T5 then hauls the little ST in, passing with ease (although my Oblark remap probably helps).

Main difference was that his Fiesta (yes I know it's not the Focus) has 5k miles and cost £15k, as opposed to my T5 which has 137k miles and cost less than ten times that amount, which feels pretty cool even if I cannot annihilate a blooming Fiesta from near stand still :)

[Doingitsideways]

In standard form, the Focus will easily outgun a standard P80 T5.
The Focus produces more torque (I think) and has much stiffer, modern suspension design meaning it can put it down off the line.
Not to mention the 6 speed 'box!

They really are a formidable wepon, and once mapped, shimmed and allowed to breathe properly will see off the vast majority of road going fast Volvos!

I nearly bought a brand new one years ago. Still wish I had sometimes.

I do still like to see their faces though when I keep with them for a little while on the motorway pull ;)

[ExternalError]

Mine was able to keep up with my mates until he strapped the hybrid turbo and race cams to it with some other engine work at which point he left me for dust

[Saaamon]

Never had an issue with a standard Focus ST, tbh I expected a lot better. Once they're tweaked they can be a bit quicker but still not had an issue ��

Benefits of servicing a car thoroughly...

[T5frankie]

Benefits of servicing a car thoroughly...

err and a hybrid turbo forged engine and a mark shead map lol

[Uzulins]

And age.. Volvo 850 is a little bit older than Fords ST and Rs.... :D

[wallace570]

Well it's save time for a stage 3 kit for my v70r hopefully the new ap racing clutch kit will hold it don't wanna kill another clutch plate

[ExternalError]

the ap clutch is a good bit of kit hold my 360bhp

[Biff]

a standard st does 0-60 in 6.6 seconds at least a second quicker than an 850 t5
On paper.

[lance]

[QUOTE=lance;764164]After years of driving 850s v70s p1 and p2 this thread sums up why I bought a v50 t5 instead of a ford sanitory towell (every c@nt has one)once modded it goes like an Rs and because I have a drive badge on the back and a national trust membership I look like another sock and sandal volvo driver instead of a chav down at macds. My favourite volvo so far since 2001 and over 200000 miles of T5 driving The p1s and 850s are too old fashioned now for my taste and work, and the p2s nice and comfortable as they are don't feel driver focus enough for me on the back roads great cruisers though also having a narrow drive and living on a main road meant I had to swing out sometimes to get on my drive which wasn't the best.

[Dream3r]

the ap clutch is a good bit of kit hold my 360bhp

ATM my stock clutch is still holding, :rice:

[Dream3r]

Well it's save time for a stage 3 kit for my v70r hopefully the new ap racing clutch kit will hold it don't wanna kill another clutch plate

What's the stage 3 plans? Diff turbo? Definitely get Shemtek or Tim to shim it first.

[wallace570]

Yea get it sleeved, maybe go down the route of a gt3076r run a tail waste gate too many things to consider at the moment need to do some deep research see what's the best route to take, will need to have a look see how my pals running his set up on the c30

[Dream3r]

There's a shimmed 700bhp focus flying around Edinburgh.

[wallace570]

That's a lot of power haha al not be aiming for that... Would like to see 350whp