S60 vs V70 passenger cabin

[JamesT5]

I was giving someone a lift home in the S60 last night. As I picked up the other half from work, one of her colleagues who lives just up the road needed to get home, so I offered him a lift. I've done this before for him and previously and always in the V70, sothis was the first trip he'd had in the S60.

I noticed he struggled to get in and out of the back of the S60 far more than the V70 and I just wondered if the passenger cabin was physically shorter on the S60? In other words, less leg room for the rear passenger cabin.

I've been explaining to people that the V70 and S80 are the executive estate and saloon cars whereas the S60 was designed and launched as a 'Sports Sedan', so in effect is 'inferior' in spec to that of the other 2 models. I wonder if the car is physically smaller inside too. This supports my belief that the speaker system quality seems better in the V70 that the S60 and that the SE spec in the S60 doesn't included the heated front seats that are present in the V70.

Anyway, can anyone confirm whether or not the S60 passenger cabin is in fact shorter than that of the V70 (P2)...?

[moosepowerlee]

I dont belive it is however the curve on the door area does make it harder to get im and out as have had both and the s60 was harder to clean the back area out

[stribo]

How can you say that the spec of an S60 is inferior to the V70, they're the same. :slap: The V70R has no more or less equipment than a S60R, and it's the same as the rest of the range. Different option packs may have been specified when a car was being built which would be the only reason a V, or S of equivalent level differ.
As for getting in the back, the S60 has more steeply sloped doors than the V70, as for legroom I wouldn't know as I've never sat in the back of a V70.

[ExternalError]

i have heated seats on my S60 SE and also had them on my previous one

[stephenevans99]

V70 rear leg room is greater than the S60.

S60 Max Rear Legroom 847mm
V70 Max Rear Legroom 894mm

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[Harvey]

The V70 & S60 rear floor mats are different. The V70 mats are a inch or so longer.
That's why they are listed separately.

[V70 Graham]

i have heated seats on my S60 SE and also had them on my previous one

I don't have heated seats in my V70 SE....mind you I didn't have cup holders either lol

[ExternalError]

thats because your SE stands for slow edition :)

[stephenevans99]

Mines SE with the Winter Pack....heated seats, electric adj seats, heated mirrors & child punishment rear headrests.

[ExternalError]

I love those rear headrests noisey kid in the back no worries theres a button to solve that thwack!!

[stribo]

I don't have heated seats in my V70 SE....mind you I didn't have cup holders either lol

My C70 has heated seats, cupholders, and premium sound system. :P

[stephenevans99]

Lol....it never gets old either. Always makes me giggle after deploying the headrests :)

[ExternalError]

think the only option missing off mine was the booster seats and mini fridge

[T5frankie]

what a donut!!

[Sharkey R]

Inferior in spec?? James can I have some of what you're smoking please? You really need to look up the definition of 'INFERIOR'

[t5 pete]

Oh dear

[Nealevo]

Inferior.....!!! I think he's been drinking that funny water again.

[Sharkey R]

Oh and as for the speaker side of it, the speaker quality will be the same but the sound will be different because of the cabin space and shape deflecting the sound waves in a different pattern causing the acoustics to be 'DIFFERENT' not 'INFERIOR'!

[M-R-P]

There's about 40-50mm difference in floorpan length between the V70 and S60, I found that out when I tried to fit S60 skirts to the sweed.

For the record, mine's SE spec and has sod-all but the bare minimum, not even an internal temp sensor. It had 2 cup holders but they were swapped for an ashtray/cubby arrangement (nobody ever smokes in the car).

[Jamest5r]

Plenty of room in the back of that s60, I'm sure I got in it with the complete front end of a.v70r including bumper :)

[p fandango]

Plenty of room in the back of that s60, I'm sure I got in it with the complete front end of a.v70r including bumper :)
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy196/pedro-fandango/Volvo/mine/Bonny/junk%20in%20car/img0707ws_zpsf6cdadb4.jpg

[stephenevans99]

I'll see your bumper & wings & raise you a pair of bears...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/stephenevans99/Volvo%20Tuning/DSC_0033.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/stephenevans99/media/Volvo%20Tuning/DSC_0033.jpg.html)

[Jamest5r]

Pmsl

[Sharkey R]

I'll see your bumper & wings & raise you a pair of bears...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/stephenevans99/Volvo%20Tuning/DSC_0033.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/stephenevans99/media/Volvo%20Tuning/DSC_0033.jpg.html)

Ah so that's why James thinks the S60s are inferior, they only have the bear necessities!

[stribo]

Ah so that's why James thinks the S60s are inferior, they only have the bear necessities!

Booooooo. :P

[M-R-P]

Ah so that's why James thinks the S60s are inferior, they only have the bear necessities!

Awesome :hilarious

[JUDGENINJA]

Don't worry James... I'm with you... A S60 isn't a real Volvo....(hence why I now own 3 Mitsubishis and one of them has a Renault(????) engine...).

I would say that trim levels can vary a bit. I haven't really noticed anything majority different when looking at other peoples cars.

James are your V70/S60 the same year?

[Biff]

Am I the only 1 that thought of course they are different?
I've worked in Toyota & vauxhalls car plants & the estate cars & saloon cars never share the same floor pan. The stress & impact points are completely different for the body to be welded to which cause the cars to banana or twist. ;)

[Sharkey R]

Am I the only 1 that thought of course they are different?
I've worked in Toyota & vauxhalls car plants & the estate cars & saloon cars never share the same floor pan. The stress & impact points are completely different for the body to be welded to which cause the cars to banana or twist. ;)

No one is denying they are different and it's been proven that the V70 has more leg room, the problem I have with his statement is the use of the word 'Inferior' in relation to the specs!

[Redbrick]

From what I've read over the years the V70 is based on the S80 chassis.

There are two levels of speaker pack the 'premium' (?) package with the added option of sub in the spare wheel well.


Meant to also say... many were company cars and the tax brackets might have made it better to buy a 'inferior' model and spec it up and vice versa. FWIW my V70 SE has everything bar the shat nav and headrest screens, folding mirrors, sub, zenons, the works :P

[JamesT5]

V70 rear leg room is greater than the S60.

S60 Max Rear Legroom 847mm
V70 Max Rear Legroom 894mm

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Thanks Steve, as I suspected. :B_thumb:

[JamesT5]

thats because your SE stands for slow edition :)

:hilarious

[JamesT5]

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy196/pedro-fandango/Volvo/mine/Bonny/junk%20in%20car/img0707ws_zpsf6cdadb4.jpg

This picture goes along way to explaining my marathon interior valet after I picked it up then..... ;)

[JamesT5]

Don't worry James... I'm with you... A S60 isn't a real Volvo....(hence why I now own 3 Mitsubishis and one of them has a Renault(????) engine...).

I would say that trim levels can vary a bit. I haven't really noticed anything majority different when looking at other peoples cars.

James are your V70/S60 the same year?

They're a year out, the S60 is 2002, the V70 2001. On the S60 there's a blank where the heated seat buttons should be. ;)

[JamesT5]

The S60 is an inferior car in my opinion, and I can get away with saying that seeing that I now own both an S60 and a V70 P2.

The cars are definitely different and that's backed up by the fact that the S80 and V70 share a Haynes Book of B*llo*ks and the S60 has a separate one. :D

[stephenevans99]

The S60 is an inferior car in my opinion, and I can get away with saying that seeing that I now own both an S60 and a V70 P2.

The cars are definitely different....

The S60 isn't inferior James by any means mate, they ARE different cars.

[M-R-P]

The S60 isn't inferior James by any means mate, they ARE different cars.

Apart from the ones that run on oil or paraffin or whatever it is... definitely inferior those ;)

[stephenevans99]

Apart from the ones that run on oil or paraffin or whatever it is... definitely inferior those ;)

lol......he has a point :(

[Sharkey R]

The S60 is an inferior car in my opinion, and I can get away with saying that seeing that I now own both an S60 and a V70 P2.

The cars are definitely different and that's backed up by the fact that the S80 and V70 share a Haynes Book of B*llo*ks and the S60 has a separate one. :D

Yeah whatever James. You keep believing that. It's no wonder you're falling out with people left, right and centre with your stupid comments. I suggest you look up the specifications between my car and your car! There is no way that my S60 is inferior to your V70 in specification! If you think YOUR S60 is inferior to YOUR V70 then you need to clarify it else you're going to look like a complete knob with your current statement.

[Sharkey R]

They're a year out, the S60 is 2002, the V70 2001. On the S60 there's a blank where the heated seat buttons should be. ;)

I've got heated seats in mine!!!

[stribo]

The S60 is an inferior car in my opinion, and I can get away with saying that seeing that I now own both an S60 and a V70 P2.

The cars are definitely different and that's backed up by the fact that the S80 and V70 share a Haynes Book of B*llo*ks and the S60 has a separate one. :D

You can't get away with saying it, as you own clapped out examples if both models, if you'd driven decent examples you'd know they're roughly the same. In fact a S60 is a superior car for ride and handling, as the body shell has more torsional rigidity.

[Sharkey R]

For what it's worth my Dad owns a 56 plate V70 D5 SE Lux with cream leather and wood trim. My seats have smooth softer leather, my car has xenon headlights, electric folding mirrors, child abuse headrests. All missing from his car. Oh did I mention the 4C active suspension. Oh yeah that's right it's still an inferior spec!!

[claymore]

The S60 is an inferior car in my opinion, and I can get away with saying that seeing that I now own both an S60 and a V70 P2.

:D
How can you compare a S60 Diesel to a V70 T5, compare a S60 T5 to the V70 T5 (both with the same options) and that would be a fair comparison, it's like comparing a 854 10 valve and a 855 T-5R and saying all 854's are inferior (which they are ;) )

[V70 Graham]

I'm with James, V70's are superior lol

[Sharkey R]

I'm with James, V70's are superior lol

:cuckoo:

[stribo]

I'm with James, V70's are superior lol

££££. lol

[jamesy12345]

For what it's worth my Dad owns a 56 plate V70 D5 SE Lux with cream leather and wood trim. My seats have smooth softer leather, my car has xenon headlights, electric folding mirrors, child abuse headrests. All missing from his car. Oh did I mention the 4C active suspension. Oh yeah that's right it's still an inferior spec!!

Child abuse head rests...?

[Sharkey R]

Child abuse head rests...?

There's a button on the dash for making the rear headrests fold down to give you a better view out of the back window. When you press the button they come down with a fair force. Ideal if you have misbehaving kids in the back. One button press and there would be silence he he

[stribo]

There's a button on the dash for making the rear headrests fold down to give you a better view out of the back window. When you press the button they come down with a fair force. Ideal if you have misbehaving kids in the back. One button press and there would be silence he he

Only fitted to the superior models though, does your V70 have them JamesT5?

[Sharkey R]

Only fitted to the superior models though, does your V70 have them JamesT5?

He needs one on the front seat!

[jamesy12345]

There's a button on the dash for making the rear headrests fold down to give you a better view out of the back window. When you press the button they come down with a fair force. Ideal if you have misbehaving kids in the back. One button press and there would be silence he he

news to me I'll have to have a look (for the button not the kids)

[stephenevans99]

Mine has a Sunglasses holder & Shopping Bag Holder ......Inferior....pah ;)

[stribo]

Mine has a Sunglasses holder & Shopping Bag Holder ......Inferior....pah ;)

Ours too, and a bottle/bin bag holder in the back, oh and reversing sensors. To be fair to James, when he said inferior, he was probably referring to Sharkey's, as he has the poverty spec model. ;)

[stephenevans99]

oooooh forgot about the bottle/bin holder and parking sensors, folding door mirrors with puddle lights and auto dimming rear view mirror. Mine also has the cup holders and storage in the rear arm rest !!! Well Posh

[Sharkey R]

Ours too, and a bottle/bin bag holder in the back, oh and reversing sensors. To be fair to James, when he said inferior, he was probably referring to Sharkey's, as he has the poverty spec model. ;)

Blah blah blah. I don't need reversing sensors as I can park. Although I do have a reversing camera now.

[stephenevans99]

....did I forget to mention the Sunroof?

[stribo]

....did I forget to mention the Sunroof?

Did I mention the 2.5L 5 pot turbo petrol engine producing 320 bhp ;) or the 4C suspension? :D

[stribo]

Blah blah blah. I don't need reversing sensors as I can park. Although I do have a reversing camera now.

I you can park, why do you need a camera?

[Sharkey R]

Because it looks good with the screen :)

[stribo]

Because it looks good with the screen :)

Rubbish, you've got it to make it more like a lorry, which would explain why you never drive over 56 mph.:D

[Sharkey R]

We don't have cameras in any of our trucks lol. They are inferior spec Mercedes.

[stephenevans99]

Did I mention the 2.5L 5 pot turbo petrol engine producing 320 bhp ;) or the 4C suspension? :D

That only means you can reach Inferiority much quicker..... lol

[Liddo]

Having had both cars (quite a few S60s) all D5's, Id say the S60 is the tighter car, and the V70 is very floaty. Both have superb seats, both are superb in quality whatever spec. Ones thing that p**ses me off about the V70 is the rattles here and there from the rear plastics :mad:

Still love the old bus though

;)

[zoidberg]

My S60 SE has leather leccy adjustable front seats but they aint heated !!
Prefer it to the V70 I used to haveeven though it was more practical for shifting things with.
Also have the centre arm rest with the can holders in it, pity the lid is knackered lol

[Liddo]

My S60 SE has leather leccy adjustable front seats but they aint heated !!
Prefer it to the V70 I used to haveeven though it was more practical for shifting things with.
Also have the centre arm rest with the can holders in it, pity the lid is knackered lol

All's you need is a nail head, and a drill hole. I'll see if I can find the thread where i fixed mine :D

[JamesT5]

For what it's worth my Dad owns a 56 plate V70 D5 SE Lux with cream leather and wood trim. My seats have smooth softer leather, my car has xenon headlights, electric folding mirrors, child abuse headrests. All missing from his car. Oh did I mention the 4C active suspension. Oh yeah that's right it's still an inferior spec!!

Yeah but the R models are exceptions given they were marketed as sports versions of their respective models.

[JamesT5]

He needs one on the front seat to slap him on the back of that combover and knock some sense into him!

That comb-over is my trade mark Steve, a bit like the stickers on your bonnet. :D

[JamesT5]

I think I might e-mail Volvo UK for the manufacturer's official response to this. Could be interesting if I get a reply.

:hidesbehi :saythat:

[jamesy12345]

I think I might e-mail Volvo UK for the manufacturer's official response to this. Could be interesting if I get a reply.

:hidesbehi :saythat:

About comb overs?

[stribo]

Yeah but the R models are exceptions given they were marketed as sports versions of their respective models.

But an S60R is specced the same as a V70R, so how is that inferior?

[JamesT5]

But an S60R is specced the same as a V70R, so how is that inferior?

Both are superior to their standard model equivalent because they were designed as the ultimate in luxury and performance in their day. It's like comparing a new S60 T6 to an S60 Polestar today, the Polestar will offer a superior spec to match the price tag and the demographic.

[JamesT5]

About comb overs?

Yes, of course, ;)

[jamesy12345]

Yes, of course, ;)

Combovers are pretty cool now are they not, so don't let anyone take the piss. Better than that daft haircut everyone seems to have now, after that guy from the Thrift Shop song...Macklemoor or somehting

My opinion is that S60s are better cos the chassis is stiffer & I like saloons anyway. That has nothing to do with comparable specs though

[M-R-P]

There's a U.S. Patent on the combover.

[stephenevans99]

I think the problem here James is that you own a poorly spec'd S60 unlike most on here which are perfectly spec'd......quite annoying tbh that you generalise that all S60s are Inferior to your V70.

I know you don't mean offence, and we all post some uttter tosh from time to time - but this thread wins you this Month's Tosh Award - Congratulations ;)

[volvokid]

Aside from the obvious differences and just concentrating from a driver's seat point of view both cars have exactly the same dashboard, the S80 is the odd one out when it comes to interiors.

The sound system in my dad's R is the same entry level R spec system as mine but it sounds better due to the shape of the interior, it sounds fuller.

Both cars have crap leg room but the s60 is worse but the rear seats in the s60 are a better shape IMO

[volvokid]

Also my D5 has all the toys that our R's have it just has the entry level plastic crappie pishie leather.

[Sharkey R]

Yeah but the R models are exceptions given they were marketed as sports versions of their respective models.

That's not what you said when you made the stupid comment about S60s being INFERIOR to V70s. The S60R is still an S60 whether it's the high performance version or not. Quite frankly James your statement is just stupid. Not the first you've made and I'm sure it won't be the last.

[Sharkey R]

That comb-over is my trade mark Steve, a bit like the stickers on your bonnet. :D

Trademark? Apart from the fact I don't have them on there anymore they are hardly a trademark! I'd suggest your haircut is inferior to most peoples being that it's such a prehistoric style these days but each to their own. I'm sure there's a sporty combover marketed somewhere!

[Sharkey R]

Both are superior to their standard model equivalent because they were designed as the ultimate in luxury and performance in their day. It's like comparing a new S60 T6 to an S60 Polestar today, the Polestar will offer a superior spec to match the price tag and the demographic.

So in this statement you're still adamant that the S60R is inferior to the V70R??

[volvokid]

That's not what you said when you made the stupid comment about S60s being INFERIOR to V70s. The S60R is still an S60 whether it's the high performance version or not. Quite frankly James your statement is just stupid. Not the first you've made and I'm sure it won't be the last.

I actually can't believe he is arguing the fact. They are the same car , Volvo will never admit that the S60 is the saloon version of the V70 because on realise Volvo said there wasn't going to be a saloon V70 (S70) but they did do it (S60) :) I don't know what's not to get there. I don't know for sure but I would almost guarantee the V70 shares more S60 parts than it does with the S80. Was the V90 a different car from the 960......? The badge maybe was that's it.

[Sharkey R]

I actually can't believe he is arguing the fact. They are the same car , Volvo will never admit that the S60 is the saloon version of the V70 because on realise Volvo said there wasn't going to be a saloon V70 (S70) but they did do it (S60) :) I don't know what's not to get there. I don't know for sure but I would almost guarantee the V70 shares more S60 parts than it does with the S80. Was the V90 a different car from the 960......? The badge maybe was that's it.

I'm not commenting on this thread anymore because my 100% disagreement with him in his eyes will be construed as cyber bullying. I'm getting wound up by this stupid thread now. I Wouldn't want to be accused of that now would I!!

[JUDGENINJA]

S60s aren't real Volvos........:troutslap

[stribo]

Neither are S40s. :P

[Santa]

Bloody hell 5 pages............


S60's and V70's similarly spec'd are still for different purposes therefore eye of the beholder and all that.

Would I swap my S60R for a V70R, no I wouldn't but thats personal preference.

Both are inferior to my VW Passat anyway! (In terms on fuel ecomony :P)

[M-R-P]

I actually can't believe he is arguing the fact. They are the same car , Volvo will never admit that the S60 is the saloon version of the V70 because on realise Volvo said there wasn't going to be a saloon V70 (S70) but they did do it (S60) :) I don't know what's not to get there. I don't know for sure but I would almost guarantee the V70 shares more S60 parts than it does with the S80. Was the V90 a different car from the 960......? The badge maybe was that's it.

Nope... S80 shares more parts although not by much. Mechanically, the S80 and v70 are very similar, hence the Haynes covering both models and a separate manual existing for the S60.

[stribo]

Bloody hell 5 pages............


S60's and V70's similarly spec'd are still for different purposes therefore eye of the beholder and all that.

Would I swap my S60R for a V70R, no I wouldn't but thats personal preference.

Both are inferior to my VW Passat anyway! (In terms on fuel ecomony :P)

I'm sure we'll be able to make it 10. :D

[Santa]

I'm sure we'll be able to make it 10. :D
So much reading.....

[V70 Graham]

.....I'm getting wound up by this stupid thread now. I Wouldn't want to be accused of that now would I!!

Just be the bigger man and admit your car is inferior then !

[Harvey]

So much reading.....

I just like looking at the pictures..

[stribo]

Just be the bigger man and admit your car is inferior then !

Like yours is when compared to Doorman's. :P

[volvokid]

Nope... S80 shares more parts although not by much. Mechanically, the S80 and v70 are very similar, hence the Haynes covering both models and a separate manual existing for the S60.
I've still got my doubts :p

[MIKESC70T5]

I'm sure we'll be able to make it 10. :D

My Little German has heated electric seats which also have electric side bolsters and electric lumbar support. Bi xenon headlights, auto dimming rear mirror, auto fold passenger mirror glass when reversing. Auto on headlights and wipers, widescreen sat nav, Harmon Kardon stereo with subs and full iPod control, electric rear blind, soft nappa leather, 19" wheels and an illuminated gear knob. :kiss:

Steve, this should help us get to 10 pages of dribble

[Jamest5r]

Everyone knows 850's are the best in both form's so your all wrong and drive inferior car's :)

[Jamest5r]

My Little German has heated electric seats which also have electric side bolsters and electric lumbar support. Bi xenon headlights, auto dimming rear mirror, auto fold passenger mirror glass when reversing. Auto on headlights and wipers, widescreen sat nav, Harmon Kardon stereo with subs and full iPod control, electric rear blind, soft nappa leather, 19" wheels and an illuminated gear knob. :kiss:

Steve, this should help us get to 10 pages of dribble

Why do you need an illuminated knob? Are they that small :)

[stephenevans99]

It's about time we put this thread to rest. What started as an interesting thread with a genuine question, has turned into a playground farce - some members should just grow up.

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[Jamest5r]

It's about time we put this thread to rest. What started as an interesting thread with a genuine question, has turned into a playground farce - some members should just grow up.

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Thought yours was an R :)

[p fandango]

Thought yours was an R :)
its a tractoR

[Harvey]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/stephenevans99/Funny/DSC_0104.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/stephenevans99/media/Funny/DSC_0104.jpg.html)

So when did the S60 get changed to a V70 ? & where's the R badge ?.

[stephenevans99]

I give up :slap: lol

[stephenevans99]

So when did the S60 get changed to a V70 ? & where's the R badge ?.

lol :B_thumb: Badge on the grille

[stribo]

Why do you need an illuminated knob? Are they that small :)

Probably not as small as the drivers penis. ;)

[stribo]

lol :B_thumb: Badge on the grille

And airbag. ;)

[stephenevans99]

And airbag. ;)

.....and keyfob lol

[p fandango]

I give up :slap: lol
LINK (http://dvlaregistrations.direct.gov.uk/buy.html?plate=V70%20WTF&price=399)

[stephenevans99]

LINK (http://dvlaregistrations.direct.gov.uk/buy.html?plate=V70%20WTF&price=399)

pmsl.....excellent !!!!

[MIKESC70T5]

Why do you need an illuminated knob? Are they that small :)

All M3 drivers are big cocks, so no, there not small lol.

[MIKESC70T5]

Probably not as small as the drivers penis. ;)

Will you stop chatting to my missis lol.

[JUDGENINJA]

Neither are S40s. :P

Says he.. Who has a hairdressers car and a 4WD cupboard for a set of golf clubs....

[stribo]

Says he.. Who has a hairdressers car and a 4WD cupboard for a set of golf clubs....

You can get more golf clubs in your yellow Dutch Volvobishi, than I can in our S60R.

[JUDGENINJA]

Atleast both of mine have got a winning racing pedigree in the UK..

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http://motoren.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/volvo-850btcc.jpg
Your S60 has the following target audience..

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2012/12/05/058980-volvo-car-australia-par-with-emirates-australian-open.1-lg.jpg

[MIKESC70T5]

Says he.. Who has a hairdressers car and a 4WD cupboard for a set of golf clubs....

We took the new V40 r design out for a test drive the other week, really nice car but the boot was terrible, would of been really tricky getting our dog in and out of it, so we opted for the new golf. I reckon even a golf club bag wouldn't fit in sideways in the Volvo.

[JUDGENINJA]

I have to agree even the original V40 has a shocking loading capacity..

[stribo]

Atleast both of mine have got a winning racing pedigree in the UK..

26496

http://motoren.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/volvo-850btcc.jpg
Your S60 has the following target audience..

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2012/12/05/058980-volvo-car-australia-par-with-emirates-australian-open.1-lg.jpg

You seem to be forgetting that TWR helped develop the C70, and this:
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BTW the 855 never won in the UK.

[M-R-P]

Hands up everyone who has the words "Made in Gothenburg" on their VIN plate :wave23d:

Lets see how many of you have a proper Volvo :D

[stribo]

Me :D

[JUDGENINJA]

Me...!!! (My 850)....

As I said racing pedigree in the UK(regardless of wins for the estate as the saloon won 11 in total).. The engine from the estate car was used right through to the S40.

Australians only like two cars Holden and Ford. Volvo are trying to break the market by sending over their inferior car!!

Plus TWR also worked on Rovers, they were slags of the Motorsport world!

[stribo]

Me...!!! (My 850)....

As I said racing pedigree in the UK(regardless of wins for the estate as the saloon won 11 in total).. The engine from the estate car was used right through to the S40.

Australians only like two cars Holden and Ford. Volvo are trying to break the market by sending over their inferior car!!

Plus TWR also worked on Rovers, they were slags of the Motorsport world!

You said winning racing pedigree, and they 855 you posted a picture off never won, and don't forget, they were built by the 'slags' of motorsport TWR as well, so does that make them irrelevant?
As for your 850 being built in Gothenburg, so was an Ikea chest of drawers we have, and it moves more than your 850, so can we include that?
You obviously haven't watched V8 Supercars in a while, as Nissan, and Mercedes both race in the series too.:D

[oblark]

Me...!!! (My 850)....

As I said racing pedigree in the UK(regardless of wins for the estate as the saloon won 11 in total).. The engine from the estate car was used right through to the S40.

Australians only like two cars Holden and Ford. Volvo are trying to break the market by sending over their inferior car!!

Plus TWR also worked on Rovers, they were slags of the Motorsport world!

It can`t be that inferior its won a copy of races :)

[MoleT-5R]

right just sogged through the last six pages and having done that and managing to get though it, I think I'd better say something rather then waste that time I've just spent.

Right, this thread appears to originally have been based on James personal opinion of what is inferior and not actually fact. So in that case this makes all your cars inferior as the T-5R is undoubtedly the superior car here and anything afterwill, with out doubt be inferior FACT (well in my personal view anyway):bow_kneel

[oblark]

Hands up everyone who has the words "Made in Gothenburg" on their VIN plate :wave23d:

Lets see how many of you have a proper Volvo :D

Someone give the record player a poke its got stuck again.

The 740, 850, v70, xc70 s60, v60 and the xc90 are all built in Gothenberg,

I`ve seen with my own eyes.

[stephenevans99]

Mine was Made in Belgium I think....I like their chocolate (probably explains the gearbox)

[jamesy12345]

Someone give the record player a poke its got stuck again.

The 740, 850, v70, xc70 s60, v60 and the xc90 are all built in Gothenberg,

I`ve seen with my own eyes.

My S60 built in Belgium......S70 also

[MIKESC70T5]

right just sogged through the last six pages and having done that and managing to get though it, I think I'd better say something rather then waste that time I've just spent.

Right, this thread appears to originally have been based on James personal opinion of what is inferior and not actually fact. So in that case this makes all your cars inferior as the T-5R is undoubtedly the superior car here and anything afterwill, with out doubt be inferior FACT (well in my personal view anyway):bow_kneel

Only if it's a yellow manual estate, all the others are inferior :duck:

[stribo]

right just sogged through the last six pages and having done that and managing to get though it, I think I'd better say something rather then waste that time I've just spent.

Right, this thread appears to originally have been based on James personal opinion of what is inferior and not actually fact. So in that case this makes all your cars inferior as the T-5R is undoubtedly the superior car here and anything afterwill, with out doubt be inferior FACT (well in my personal view anyway):bow_kneel

Personal opinions have no place on this forum. ;)

[MoleT-5R]

Personal opinions have no place on this forum. ;)

So I'm right then......:mischievo

[p fandango]

BTW the 855 never won in the UK.
nor did the 854, it wasn't till 1997 with the S40 that they won the BTCC championship

[stribo]

So I'm right then......:mischievo
In your opinion, which as above, has no place here. :)


nor did the 854, it wasn't till 1997 with the S40 that they won the BTCC championship

No, but the 854 did win races, the 855 didn't.

[M-R-P]

Someone give the record player a poke its got stuck again.

The 740, 850, v70, xc70 s60, v60 and the xc90 are all built in Gothenberg,

I`ve seen with my own eyes.

Haha but did you see the right hand drive ones built in Gothenburg..?

It's like buying a posh set of Sheffield knives - the steel may come from China and the handles from Mexico, it's still got "Made in Sheffield" on it.

So a VIN with "made in Gothenberg, Sweden" on it is (ahem) "superior" to one with "made in Belgium" (which isn't a real country) on it :D

[oblark]

Haha but did you see the right hand drive ones built in Gothenburg..?

It's like buying a posh set of Sheffield knives - the steel may come from China and the handles from Mexico, it's still got "Made in Sheffield" on it.

So a VIN with "made in Gothenberg, Sweden" on it is (ahem) "superior" to one with "made in Belgium" (which isn't a real country) on it :D

That is where the VIN plate is made not the car.

[t5 pete]

right just sogged through the last six pages and having done that and managing to get though it, I think I'd better say something rather then waste that time I've just spent.

Right, this thread appears to originally have been based on James personal opinion of what is inferior and not actually fact. So in that case this makes all your cars inferior as the T-5R is undoubtedly the superior car here and anything afterwill, with out doubt be inferior FACT (well in my personal view anyway):bow_kneel


yep the original and the best iirc I think there the only ones that came with the memory passanger seat aswell

[stribo]

yep the original and the best iirc I think there the only ones that came with the memory passanger seat aswell

My C70 has memory on the passenger seat.:D

[t5 pete]

My C70 has memory on the passenger seat.:D

But yours is inferior so james says any way lol

[stribo]

But yours is inferior so james says any way lol

Is it though? He hasn't mentioned the C70, just S60s, which are obviously inferior to everything.;)

[M-R-P]

That is where the VIN plate is made not the car.

Turn a P3 upside down and it's got "Fabriqe en Chine" written on it :D

[MIKESC70T5]

Is it though? He hasn't mentioned the C70, just S60s, which are obviously inferior to everything.;)

With James logic, he will probably buy a third car as it will save him even more money than just running two at the same time. It will be a C70, then he will say its inferior as it's missing two back doors lol.

[stribo]

With James logic, he will probably buy a third car as it will save him even more money than just running two at the same time. It will be a C70, then he will say its inferior as it's missing two back doors lol.

As funny as it sounds, you're probably right. ;)

[LeeT5]

Having had both cars (quite a few S60s) all D5's, Id say the S60 is the tighter car, and the V70 is very floaty. Both have superb seats, both are superb in quality whatever spec. Ones thing that p**ses me off about the V70 is the rattles here and there from the rear plastics :mad:

Still love the old bus though

;)

no rattles from the rear plastics on my V70 and get your wheel alignment done or new shocks, that will sort out the floaty sensation.

[volvokid]

Do you think maybe for once James might actually come back and admit he was wrong ... Just once even.

[stribo]

Do you think maybe for once James might actually come back and admit he was wrong ... Just once even.

James, wrong? never. ;)

[Sharkey R]

Do you think maybe for once James might actually come back and admit he was wrong ... Just once even.

Hmm, let me think about that one for a minute...No lol