What a difference

[JamesT5]

I've been driving the S60 to work mostly as you know, but just now and again I'll take the V70 T5 for a run. What a treat, I forget how well the T5 handles compared to the S60, it's a totally different driving experience. I can throw it round bends and it just sticks to the road like glue compared to the S60, although the S60 D5 has better boost from a stand still, it kicks in sooner whereas the T5 tends to have a more gradual power curve.

Just thought I should share this. :D

[stribo]

Would that have anything to do with the fact the T5 is fitted with half a ton of black poly bushes, and the S60 isn't. Once the S60 has been given the same treatment as the V70, it'll easily out handle it.

[JamesT5]

Would that have anything to do with the fact the T5 is fitted with half a ton of black poly bushes, and the S60 isn't. Once the S60 has been given the same treatment as the V70, it'll easily out handle it.

Don't tempt me. :D

[Sharkey R]

Don't tempt me. :D

Do it, would love to see you waste the money you're supposed to be saving by having it. Oh and I'm surprised you haven't picked up on the fact that a Diesel engine is considerably heavier than the petrol engine therefore compromising handling by making it more nose heavy plus having the inferior interior should make it lighter too to even more nose heavy. MAP the D5 and put a huge inter cooler on it and updated anti roll bars and coil overs. Go on do it James you know you want to!!

[JamesT5]

Do it, would love to see you waste the money you're supposed to be saving by having it. Oh and I'm surprised you haven't picked up on the fact that a Diesel engine is considerably heavier than the petrol engine therefore compromising handling by making it more nose heavy plus having the inferior interior should make it lighter too to even more nose heavy. MAP the D5 and put a huge inter cooler on it and updated anti roll bars and coil overs. Go on do it James you know you want to!!

:welcome: :mischievo

[stephenevans99]

.... although the S60 D5 has better boost from a stand still, it kicks in sooner whereas the T5 tends to have a more gradual power curve.
Just thought I should share this. :D

It's called TORQUE.

Just thought I'd share THAT :D

[claymore]

A lot of people have more than one Volvo, but don't feel the need to start new threads full of drivel comparing their cars, I prefer my 850 to my S60, but I don't feel I need to start a thread just to tell everyone. I must admit it's been a pleasant week on vpcuk while you were on your 84 hour week.

[stephenevans99]

A lot of people have more than one Volvo, but don't feel the need to start new threads full of drivel comparing their cars, I prefer my 850 to my S60, but I don't feel I need to start a thread just to tell everyone. I must admit it's been a pleasant week on vpcuk while you were on your 84 hour week.

Bugger....I've just done 3500 words on Yaris vs S60 :(

[claymore]

Bugger....I've just done 3500 words on Yaris vs S60 :(
Is the S60 inferior to the Yaris?

[stephenevans99]

pmsl.....7 speed gearbox in the Yaris WITH paddle shifts & Sports Shift Button :) It's awesome

[MIKESC70T5]

A lot of people have more than one Volvo, but don't feel the need to start new threads full of drivel comparing their cars, I prefer my 850 to my S60, but I don't feel I need to start a thread just to tell everyone. I must admit it's been a pleasant week on vpcuk while you were on your 84 hour week.

Can I compare my 92000 mile petrol M3 to my new 7000 mile diesel Golf lol. I was very surprised that the golf does better mpg but doesn't go as fast or handle as well as the M

[M-R-P]

V70 v starlet...?

[MoleT-5R]

V70 v starlet...?

and ??????........... starlet is superior.......lol ;)

[M-R-P]

and ??????........... starlet is superior.......lol ;)

Well it does have an electric sunroof...

And in 18 months, it's cost me 250 quid including 4 tyres, 2 wheel bearings,a sensor and an MOT. That's cheaper than the tax on the v70.

[JamesT5]

It's called TORQUE.

Just thought I'd share THAT :D

The D5 has 340nm of torque, the T5 has 330nm of torque. If that's the difference between 10nm then hec knows what 70nm on a remap would be like.

[JamesT5]

A lot of people have more than one Volvo, but don't feel the need to start new threads full of drivel comparing their cars, I prefer my 850 to my S60, but I don't feel I need to start a thread just to tell everyone. I must admit it's been a pleasant week on vpcuk while you were on your 84 hour week.

Your comments fly in the face of what this forum is here for.

[stephenevans99]

The D5 has 340nm of torque, the T5 has 330nm of torque. If that's the difference between 10nm then hec knows what 70nm on a remap would be like.

But look how that torque is delivered......D5 delivers 340Nm at 1750rpm whilst the T5 delivers it from 2400rpm - there's the difference mate

[JamesT5]

But look how that torque is delivered......D5 delivers 340Nm at 1750rpm whilst the T5 delivers it from 2400rpm - there's the difference mate

A custom map can soon change that. :D

[t5 pete]

Oh dear it will also change the shape of your rods aswell

[merc85]

A custom map can soon change that. :D

and the same would be said for the d5,

My Merc for instance is very brisk 500nms at 1800rpm, fingers crossed is being remapped next wk to 580nms :dgrin:

[JamesT5]

Oh dear it will also change the shape of your rods aswell

That's a bit of an exaggeration Pete.

[t5 pete]

You really dont have a clue do you james why do you think tuners bring the boost in later

[JamesT5]

You really dont have a clue do you james why do you think tuners bring the boost in later

I felt the boost in MRP's car earlier this year and it kicks in a lot sooner than my own T5.

[t5 pete]

Every thing will feel different if his has been mapped

[MIKESC70T5]

James, I know you think a lot of your suggestions/ comments are beneficial, but seriously you haven't got a clue when it comes to a lot of subjects reference mechanics/ tuning and I'd hate for some newbie to come on here and take you up on your advice and do some real damage to their car.

[JamesT5]

James, I know you think a lot of your suggestions/ comments are beneficial, but seriously you haven't got a clue when it comes to a lot of subjects reference mechanics/ tuning and I'd hate for some newbie to come on here and take you up on your advice and do some real damage to their car.

I can give advice, it's up to others if they follow it or take notice. Plus, I'm hardly going to be mapping cars am I, I'd leave that to a specialist. If you don't like my suggestions then please put me on ignore (as I know some have) and stop giving me stick.

[claymore]

Your comments fly in the face of what this forum is here for.
This forum is here for everyone, but other people don't feel the need to post incessantly the first thing that pops into their heads.

[JamesT5]

This forum is here for everyone, but other people don't feel the need to post incessantly the first thing that pops into their heads.

As I said, if you don't like it Colin, then don't read it, simple as.

[Ettienne]

James, I know you think a lot of your suggestions/ comments are beneficial, but seriously you haven't got a clue when it comes to a lot of subjects reference mechanics/ tuning and I'd hate for some newbie to come on here and take you up on your advice and do some real damage to their car.

This is exactly what I was thinking on the tuning the lpt thread (but a bit more politely) and the tuning the t6, I appreciate the feedback james, but if they could be maybe based on something you've done or know of that would be more constructive, with a link perhaps. Do you have a bit of a problem understanding Volvos, because some of the comments could as mike says cause potential damage or just totally not correct and instantly show up with people who have some knowledge with them.

[MIKESC70T5]

I can give advice, it's up to others if they follow it or take notice. Plus, I'm hardly going to be mapping cars am I, I'd leave that to a specialist. If you don't like my suggestions then please put me on ignore (as I know some have) and stop giving me stick.

Wasn't giving you stick. Like yourself I'm entitled to give an opinion and my opinion is you should carry a health warning lol. Can you not see, you posting on things you no nothing about could lead to some serious damage to someone's pride and joy.
If someone started a thread asking if we had any doctors on here as he needed some advice on a heart condition for example, I'd only expect a doctor to give advice, but I bet you would jump in and say something wouldn't you? Same applies to engine questions, you have no professional knowledge so shouldn't say anything.

[MoleT-5R]

I can give advice, it's up to others if they follow it or take notice. Plus, I'm hardly going to be mapping cars am I, I'd leave that to a specialist. If you don't like my suggestions then please put me on ignore (as I know some have) and stop giving me stick.

And you wonder why you rub people up the wrong way and they have a pop at you!!!!. read your own post and think about what could happen, I feel sorry for any newbie who reads your tripe and does follow it, as if it all goes wrong you don't give a sh#t going by your quoted post. That sort of think is well out of order and not beneficial to this forum

[Santa]

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

And I'm actually paying for this

[MoleT-5R]

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

And I'm actually paying for this

Feel for you mate....and I'm not the only one

[Santa]

Feel for you mate....and I'm not the only one

Forums are supposed to be insightful places and clubs are supposed to be formed of a group of like minded people.

Anyway, back to professionalism (sorry for the lapse) and an attempt to balance this out.
Again this is all very subjective.


James, your V70 may handle better than your S60. Actually comparing those two particular cars James own, I'd believe him.
What went wrong with the first post, was it in the writing or the reading? I've been asking myself this for the last 5 minutes. It read as almost a general comparison between the S60 and V70 (which would be dangerous as mentioned as someone reading the post may actually be left believing the "handling" of a V70 is superior to that of the S60 when things are like for like) though I know it can only be a comparison of those two particular cars James own, not factory fresh standard examples.
I find myself wondering what was the driving force between the original post. Was it supposed to be informative (though missing some information but not through malice) or an attempt at a genuine wind up?
Were some of the responses going slightly too far? Yes mis-information needs correction, it is why this site is a forum and not someones blog and ignoring each other doesn't help to serve a greater purpose. (Though to be honest I can personally see why some of the responses go beyond information correction).


Don't know, I need to bang my head on the brick wall a bit more me thinks. (Suggestions on a postcard though).




(This post wasn't intended to be personal to anyone).

[MIKESC70T5]

Ban all for us until we all promise to buy a Toyota Prius as they out handle and accelerate any v70 or s60 because they are a superior car lol.

[t5 pete]

Forums are supposed to be insightful places and clubs are supposed to be formed of a group of like minded people.

Anyway, back to professionalism (sorry for the lapse) and an attempt to balance this out.
Again this is all very subjective.


James, your V70 may handle better than your S60. Actually comparing those two particular cars James own, I'd believe him.
What went wrong with the first post, was it in the writing or the reading? I've been asking myself this for the last 5 minutes. It read as almost a general comparison between the S60 and V70 (which would be dangerous as mentioned as someone reading the post may actually be left believing the "handling" of a V70 is superior to that of the S60 when things are like for like) though I know it can only be a comparison of those two particular cars James own, not factory fresh standard examples.
I find myself wondering what was the driving force between the original post. Was it supposed to be informative (though missing some information but not through malice) or an attempt at a genuine wind up?
Were some of the responses going slightly too far? Yes mis-information needs correction, it is why this site is a forum and not someones blog and ignoring each other doesn't help to serve a greater purpose. (Though to be honest I can personally see why some of the responses go beyond information correction).


Don't know, I need to bang my head on the brick wall a bit more me thinks. (Suggestions on a postcard though).




(This post wasn't intended to be personal to anyone).

Be carefull Rich all that over thinking will have you posting like James dreadfully stuff that thinking lol

[volvokid]

James will probably stop posting on this thread now that he has had enough bites. What thread will be next.

[t5 pete]

Please bring stainsey back James and him would be best buddys

[Harvey]

Well it does have an electric sunroof...

And in 18 months, it's cost me 250 quid including 4 tyres, 2 wheel bearings,a sensor and an MOT. That's cheaper than the tax on the v70.

I've got a electric sunroof in my V70 but my Vw transporter hasn't so what more can I say ?.

[stribo]

Playing devil's advocate, I'm sure JamesT5 has the best of intentions, but unfortunately hasn't got the practical knowledge himself, so just quotes info that he's read, unaware it's out of context.

[MoleT-5R]

Playing devil's advocate, I'm sure JamesT5 has the best of intentions, but unfortunately hasn't got the practical knowledge himself, so just quotes info that he's read, unaware it's out of context.

on the fence ????? but I know what you mean

[Gold 'N' Brown]

Playing devil's advocate, I'm sure JamesT5 has the best of intentions, but unfortunately hasn't got the practical knowledge himself, so just quotes info that he's read, unaware it's out of context.

Also playing Devil's Advocate......Firstly, I'm sure many of us have commented on forums (not just this one) and passed off information in such a way as to be construed as fact, whilst it is only based on our own experience. I know I have. Some may have even repeated information that they have heard/read in an effort to be helpful. I know I have. I think the critical part is how you represent information - by all means comment freely and state opinions but think about how you write it. Making statements that sound like fact, when they are based on no first hand experience, no understanding of the subject matter, and are simply repeating other people's information is a dangerous game. How do you know that the source of information you are repeating is correct?

A forum like this should be a live and archival source of technical information (as well as a community). If the information is diluted by incorrect advice, then it loses it's value. Every member has a duty to be considerate to that fact.


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

And I'm actually paying for this

I'd be more worried about the majority of other content that you are paying for! I'll make no apology for being frank about this, but a large percentage of what I see posted on this forum is utter, utter ££££££££. And the thing is, the regulars on here know that too, and it suits them just fine (community is one thing, but is this a chat room, or a forum?). So it really grates on me when people have the cheek to tell James he shouldn't make a topic like this (and I'm not taking sides, just to be clear). I think many people need to start looking at their own input and applying some quality control before they dictate what others can or can't post.

I've probably taken another step towards alienating myself by making those comments, but c'est la vie :icon_soap

[Santa]

Ban all for us until we all promise to buy a Toyota Prius as they out handle and accelerate any v70 or s60 because they are a superior car lol.

The forum won't let me ban myself though.


Be carefull Rich all that over thinking will have you posting like James dreadfully stuff that thinking lol

I already post crap, don't need to over think for that :-p


Playing devil's advocate, I'm sure JamesT5 has the best of intentions, but unfortunately hasn't got the practical knowledge himself, so just quotes info that he's read, unaware it's out of context.

Thats what I was hoping.


Also playing Devil's Advocate......Firstly, I'm sure many of us have commented on forums (not just this one) and passed off information in such a way as to be construed as fact, whilst it is only based on our own experience. I know I have. Some may have even repeated information that they have heard/read in an effort to be helpful. I know I have. I think the critical part is how you represent information - by all means comment freely and state opinions but think about how you write it. Making statements that sound like fact, when they are based on no first hand experience, no understanding of the subject matter, and are simply repeating other people's information is a dangerous game. How do you know that the source of information you are repeating is correct?

A forum like this should be a live and archival source of technical information (as well as a community). If the information is diluted by incorrect advice, then it loses it's value. Every member has a duty to be considerate to that fact.


Agreed



I'd be more worried about the majority of other content that you are paying for! I'll make no apology for being frank about this, but a large percentage of what I see posted on this forum is utter, utter ££££££££. And the thing is, the regulars on here know that too, and it suits them just fine (community is one thing, but is this a chat room, or a forum?). So it really grates on me when people have the cheek to tell James he shouldn't make a topic like this (and I'm not taking sides, just to be clear). I think many people need to start looking at their own input and applying some quality control before they dictate what others can or can't post.

I've probably taken another step towards alienating myself by making those comments, but c'est la vie :icon_soap

Chat room, social site, archival bin of some useful information. Sites like these tend to evolve based on 50% by those that run/own such sites input and 50% on what the majority of the club/community/punters want to get from said site.

There is an amount of throw away generic social crap on this site, not necessarily a bad thing as it keeps people round when others need help, providing its filed correctly. (i.e. done in one of the more social-able forums/sections/threads). There is also an amount of decent content (hopefully filed accordingly) in the relevant forums which drives the Google search results.