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RichT4
Sunday 7th December 2014, 10:05
Play the Game!


I've gone up in the world!! Spotted a beautiful V70 T5 160 odd miles away up in Birmingham, the price was reduced overnight by £400 due to an engine problem.
200.000 on the mileage
2004 model
Possible ex police Car!

So i thought what the heck? I'll drive up to brummy with my Friend and get her to drive my V40 back home whilst i follow in the T5.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/media_zpsjvkqfvrg.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/media_zpsjvkqfvrg.jpg.html)

The car is not perfect, holes in seats, broken bits here and there but the main problem being a tapping coming from the top of the engine.
I paid a cheap price and started to take her home!

After 20 miles, i encountered an issue. Oil pressure light came on and with a big puff of white smoke she was dead on the M40 near Warwick.
Failure in contacting the breakdown cover i got with the temporary insurance meant i was forced to call the AA and register a years membership at the extreme price of £164, this meant they would come out to my vehicle and take a look.

Once i explained the symptoms, i waited an extra hour for a third party recovery truck to come and get me off the motorway!
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0418_zpsd9p62sbk.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0418_zpsd9p62sbk.jpg.html)

Things were about to get more expensive; getting the car home needed recovery....

To add the relay package onto my breakdown would cost me an extra £130, that would take me to a 50 mile radius, after that it would be £2.50 a mile to get home. With an extra assumed 90 miles to go i was looking at an extra £225 roughly.

So the guy dropped me off in Warwick:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0419_zpsif5tbumx.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0419_zpsif5tbumx.jpg.html)

Where i made a few phone calls and arranged for Casey to drive up with the recovery truck from Portsmouth and pick me and my baby up.
£200 and a 7 hour wait later in the pub with low phone battery (i asked to borrow one from the manageress), Casey arrived after dropping a car in Kent and loaded the car up...
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/FB_IMG_1417896500594_zpslc4cc5tc.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/FB_IMG_1417896500594_zpslc4cc5tc.jpg.html)


Finally got home about 22:45, off loaded the car, set off the alarm and took receipt of my V40 from my friend.

To say that it was a long day is an understatement, stupidly i didn't prepare everything properly, left some bits on the T4 going home and spent a lot of money that technically didn't need spending.

So i've come home with the following:

1 years AA roadside assistance membership
Volvo V70 T5 with a possible seized engine
Tiredness
A very very empty wallet...


Despite the silly long winded antics, i am happy and smiling.... why?
Well, the time i did get to spend driving the T5 made me feel right at home, i felt a bond with the car immediately and love how everything surrounds you and the way it drives. Once the engine is sorted i will enjoy the sounds of the 5 cylinder symphony once more!
Luckily for me i have a Volvo dedicated scrapyard down the road from me where i can pick up loads of parts!

As they say though, Hindsight is a funny thing.... Watch this space for a list of things required and an interesting rebuild!!

JUDGENINJA
Sunday 7th December 2014, 10:10
Ha you've really got the Volvo bug!!!

I should give you my other mobile number, cos I'm guessing this is the missed call on the phone I don't use that much!!

RichT4
Sunday 7th December 2014, 12:05
Ha you've really got the Volvo bug!!!

I should give you my other mobile number, cos I'm guessing this is the missed call on the phone I don't use that much!!

That would be correct matey :D text me.. Number ending 455

kmb
Sunday 7th December 2014, 12:51
You're a brave man, good to see some dedication though.

It does at least prove even a £400 car is liable to end up being a £1000+ car these days by the time they are up to standard, but what a lot of fun you'll have bringing this one back to life! :)

I look forward to following the build thread.

RichT4
Sunday 7th December 2014, 12:57
You're a brave man, good to see some dedication though.

It does at least prove even a £400 car is liable to end up being a £1000+ car these days by the time they are up to standard, but what a lot of fun you'll have bringing this one back to life! :)



I look forward to following the build thread.

Very much so buddy, I'm considering giving up one of my other hobbies to pursue sorting this car out :)

kmb
Sunday 7th December 2014, 13:00
I'm fairly certain that any well maintained/restored 850/V70 T5 has reached the bottom price so maybe you can also consider it an investment... Helps justify the man maths :)

martybelfastt5
Sunday 7th December 2014, 14:02
what an adventure lol well done!!!:rolleyes2

RichT4
Sunday 7th December 2014, 14:23
She just fits in my garage! Now to start stripping her down :p
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/031c1a5e3ff58de485bbe1f0faf04ffa_zps7d5ba3da.jpg

mitchyboy01
Sunday 7th December 2014, 15:38
She just fits in my garage! Now to start stripping her down :p
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/031c1a5e3ff58de485bbe1f0faf04ffa_zps7d5ba3da.jpg

I've had a few nightmares buying cars but this trumps them all I think!!

stribo
Sunday 7th December 2014, 16:37
So, you'll be keeping the V40 then.;)

RichT4
Sunday 7th December 2014, 17:30
So, you'll be keeping the V40 then.;)

Until this one is rebuilt, yeah :p

RichT4
Tuesday 9th December 2014, 22:22
So, after two evenings of stripping the engine down I have finally found what's happened!
I noticed some oil in the spark plug recess on cylinder two, didn't quite realise how bad it was until I got further down and noticed piston 2 had collapsed in on itself.
I'll let the photos do the talking.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/12cf99db33d4231c5b129cc32a49ed17_zpsf2eb971b.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/437f9695ae172f3f55a34285703ce415_zps9e98c020.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/6394acd49c9ccfc82bb4798f648763ce_zps46264189.jpg

JUDGENINJA
Tuesday 9th December 2014, 22:44
Oh dear..

RichT4
Tuesday 9th December 2014, 22:52
Oh dear..

Any thoughts? Lol

Ettienne
Tuesday 9th December 2014, 23:15
There are a couple of engines in harris's

M-R-P
Tuesday 9th December 2014, 23:17
Awww dude! That's a completely fubar engine!

RichT4
Tuesday 9th December 2014, 23:22
I am wondering whether to strip it back completely or just drop a new lump in it lol

oblark
Tuesday 9th December 2014, 23:27
I'm sorry to say this but who in there right mind would buy a car in Birmingham with a known engine fault and try it back to Portsmouth.

That engine is fubar'd and this is just the start of the money pit called a P2 v70.

RichT4
Tuesday 9th December 2014, 23:31
I'm sorry to say this but who in there right mind would buy a car in Birmingham with a known engine fault and try it back to Portsmouth.

That engine is fubar'd and this is just the start of the money pit called a P2 v70.

Well I'm not in my right mind, I fancied a challenge and a challenge is what I have taken on.
I don't know anyone who would want to chuck money at an old 850 but it seems quite obvious that we are all insane...right?!

t5 pete
Tuesday 9th December 2014, 23:48
Well I'm not in my right mind, I fancied a challenge and a challenge is what I have taken on.
I don't know anyone who would want to chuck money at an old 850 but it seems quite obvious that we are all insane...right?!

Old 850 how dare you lol get a new block and you will be back up and running in no time as with any car/project there all here to test us.
what are your plans for the car you could possibly look out for a 2.4 bottom.end kkk turbo and that should see 300+

RichT4
Wednesday 10th December 2014, 00:06
Old 850 how dare you lol get a new block and you will be back up and running in no time as with any car/project there all here to test us.
what are your plans for the car you could possibly look out for a 2.4 bottom.end kkk turbo and that should see 300+
Sorry lol, frustration was aimed directly at 'him'.

I'm looking into a new block ATM, :) turbo wise I haven't got a clue. Might start with forged internals providing I can afford it.

AndysR
Wednesday 10th December 2014, 00:07
Well I'm not in my right mind, I fancied a challenge and a challenge is what I have taken on.
I don't know anyone who would want to chuck money at an old 850 but it seems quite obvious that we are all insane...right?!

Cheek! Mines not even out the teens yet ;)

You spend your money on what makes you happy so sod what the audience think, I'd cut my losses and wack an entirely different lump in there preferably for a known good source and that will hopefully save you a host of future issues due to the fault with the original engine :)

M-R-P
Wednesday 10th December 2014, 00:22
Rich - quickest way around this is source another 2003-on T5 engine and stick it back together. The later 2.3 T5 lump has the stronger bottom end any way. If you get a 2.4 block you'd need to do a few mods and get a custom map straight away as there's a few differences. Use whatever ancillaries you have that work to save a few quid, source the rest through the forums and you're laughing.

Then you can move on to the fun stuff ;)

RichT4
Wednesday 10th December 2014, 00:25
Rich - quickest way around this is source another 2003-on T5 engine and stick it back together. The later 2.3 T5 lump has the stronger bottom end any way. If you get a 2.4 block you'd need to do a few mods and get a custom map straight away as there's a few differences. Use whatever ancillaries you have that work to save a few quid, source the rest through the forums and you're laughing.

Then you can move on to the fun stuff ;)
Isn't mine the later T5 engine?
I won't be getting the 2.4 block.

hemihusky
Wednesday 10th December 2014, 00:43
man sucks to hear about the engine. but will look forward to seeing what you do with it! and hey my 850 hasnt been that bad. its only eaten a water pump. aux belt tentioner. timing belt tentioner. whole radiator. turbo. and a catalist! :haha:

RichT4
Thursday 11th December 2014, 21:50
Every evening this week I have been coming home from work to take more of the car apart bit by bit.
Through every back breaking turn of the breaker bar I have finally got the engine in a position to be removed. :)
In the process I have discovered pockets of rust on the vehicle which are going to be taken care of before she gets back together.

Thankfully I have sourced a bottom end to replace this buggered one, just waiting on a call back for the price of it.

I have been thinking about up rating the pistons etc... But have decided against it this time round. I will possibly uprate the bushes and replace a majority of the seals so I have a running engine.

Instead I will keep the damaged block, my plan being that I rebuild it over time with uprated bits and make it stronger, that way I will replace it when the time comes :D

Here's some photos for your viewing pleasure:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/9def7747c8da72b0e4489f8844130841_zps3c2c3a3b.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/b66d08ccc605a2a237d65bd35600f817_zpsccc98960.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/a9f33d94e6320d3f36ee7761d35be453_zps97f94233.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/98f3f54e5b7ac3f00b805f4bf90b6708_zpsbcb60eb4.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/59f88ae305cc07eb87e0bdd623ed2dfe_zps29a371fc.jpg

Also I have finally made a list of parts she will need for her to be rebuilt.

2x suspension struts
2x droplinks
4x hub pivot bolts
Replacement inlet manifold pipe
Replace cover behind cambelt
Head gasket kit
Head bolts
Cambelt kit
Water pump
Brake fluid
Gearbox oil
Inter cooler
O ring seal for turbo oil feed return pipe

stribo
Thursday 11th December 2014, 21:54
I'd add strut top mounts to that list, yours are buggered. ;)

RichT4
Thursday 11th December 2014, 22:41
I'd add strut top mounts to that list, yours are buggered. ;)

Lol, I'll probably just replace the entire strut

M-R-P
Friday 12th December 2014, 07:50
If the bottom end you've found is from a post-2002 (preferably 2003) car, it'll have the stronger bottom end in it any way so, unless you're thinking of exceeding 320+bhp, you'll not need to worry about rods.

I'm pleased to see another plodder getting some TLC Rich (even if I think you're a bit mad for doing it ;) ) Keep it up dude and if I can help in any way, gimme a shout.

RichT4
Saturday 13th December 2014, 21:29
Took the cylinder head apart today and found 7 exhaust valves and 9 inlet valves bent.
Explains the tapping somewhat. Will use another drill to confirm tomorrow though.

Also cleaned up the n/s wheel arch and put rust killer on it, followed up by some hammerite paint.
Before:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0425_zpstqgda4tt.jpg

After:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0426_zpstsjxzacj.jpg

RichT4
Tuesday 16th December 2014, 22:46
So, removal of the engine has started:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0427_zpsvcuc06lf.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0428_zpsrkkyxnbq.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0429_zps6cwlieig.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0431_zpsdswpsv0g.jpg

My garage is too full!!!
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0432_zpss2j0vdc5.jpg

The only question I do have is relating to the fuel pipe behind the engine.
I had to cut it off by the block as I couldn't release it where you are supposed to.
How can I release the pipe??? So frustrating!

RichT4
Friday 19th December 2014, 21:18
Been spending the last few days cleaning up the chassis legs and painting some bits red. To subtly match in with what I'm planning :)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/2b918ace31c4bad9f149eec16c348654_zpsbb6ab503.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/6b63dc60d7e929e8411803135ca4817c_zps7d1981b5.jpg

stribo
Friday 19th December 2014, 22:20
Good work mate, good to see you've made some progress.

Harvey
Sunday 21st December 2014, 09:31
Good to see you getting on with it,not a very good start to volvo ownership.

I guess you will be getting a complete engine now you found out the head's valves been damaged,I guess it will save the cost of a gasket kit.

RichT4
Monday 22nd December 2014, 20:50
Good to see you getting on with it,not a very good start to volvo ownership.

I guess you will be getting a complete engine now you found out the head's valves been damaged,I guess it will save the cost of a gasket kit.

Nope, defiant as always I'm going down the more expensive route.
Will be buying a used cylinder head and doing some cool stuff with that before it goes back on.

Just had fun removing this bugger! After days of occasional hitting, spraying with wd40 and using the cutting sockets I finally win!!
My man strength, 1925degC of heat and the cutting socket finally got it undone! And here it is, a little worse for wear.


http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0438_zpsjnrolrol.jpg

I have also changed the main oil seal/diff seal, and swapped flywheels over onto the new block. :)

M-R-P
Tuesday 23rd December 2014, 00:35
Might be worth fitting a new DMF or even a lightweight fly rather than an old one mate. If it let's - go, it'll be a gearbox off job again to sort.

JamesT5
Tuesday 23rd December 2014, 00:53
And this is an 04 plate where Volvo had supposedly 'ironed out' all the failures and made improvements. :yikes:

I thought I'd been unlucky with my T5 but this takes the biscuit! Well done for sticking with it, you'll have one hell of a motor when your done and it should be an absolute monster if you spend a little and uprate the internals.

JamesT5
Tuesday 23rd December 2014, 00:56
By the way Rich, you have my sympathy on this.

Plus the Trolls will be along shortly to tell you how to rebuld your engine, all in bold highlight writing of course, and how you should just scrap the car and save yourself the money. Just ignore them; I do. :D :B_thumb:

RichT4
Tuesday 23rd December 2014, 20:19
Might be worth fitting a new DMF or even a lightweight fly rather than an old one mate. If it let's - go, it'll be a gearbox off job again to sort.

I have been considering this, might have to pass on it this time though.


And this is an 04 plate where Volvo had supposedly 'ironed out' all the failures and made improvements. :yikes:

I thought I'd been unlucky with my T5 but this takes the biscuit! Well done for sticking with it, you'll have one hell of a motor when your done and it should be an absolute monster if you spend a little and uprate the internals.

Fingers crossed I can come across some funds soon, more I have then the more I can do with it.

claymore
Tuesday 23rd December 2014, 20:27
By the way Rich, you have my sympathy on this.

Plus the Trolls will be along shortly to tell you how to rebuld your engine, all in bold highlight writing of course, and how you should just scrap the car and save yourself the money. Just ignore them; I do. :D :B_thumb:
You just can't stop yourself can you, and you wonder why so many people dislike you and that there is a whole Facebook page dedicated just to you.

JamesT5
Tuesday 23rd December 2014, 20:29
I have been considering this, might have to pass on it this time though.



Fingers crossed I can come across some funds soon, more I have then the more I can do with it.

Yes, it's very tempting to do those extra jobs. To be honest, whilst you've got the engine in bits it's a good opportunity to fit uprated rods and a bigger turbo etc. Essentially, you set the car up for a 400+bhp setup. It'll be one hell of a car! :D

RichT4
Tuesday 23rd December 2014, 23:40
Yes, it's very tempting to do those extra jobs. To be honest, whilst you've got the engine in bits it's a good opportunity to fit uprated rods and a bigger turbo etc. Essentially, you set the car up for a 400+bhp setup. It'll be one hell of a car! :D

I do agree, the problem is that I may only have this garage until February which means I have to pay for bits that I need to set aside for rent.

M-R-P
Tuesday 23rd December 2014, 23:43
An engine swap would have it on the road quickly... :shifty:

RichT4
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 08:42
An engine swap would have it on the road quickly... :shifty:

Lol
I know!!! I'm trying to be clever here, so shhh :p

JamesT5
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 10:54
Rich, is it still the 2.3 T5 in there? If so, I think most would say swap it for the 2.4 T5 which incidentally maps better than the 2.5 'R' engine (I'm told by several people). I assume that you would pick up the ECU that goes with the new engine otherwise it'll need a tow to the Main Stealer for a software upload (obviously).

Good luck with this whichever path you choose, I personally look forward to seeing another P2 saved from the crusher and hopefully a really good car at the end of it. :B_thumb:

claymore
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 11:24
Rich, is it still the 2.3 T5 in there? If so, I think most would say swap it for the 2.4 T5 which incidentally maps better than the 2.5 'R' engine (I'm told by several people). I assume that you would pick up the ECU that goes with the new engine otherwise it'll need a tow to the Main Stealer for a software upload (obviously).

Good luck with this whichever path you choose, I personally look forward to seeing another P2 saved from the crusher and hopefully a really good car at the end of it. :B_thumb:

Step away from the keyboard James, everything you have just written is rubbish. What do you mean by "maps better", why would he need to change the ecu? an engine is an engine I have a 2.4 in my old 850 and surprise surprise, I didn't need to tow it to the main dealer or even alter the map initially, stop quoting hearsay (that you don't actually understand).
Rich, as I posted earlyer, what ever you do, do not take any advice from the above poster.

S70T5Chris
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 11:36
Rich, is it still the 2.3 T5 in there? If so, I think most would say swap it for the 2.4 T5 which incidentally maps better than the 2.5 'R' engine (I'm told by several people). I assume that you would pick up the ECU that goes with the new engine otherwise it'll need a tow to the Main Stealer for a software upload (obviously).

Good luck with this whichever path you choose, I personally look forward to seeing another P2 saved from the crusher and hopefully a really good car at the end of it. :B_thumb:

I just can't figure out if you purposefully post tripe like this just to get a reaction. Or are you just that clueless and misinformed?

You really must stop giving people your advise, because whist your intentions MAY be genuine, it's so misguided.

JamesT5
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:09
No, the information I gave is genuine. You can get much more out of a 2.4 T5 than the 2.5 'R' engine, I've heard the same information from 2 remap specialists, one was HLM!

Colin, Chris - go and do a google search and you'll see that the 2.4 T5 is considered a better engine for remap potential than the 2.5 'R' engine.

The ECU's are coded to work with each engine, so a software reload or update as a minimum, would likely be needed if you you your old ECU with a different engine.

Rich, what ever you do, do not take any advice from the above two posters. I refer you to my reply earlier (#38).

claymore
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:15
The reason the 2.4 is better than the 2.5 is because it is a little less prone to split it's liners, nothing to do with mapping, and as for the ecu, why the hell would you need to change it, explain properly please, I have a 435bhp 2.4 engine in my car with an old 4.3 ecu, you just haven't got a clue what you are talking about, so should Rich listen to someone who has managed to double the horse power in his car, or someone wha has lost 50bhpm and can't even get his car running with standard hp?

JamesT5
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:18
The reason the 2.4 is better than the 2.5 is because it is a little less prone to split it's liners, nothing to do with mapping, and as for the ecu, why the hell would you need to change it, explain properly please, I have a 435bhp 2.4 engine in my car with an old 4.3 ecu, you just haven't got a clue what you are talking about, so should Rich listen to someone who has managed to double the horse power in his car, or someone wha has lost 50bhpm and can't even get his car running with standard hp?

Colin, I've PM'd you with some information, I suggest you read and digest it before posting any further replies to the advice I'm giving Rich.

JamesT5
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:20
The reason the 2.4 is better than the 2.5 is because it is a little less prone to split it's liners, nothing to do with mapping, and as for the ecu, why the hell would you need to change it, explain properly please, I have a 435bhp 2.4 engine in my car with an old 4.3 ecu, you just haven't got a clue what you are talking about, so should Rich listen to someone who has managed to double the horse power in his car, or someone wha has lost 50bhpm and can't even get his car running with standard hp?

Colin, you're running an older engine, the P2 models are far more sensitive to ECU and software issues.

The performance issues on my T5 aren't relevant to Rich's situation.

claymore
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:21
Colin, you're running an older engine, the P2 models are far more sensitive to ECU and software issues.

The performance issues on my T5 aren't relevant to Rich's situation.
My engine is out of a 2004 car :)

claymore
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:23
Colin, I've PM'd you with some information, I suggest you read and digest it before posting any further replies to the advice I'm giving Rich.
I have replied to your PM :), feel free to post it up :)

JamesT5
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:28
My engine is out of a 2004 car :)

And because your car is still WIP, I think you'll find, whether you choose to share it or not, that the software will need to be updated to accommodate the changes.

ExternalError
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:29
James I dont want to have a go but you are wrong an engine is an engine at the end of the day and will run so long as you give it the right timings for fuel injection and the like, it may run rough on another older ecu but it will still work so long as the instructions sent from the older ecu are in sync or near to in sync than with the original that's how people run custom ecu's on there cars. The difference between ME7 and 4.3/4.4 was the ME7 had a faster canbus which means it could react quicker to changes the sensors were reporting back, this is why your more likely to have a bent rod in a car running 4.3/4.4 than an ME7 because the ME7 is faster at controlling the boost pressure so it doesn't spike and bend a rod.

claymore
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:31
And because your car is still WIP, I think you'll find, whether you choose to share it or not, that the software will need to be updated to accommodate the changes.

Lol, I've been running that engine for nearly two years...lol, does this look like an engine that needs a 'software update'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZq8jW-GBlk

oblark
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:34
No, the information I gave is genuine. You can get much more out of a 2.4 T5 than the 2.5 'R' engine, I've heard the same information from 2 remap specialists, one was HLM!

Colin, Chris - go and do a google search and you'll see that the 2.4 T5 is considered a better engine for remap potential than the 2.5 'R' engine.

The ECU's are coded to work with each engine, so a software reload or update as a minimum, would likely be needed if you you your old ECU with a different engine.

Rich, what ever you do, do not take any advice from the above two posters. I refer you to my reply earlier (#38).

Little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

anyone who knows anything about motor vehicles wouldn't take any advice from James as they would realise the information he gives out is bull££££.

JamesT5
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:35
If and engine is and engine, then I shall get mine running stock and then tune it to 400bhp. There's one way to settle this for sure, I'll ask the Master Tech at the Main Stealers next time I'm in getting parts, if they say it needs a reload or update then that's gospel.

ExternalError
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:42
an engine is only as strong as its weakest part so you wont be able to tune to 400bhp unless you upgrade some of the parts, and this will require a remap to alter engine timings etc. The difference between the 2.5 and the 2.4 engine is that the liners are thiner on the 2.5 so they are more suseptable to cracking due to expansion. This is the weak spot in the 2.5 engine so in order to get more out of it you need to either shim the liners or get darton liners fitted. Look at the ford boys for how effective you can tune the 2.5 engine as they run a compact model of the same engine in the R's and they are getting 400+bhp out of them I know as 2 of my friends are running full RS conversions with darton liners and garret turbos and are pushing 420-430bhp

oblark
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:45
Little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

anyone who knows anything about motor vehicles wouldn't take any advice from James as they would realise the information he gives out is bull££££.

With referance to your PM, the imformation you have posted on this and other threads is factually incorrect.

JamesT5
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:45
an engine is only as strong as its weakest part so you wont be able to tune to 400bhp unless you upgrade some of the parts, and this will require a remap to alter engine timings etc. The difference between the 2.5 and the 2.4 engine is that the liners are thiner on the 2.5 so they are more suseptable to cracking due to expansion. This is the weak spot in the 2.5 engine so in order to get more out of it you need to either shim the liners or get darton liners fitted. Look at the ford boys for how effective you can tune the 2.5 engine as they run a compact model of the same engine in the R's and they are getting 400+bhp out of them I know as 2 of my friends are running full RS conversions with darton liners and garret turbos and are pushing 420-430bhp

In other words, the 2.4 T5 has more remapping potential than the 2.5 'R' engine. Exactly what I said, irrespective of the reasons behind it.

ExternalError
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:49
Not really because if your looking at over 350bhp id suggest shimming the liners on a 2.4 also

JamesT5
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:54
Not really because if your looking at over 350bhp id suggest shimming the liners on a 2.4 also

Not from what I've read.

claymore
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 13:57
Not from what I've read.

And there is the problem, so we should all listen to you because you've read something (but not understood it) or should we listen to people who have actually worked on these engines and have the results to back them up.

ExternalError
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 14:00
As a precaution i would recomend it but ill admit i dont know as much as some

oblark
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 14:02
And there is the problem, so we should all listen to you because you've read something (but not understood it) or should we listen to people who have actually worked on these engines and have the results to back them up.

Experience is a wonderful thing,

Santa
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 14:32
God there's some tripe above.

There will be instances where the 2.4 is preferred and some where the 2.5 is......it depends on the end result desired and what work you are willing to do to get there.

Nothing to do with which engine maps better and there's far more to it than just the block and head anyway.

stribo
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 16:00
Well, that's another thread ruined by JamesT5, maybe a mod can delete all his drivel, or relocate it (fortunately I can only read what's been quoted but that's bad enough) so we can get back to seeing how Rich gets on with his project.

Ettienne
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 16:23
From what I've seen there seems to be a trend of reverting back to 2.5s and shimming before any tuning.

Mines on 4k now (shimmed split) and will be 350 ish shortly.

Pay your money and make your choice of which way to go.

May be worth mentioning to all newbies, jamest5 talks nonsense mostly, doesn't own an R and can't get his own car to out run a diesel on the roller (just saying like)

S70T5Chris
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 16:32
No, the information I gave is genuine. You can get much more out of a 2.4 T5 than the 2.5 'R' engine, I've heard the same information from 2 remap specialists, one was HLM!

Colin, Chris - go and do a google search and you'll see that the 2.4 T5 is considered a better engine for remap potential than the 2.5 'R' engine.

The ECU's are coded to work with each engine, so a software reload or update as a minimum, would likely be needed if you you your old ECU with a different engine.

Rich, what ever you do, do not take any advice from the above two posters. I refer you to my reply earlier (#38).

You are so ill informed and uneducated, I don't know whether to laugh at you, or feel sorry for you. A bit of both really.

The 2.4/2.5 debate, is not even really a debate anymore. You're about 2 years behind my friend. As pointed out the reason in the past people have fitted the 2.4 in the R's was they were less likely to end up with split liners, when pushed. Not because you can get more out of the 2.4 engine, or they 'map better'. Jeez, you are a schmuk. I have a 2.4 in my S60R, and I am telling you, the levels of power/torque on the same setups are neither here nor there when comparing the 2.4 with the 2.5. These days it is much cheaper and well tried and tested just to shim the 2.5 (and the 2.4 to be on the safe side) rather than swap engine. 2 years after I swapped to a 2.4; If I was buying an R today, I would just shim the 2.5.

As always you've read/heard something, interpreted it in your own way, and come out looking like a bafoon once again.

Hamish Lindsey couldn't tune a guitar. The ONLY reason people use HLM is because they are the cheapest, that's it. Everyone can pretend its for Hamish's superior tuning knowledge, expert use of cable ties or charming personality, but the price is what gets customers through his door these days, nothing else IMO.

By the way, I know Rich. I've met him several times. I've had dinner with him. He's a nice lad, and clearly switched on, far more clever and capable than me, and certainly makes you look like a monkey ££££ing a football. Get your facts straight before letting your brain control what you piss onto these pages.

No offence like.

Ettienne
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 16:41
Just reading through the thread properly as I was out, well what can I say another thread completely ruined.

I've just noticed its riches project thread nice one you spanner James. I'm sure a sensible mod will remove the nonsense.

You realise people will read this new to the forum and think because of your post count you know what your talking about James.

Can we have a caution under his username? "Caution do not take tuning advise from me" ?

AndysR
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 16:51
Rich fair play to you, the project is still moving forwards and your efforts with it are admired from a far.

As for the engine scenario I'd stick with the 2.3 as I'm sure you can get plenty of power from that to make you happy :)

In relation to the 2.5 engine when I buy my R it would remain a 2.5, based on what I've read and been told but then I've no personal experience. My experience with cars when it's above my understanding and knowledge is to invest in the help of a pro who knows what their doing to work on it :)

LiamT4
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 18:05
And this is an 04 plate where Volvo had supposedly 'ironed out' all the failures and made improvements. :yikes:.

Is it a facelift model though? The fact that its an 04 plate tells us nothing more than when it was registered, not if its actually a facelift model.

Looks like its got the pre 04 headlights on.

RichT4
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 18:38
Right, thank you for the above comments :) I won't need the admin to clean up the thread as this is the most response it has had since it started.
And incidentally there has been some good inputs from everyone, some important data has come from it and it will help me in future.

To clear matters up, I shall be shimming the liners on this 2.3 block provided somebody can give me details on cost and who can provide the shims.

As regards to swapping engines, I'll stick with the 2.3, learn the engine, it's advantages and disadvantages and take it from there.

So if anyone knows of a cylinder head with straight valves going cheap, please let me know as I will be on the hunt after Christmas.


On a side note, if anyone has any electrical work that needs doing next week here in the south, let me know as I need the extra cash.

claymore
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 18:45
You won't need to shim a 2.3 :)

RichT4
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 18:58
You won't need to shim a 2.3 :)

I was advised that these can be weak on these 2.3 engines? I stand corrected lol

Ettienne
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 19:16
Right, thank you for the above comments :) I won't need the admin to clean up the thread as this is the most response it has had since it started.
And incidentally there has been some good inputs from everyone, some important data has come from it and it will help me in future.

To clear matters up, I shall be shimming the liners on this 2.3 block provided somebody can give me details on cost and who can provide the shims.

As regards to swapping engines, I'll stick with the 2.3, learn the engine, it's advantages and disadvantages and take it from there.

So if anyone knows of a cylinder head with straight valves going cheap, please let me know as I will be on the hunt after Christmas.


On a side note, if anyone has any electrical work that needs doing next week here in the south, let me know as I need the extra cash.

I'll shim the block for you, for free, well you can buy me lunch.

I have everything that's needed, but it's not really essential as you have slimmer pistons.

But the offer is there.

RichT4
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 19:25
I'll shim the block for you, for free, well you can buy me lunch.

I have everything that's needed, but it's not really essential as you have slimmer pistons.

But the offer is there.

Sounds like a sound offer! do you have any other skills and parts I should be aware of? Lol
So what you guys are saying is that it's not something that needs doing on this block?

Ettienne
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 19:31
Sounds like a sound offer! do you have any other skills and parts I should be aware of? Lol
So what you guys are saying is that it's not something that needs doing on this block?

No it's not necessary as claymore was trying to say above.

I work,on my own cars and make brakes for them, oh and shim the liners.

RichT4
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 19:37
No it's not necessary as claymore was trying to say above.

I work,on my own cars and make brakes for them, oh and shim the liners.

Don't by any chance skim heads and port and polish do you? Lol

AndysR
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 19:58
Depends what power your going to be running, Russ's Peril saloon got to 592 bhp before the 2.3 split a liner running something like 2.8 bar of boost if I remember correctly...

Ettienne
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 20:11
Don't by any chance skim heads and port and polish do you? Lol

Funnily I used to on bike engine and 2 strokes but no not now. Just use a good company.

Ettienne
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 20:11
Depends what power your going to be running, Russ's Peril saloon got to 592 bhp before the 2.3 split a liner running something like 2.8 bar of boost if I remember correctly...

A bit overkill for rich, possibly lol

RichT4
Wednesday 24th December 2014, 20:13
A bit overkill for rich, possibly lol

Lol, on this engine perhaps yes.
I'm looking to rebuild another engine over time, so then I shall look at going further maybe.

RichT4
Saturday 27th December 2014, 22:20
Painted the strut towers and fitted the suspension struts today
Not perfect but the imperfect bits will be hidden.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/04dd38930e4304bd9d275347263a7359_zps0cb0f0f6.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/144b21ca17fbb1c116bcf368bc66da65_zps8c1d0883.jpg

AndysR
Saturday 27th December 2014, 22:38
Nothing wrong with a little freshen up, nice work :)

JamesT5
Sunday 28th December 2014, 00:42
Painted the strut towers and fitted the suspension struts today
Not perfect but the imperfect bits will be hidden.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/04dd38930e4304bd9d275347263a7359_zps0cb0f0f6.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/144b21ca17fbb1c116bcf368bc66da65_zps8c1d0883.jpg

Reminds me, I need to do mine on the t5, they're rusting nicely at the moment and one day they'll rust through. A bit of rust stopper. some etch primer and paint the clear coat will do the trick.

Nice job on yours there Rich!

stribo
Sunday 28th December 2014, 00:45
I hope they were new strut top mounts you fitted. ;)

JamesT5
Sunday 28th December 2014, 00:46
You won't need to shim a 2.3 :)

Hang on a minute, the 2.3 T5 is the 'inferior' engine (as people claim) so why not improve it! :confused:

Jamest5r
Sunday 28th December 2014, 00:55
Hang on a minute, the 2.3 T5 is the 'inferior' engine (as people claim) so why not improve it! :confused:

Nothing inferior about the 2.3, more robust I'd say :)

JamesT5
Sunday 28th December 2014, 00:57
Nothing inferior about the 2.3, more robust I'd say :)

So how come people like Graeme Welch keep swearing by the 2.4 T5 claiming it's the dogs *****cks! Makes no sense to me at all........

:wtf:

Jamest5r
Sunday 28th December 2014, 01:02
So how come people like Graeme Welch keep swearing by the 2.4 T5 claiming it's the dogs *****cks! Makes no sense to me at all........

:wtf:

Start another thread and ask, I'm not gonna wreck this one

JamesT5
Sunday 28th December 2014, 01:07
I hope they were new strut top mounts you fitted. ;)

One thing I will agree with is new strut mounts, and not cheap ones either. Sadly, after 2 years my o/s front strut mount is now knocking about like a drummer in a biscuit tin. I think IPD uprated ones or OE is the best.

By the way, don't anyone believe the hype about "using XC-90 ones", I'm told by my local Volvo specialist and the Parts guys at my local Volvo dealers, that the XC-90 parts are exactly the same 'grade' of material as those used on the V70/S80/S60 and are not 'uprated' as some people seem to think.

MoleT-5R
Sunday 28th December 2014, 03:49
[QUOTE=JamesT5;753445]Reminds me, I need to do mine on the t5, they're rusting nicely at the moment and one day they'll rust through. A bit of rust stopper. some etch primer and paint the clear coat will do the trick./QUOTE]

see more ££££££££, if they rust though there will be nothing to put your rust stopper on or your paint and clear coat.......

RichT4
Sunday 28th December 2014, 09:15
I hope they were new strut top mounts you fitted. ;)

I bought used Suspension struts in the end as the others were to badly rotten, these funnily enough looked like they just had new top mounts. :) Shall find out when i drive it eventually.

And stop arguing you two :D i might just have to smack your hands for being naughty.

claymore
Sunday 28th December 2014, 10:33
One thing I will agree with is new strut mounts, and not cheap ones either. Sadly, after 2 years my o/s front strut mount is now knocking about like a drummer in a biscuit tin. I think IPD uprated ones or OE is the best.

By the way, don't anyone believe the hype about "using XC-90 ones", I'm told by my local Volvo specialist and the Parts guys at my local Volvo dealers, that the XC-90 parts are exactly the same 'grade' of material as those used on the V70/S80/S60 and are not 'uprated' as some people seem to think.
And what about us with earlier cars, as it happens the xc90 ones are an upgrade to the standard 850/p1's and the only reason the P2 use the xc-90 strut tops is because they discontinues the 'inferiour' ones that the P2 originally came with. (another half a story from you James)

stribo
Sunday 28th December 2014, 11:19
[QUOTE=JamesT5;753445]Reminds me, I need to do mine on the t5, they're rusting nicely at the moment and one day they'll rust through. A bit of rust stopper. some etch primer and paint the clear coat will do the trick./QUOTE]

see more ££££££££, if they rust though there will be nothing to put your rust stopper on or your paint and clear coat.......

Having seen them mate, I'd be surprised if they'd pass another M.O.T. then the car will be scrap. ;)

claymore
Sunday 28th December 2014, 11:30
[QUOTE=MoleT-5R;753475]

Having seen them mate, I'd be surprised if they'd pass another M.O.T. then the car will be scrap. ;)

Nothing a little liquid metal and a slap of paint won't hide ;)

stribo
Sunday 28th December 2014, 11:57
[QUOTE=stribo;753496]

Nothing a little liquid metal and a slap of paint won't hide ;)

:slap: of course, silly me. :D

RichT4
Sunday 28th December 2014, 12:28
[QUOTE=stribo;753496]

Nothing a little liquid metal and a slap of paint won't hide ;)
And a friend in the mot station :)

hemihusky
Sunday 28th December 2014, 12:51
always great to have good freinds at the mot station. turned up with my mates golf MK1 one day. slammed to the ground. streachy tires. side exit straight pipe. no cat. looked at it n said "you modified it after it came in here right?" yes. yes we did. looks good tho rich can paint a lot better than i can! XD

RichT4
Sunday 28th December 2014, 13:30
always great to have good freinds at the mot station. turned up with my mates golf MK1 one day. slammed to the ground. streachy tires. side exit straight pipe. no cat. looked at it n said "you modified it after it came in here right?" yes. yes we did. looks good tho rich can paint a lot better than i can! XD

Lmao, of course mate of course!

It's not perfect the paint job, but enough to make a difference.

hemihusky
Sunday 28th December 2014, 14:21
if it aint got runny streaks its good in my book =P ive tried painting my own rip kit anthricite before. first coat went amazing. 2nd coat ****ed it up n had to go back to square 1

RichT4
Monday 2nd February 2015, 14:35
Been a while since I've updated this, had a major setback in that the engine I had put in had compression issues.

So after a lengthy trip up to Birmingham, I picked up a replacement complete engine to chuck in and get it purely on the road.
The gamble of not seeing it run before hand worked and she is now running, and aside from a few niggles, running fine :)
Here is a photo of her finally on the road.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0492_zpskit2rfhl.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0492_zpskit2rfhl.jpg.html)

Videos will come later hehe

stribo
Monday 2nd February 2015, 15:46
Glad you've got it going mate, hopefully see it at the next softies meet.

RichT4
Saturday 7th February 2015, 22:15
Videos as promised!
http://vid287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/VID-20150131-WA0000_zpstszdbljb.mp4
http://vid287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/VID-20150131-WA0000_zpstszdbljb.mp4

RichT4
Saturday 14th March 2015, 20:41
It's been a while since i have updated this thread, not a lot has changed since... Until today!!

Acquired myself a rear Spoiler, and made a trip to the Scrapyard to pick up a few bits; Door seal, Front grill and plastic trim to go onto the bumper.
I thought i'd experiment with fitting an S60 egg crate grill onto the V70 bumper, i know there are differences in the size of the grills, but after a bit of cutting, jigging and playing around, it fitted lovely.

Also bought a new uprated bush to go on the stabiliser bar. The Girlfriend helped a lot with sorting out the car today and i am most grateful!
Here are some photos detailing the work we have done.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0553_zpsqsckti5f.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0553_zpsqsckti5f.jpg.html)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0554_zpsmeqyz2te.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0554_zpsmeqyz2te.jpg.html)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0555_zpsehzaxoqp.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0555_zpsehzaxoqp.jpg.html)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0556_zpscv0j8gr1.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0556_zpscv0j8gr1.jpg.html)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0557_zpsqa5l28a8.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0557_zpsqa5l28a8.jpg.html)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0559_zpsq1zwvjyl.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0559_zpsq1zwvjyl.jpg.html)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0560_zpsgwwtp41r.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0560_zpsgwwtp41r.jpg.html)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0561_zpsj4ltdrnv.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0561_zpsj4ltdrnv.jpg.html)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/richcrawshaw/volvo%20T5/DSC_0562_zpsvuwr6ymj.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/richcrawshaw/media/volvo%20T5/DSC_0562_zpsvuwr6ymj.jpg.html)

I fitted a new siren today, but the alarm service required message is still coming up, much to my frustration.

Shinsplintz 101
Saturday 14th March 2015, 21:14
Well done getting the better half involved. Mine just rolls her eyes & wanders off muttering about bloody money pits, etc...