Bonny's totally knackered o/s Driveshaft (shocking)!!

[JamesT5]

I took the driveshafts off the S60 yesterday and revealed this........ To my horror, the whole o/s inner CV joint fell apart like a piece of meringue as soon as I took the outer CV joint from the stub axle. You can see evidence of 'flinging' of the axle grease that's built up on the subframe and around the area of the CV joint. I also found one of the ball joints was knackered too.

Anyway, car is basically repaired although I've got one 'snag' to investigate before I take it out on the open road again.

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[JamesT5]

By the way, I've fitted a pair of new driveshafts and lower ball joints to the car now.

[Harvey]

CV boots shouldn't the cable tied on, I guess the last garage did a cheap repair on it and didn't clean it out properly when the boot was changed little bit of grit does a lot of damage.

[JamesT5]

CV boots shouldn't the cable tied on, I guess the last garage did a cheap repair on it and didn't clean it out properly when the boot was changed little bit of grit does a lot of damage.

To be honest Harvey, I don't know why anyone would repair a driveshaft unless it's a complete remanufacture, and a repair of that nature by the garage you mentioned is just cowboy. If a driveshaft is shot then I'm always inclined to replace it completely, it's not worth the hassle for what is not that difficult a job in reality.

[JamesT5]

Just looking at the photo, I'm not sure that's a cable tie. I've got the parts outside so I'll take a look but I'm sure these half shafts are the originals. In that case it's a just wear and tear of old parts resulting in complete failure of the inner joint.

[MIKESC70T5]

By the way, I've fitted a pair of new driveshafts and lower ball joints to the car now.

Was that expensive?

[JamesT5]

Was that expensive?

No not at all.

[MIKESC70T5]

No not at all.

Reconditioned ones are around £100 a side so would of thought brand new ones would be over £200 each.

[Harvey]

Just looking at the photo, I'm not sure that's a cable tie. I've got the parts outside so I'll take a look but I'm sure these half shafts are the originals. In that case it's a just wear and tear of old parts resulting in complete failure of the inner joint.

This is what should have been used.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10X-UNIVERSAL-STAINLESS-STEEL-CLAMP-CLIP-SET-DRIVESHAFT-CV-JOINT-BOOT-KIT-/130890730278?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e79b20b26

[Harvey]

Reconditioned ones are around £100 a side so would of thought brand new ones would be over £200 each.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-S60-DRIVE-SHAFT-OFF-SIDE-CV-JOINT-2000-ONWARDS-/141292215715?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AS60&hash=item20e5ac1da3

[ExternalError]

are they any good harvey ive heard mixed reviews about J&R from my focus st friends

[deathrider311271]

thats all well and good James, you try getting a new or recon driveshaft for a P1 V70 ME7 turbo. Dealer only and at £800 per side forget it. Yes you can get the originals rebuilt but that means at least 1 week off the road. Pre ME7 cars no problem, P2 cars no problem, but mine not a chance

[MoleT-5R]

I feel sorry for Pedro , he has sold this car as warts'n'all and James is just going to make a massive issue of every thing he has to do to this car, he was told not to buy it so I have sympathy for what he has to replace or how much it costs him, just sad to think of the bandwidth and amount of storage, of this useless info will take up and cost the forum....:(

[Harvey]

are they any good harvey ive heard mixed reviews about J&R from my focus st friends

No idea mate but 50 quid's worth a go

[merc85]

J & R run too different qualities, the stuff on ebay is on ebay for a reason

[JUDGENINJA]

I have no problem replacing CV joint ends and have no issues with cable ties.
They have very little difference than the metal straps as far as torque and grip...

[Jimmie]

I feel sorry for Pedro , he has sold this car as warts'n'all and James is just going to make a massive issue of every thing he has to do to this car, he was told not to buy it so I have sympathy for what he has to replace or how much it costs him, just sad to think of the bandwidth and amount of storage, of this useless info will take up and cost the forum....:(

Did I miss something as I didn't think he was complaining.
James if you had written posts like this before you wouldn't have had such a hard time.
Keep up the good work.
Just my take on things

[JamesT5]

[QUOTE=Jimmie;729853]Did I miss something as I didn't think he was complaining.
James if you had written posts like this before you wouldn't have had such a hard time.
Keep up the good work.

You're right, I'm not complaining. I'm sharing my experiences with the car and what I'm personally achieving as well so I'll keep posting. :)

[MoleT-5R]

Did I miss something as I didn't think he was complaining.
James if you had written posts like this before you wouldn't have had such a hard time.
Keep up the good work.
Just my take on things

Watch how it all unfolds.....lol

[JamesT5]

Watch how it all unfolds.....lol

Adrian, I came to quite like you but you're turning more like Claymore every time. Just leave it please, I've done a good job here, learned some new skills and saved a packet it garage labour.

I'll be doing a full write-up with more photos when I've got a couple of hours spare.

[JamesT5]

J & R run too different qualities, the stuff on ebay is on ebay for a reason

Not exactly Gav, the stuff on their website is the same and with a 2 year warranty on their goods I'd say they're reasonable quality for the price.

[JamesT5]

And yes, I did fit those £50 driveshafts along with Delphi Ball joints that were £15+ VAT each from a local Factors.

[Jimmie]

Watch how it all unfolds.....lol

I wonder what you've done wrong in like but you aint saying.
Or maybe you haven't and been a good lad.lol

[merc85]

Not exactly Gav, the stuff on their website is the same and with a 2 year warranty on their goods I'd say they're reasonable quality for the price.

James, who said anything about there website and ebay not being the same? Its certainly not the same stuff as they sell to the trade as i said its on ebay for a reason.

You get what you pay for

[MoleT-5R]

Adrian, I came to quite like you but you're turning more like Claymore every time. Just leave it please, I've done a good job here, learned some new skills and saved a packet it garage labour.

I'll be doing a full write-up with more photos when I've got a couple of hours spare.

Ok mate, but drop the theatrics as the car is over 200,000 so nothing will be perfect, who's to say that your removal methods didn't make the shaft look far worst than if a semi-skilled mechanic removed it, since your last BULLYING thread,I wouldn't normally comment on one of your threads, but as I hold Duane in quite high regard I thought it only fair to balance things

[Jimmie]

Ok mate, but drop the theatrics as the car is over 200,000 so nothing will be perfect, who's to say that your removal methods didn't make the shaft look far worst than if a semi-skilled mechanic removed it, since your last BULLYING thread,I wouldn't normally comment on one of your threads, but as I hold Duane in quite high regard I thought it only fair to balance things

What was there to balance??
Pedro sold the car sold as seen I would have thought .He wrote enough about it therefore people knew what it was like that Is why he sold it for just over scrap value.
Personally I would not have bought it but then i'm not James but good luck to him.

[MoleT-5R]

I wonder what you've done wrong in like but you aint saying.
Or maybe you haven't and been a good lad.lol

read my threads when I ££££ up I post it. Most of us learn the hard way, the rest are in denial.....:)

[MoleT-5R]

What was there to balance??
Pedro sold the car sold as seen I would have thought .He wrote enough about it therefore people knew what it was like that Is why he sold it for just over scrap value.
Personally I would not have bought it but then i'm not James but good luck to him.

Exactly that is why I'm reminding peep's out there, if you wish to buy a possible money trap don't fill our pages here with crap posts, post it on voc or elsewhere, it ain't performance is it, that is my last word on this rubbish thread.

[stribo]

TBH it cost James £350 I.i.r.c., it's going to have problems, Duane didn't hide the fact, and I'm sure James isn't blaming Duane for the problems.
Interestingly, I've recently bought a 2001 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec for similar money, just needed a droplink to pass the M.O.T., it really is mint, and although it wouldn't get the M.P.G. a D5 would, it'll be a lot cheaper to run.;)

[M-R-P]

Exactly that is why I'm reminding peep's out there, if you wish to buy a possible money trap don't fill our pages here with cr£p posts, post it on voc or elsewhere, it ain't performance is it, that is my last word on this rubbish thread.

Wow Ade, bit harsh mate?

Mine was a total dog when I got it and filled hundreds of pages with crap while I brought it back from the brink.
Duane made no attempt to hide the state of the car, I've seen it in the metal a few times, it was a donkey and got treated as such. he also didn't hide the fact that the reason he was retiring it was down to the fact it was gonna need a lot of work pretty soon.
Do I think James has made a good choice in buying it? ££££ no, he's mad! Do I think he's putting Pedro down for it? No.
It's not a performance project but it's a project, even if it's being carried out by someone who really should be spending their money on something a little more up to scratch or cheaper to run.
How many members have non-performance volvos? or volvos that haven't had an MOT for years? or don't even own a volvo any more?

I think rebuilding a gearbox is futile (or mental - whatever) or pissing 15 grand into a volvo for the sake of breaking 13 seconds...? Seriously? Spend
1000 quid on some 20 year old jap crap and you'll embarrass any volvo.

What I'm saying is, it's all relative and regardless of how daft/stupid/brave we think James is, his dedication is that of an enthusiast. That's what this forum is really about mate. I also think he's wasting his money but we're not going to change anything so let's just watch the story unfold.

[claymore]

Adrian, I came to quite like you but you're turning more like Claymore every time. Just leave it please, I've done a good job here, learned some new skills and saved a packet it garage labour.

I'll be doing a full write-up with more photos when I've got a couple of hours spare.

Thank you, high praise indeed :)

[claymore]

So, I'm I correct in thinking you have used cheap parts? can I remind you of your own advice.


I don't think the engine mounts are hydraulic mate, they're fixed. A CV joint will generally 'click click click' when it's worn whereas the wheel bearings tend to rumble which gets worse when you corner.

My advice personally, is don't buy cheap parts if you can help it, especially wheel bearings. I'm not suggesting you were going to buy cheap parts but just in case. I've had the misfortune of seeing the cheaper parts fail prematurely (i.e. strut spring seats and ball joints), so I now fit OE Volvo or uprated parts to the car because they last longer and are better value in the long run (and hence I now replace rubber bushing with PU where possible). Also change both sides of the car because where one part has gone the other is probably not far behind.

If you're doing the work yourself, I'd advice getting new bolts because the wheel bearing bolts are 'stretch bolts' so the thread can strip and they can snap and cause all sorts of issues. New bolts may come with the OE parts anyway but if not then I'd advise getting some.

Ok, I hope that helps and good luck!

[Jimmie]

So, I'm I correct in thinking you have used cheap parts?can I remind you of your own advice

I know were your coming from with that statement.
But there are a few garages that fit cheaper parts but don't tell you they just invoice you the full price and the customer is none the wiser.
I personally don't do any work on a vehicle myself now but it wasn't always like that.When you only got £2 to £3 a week for pay you had to learn do things yourself.lol
James should be congratulated on trying to repair motors that most people on here wouldn't touch with a barge pole but its how he comes across sometimes that rattles some people , myself included. Most people would just break them but the only way a true enthusiast would break a motor in my opinion would be as a donor vehicle to one they already own .That's what my neighbour does and good luck to him.
He's presently working on one of the first Austin Vanden Plas princess 1300 which were good in there time.Hes just sold one of the few Anglia estates that are still left on the road .

[JamesT5]

The fact of the matter is that I've done a job myself for the first time. I'm not taking the mickey out of Duane, this is my car now and I'm just keeping everyone updated on the way things are going. I couldn't care if the Pope owned this before, it's just a statement of fact.

There was a definite driveshaft problem which suddenly got a lot worse, so bad in fact that the car shook violently on a left turn. The driveshaft on the drivers side was shot to bits but then after 200K I'm not surprised. So in reply to a comment above, I didn't make the problem look worse because the driveshaft did just literally fall apart as I moved the outer cv joint away from the stub axle. Besides, the amount of grease on the subframe says alot too.

I still feel Duane did me an excellent deal on this car, I don't feel ripped off because I bought the car expecting a few issues which I can fix over a period of time and learn some useful skills in the process.

Anyway, a thread on how I did the job will be up in the next couple of days, not that it will interest the majority on here but someone like myself who is less mechanically trained may find it useful. And as Santa says, this is a social site too so just because it isn't a performance upgrade, it doesn't mean to say it isn't a useful post.

[jamesy12345]

I know were your coming from with that statement.
But there are a few garages that fit cheaper parts but don't tell you they just invoice you the full price and the customer is none the wiser.
I personally don't do any work on a vehicle myself now but it wasn't always like that.When you only got £2 to £3 a week for pay you had to learn do things yourself.lol
James should be congratulated on trying to repair motors that most people on here wouldn't touch with a barge pole but its how he comes across sometimes that rattles some people , myself included. Most people would just break them but the only way a true enthusiast would break a motor in my opinion would be as a donor vehicle to one they already own .That's what my neighbour does and good luck to him.
He's presently working on one of the first Austin Vanden Plas princess 1300 which were good in there time.Hes just sold one of the few Anglia estates that are still left on the road .

I remember earning 30 quid a week but never 3 pound....one of my first jobs was working in a garage with the Milky Bar Kids dad in Trimdon

Selling between forum members is always good as 99% of the time everything is (should be :)) honest....unlike the previous owner of my S60R, who couldn't quite get the words out of his month - "yes the heads been off for a bodge job and it's now using coolant again" - before cramming my hard earned 30 quids in his pocket....

Keep posting James, and stop biting!! There's an ignore list you know

[Jimmie]

I remember earning 30 quid a week but never 3 pound....one of my first jobs was working in a garage with the Milky Bar Kids dad in Trimdon
Keep posting James, and stop biting!! There's an ignore list you know

£30 PW, you must still be a youngster then.:D

[jamesy12345]

£30 PW, you must still be a youngster then.:D

hehe I thought I was rolling in it back then - driving about in my old Renault 5, not a care in the world.......how things have changed..same car with a turbo now :)

[ShadeTek]

Looking at your photos, what you have there is a dis-assembled CV joint. It has brown grease suggesting it is emulsified lubricant, due to a tie-wrap being used instead of an Oetiker clamp, water has ingressed and possibly ruined the metalwork. Give it a clean up and see how badly scored the ballbearings and cage are. Might not be too bad?

[JamesT5]

Looking at your photos, what you have there is a dis-assembled CV joint. It has brown grease suggesting it is emulsified lubricant, due to a tie-wrap being used instead of an Oetiker clamp, water has ingressed and possibly ruined the metalwork. Give it a clean up and see how badly scored the ballbearings and cage are. Might not be too bad?

To be honest mate, the age of the driveshaft suggests it's past it and trying to rebuild it is hard work. When I broke the driveshaft on my V70 even the garage gave up trying to rebuild it and just put a new one on. Nice suggestion though.

[oblark]

Looking at your photos, what you have there is a dis-assembled CV joint. It has brown grease suggesting it is emulsified lubricant, due to a tie-wrap being used instead of an Oetiker clamp, water has ingressed and possibly ruined the metalwork. Give it a clean up and see how badly scored the ballbearings and cage are. Might not be too bad?

Are you serious !!!!!!

The small amount of grease that is left in the CV joint has turned brown because instead of lubicating the joint it`s acted as a grinding paste and worn the machined surfaces of the joint away, The CV is ££££ed and is fit for scrap.

[JamesT5]

Are you serious !!!!!!

The small amount of grease that is left in the CV joint has turned brown because instead of lubicating the joint it`s acted as a grinding paste and worn the machined surfaces of the joint away, The CV is ££££ed and is fit for scrap.

I have to agree with you there Rob. And to be honest, a new unit carries piece of mind and a 2 year warranty. :)

[massivewangers]

This forum does make me sad sometimes. There always seems to be bickering about something.

I had an inner CV collapse a couple of weeks back. Sadly it was while I was driving along, so I very quickly ground to a depressing halt lol.

[jamesy12345]

This forum does make me sad sometimes. There always seems to be bickering about something.

I had an inner CV collapse a couple of weeks back. Sadly it was while I was driving along, so I very quickly ground to a depressing halt lol.

show us some pictures & we can argue about it

[JamesT5]

This forum does make me sad sometimes. There always seems to be bickering about something.

I had an inner CV collapse a couple of weeks back. Sadly it was while I was driving along, so I very quickly ground to a depressing halt lol.

Frightening as well isn't it. When I turned the wheel to the left the car was shaking violently, the gear stick was shaking left and right and the whole car felt like it had a mind of it's own. I nursed the car home slowly and instantly grounded it until I'd repaired it.

[Gold 'N' Brown]

James, I'd be interested to read your write up of the job when you get around to it. Even if it does end up being torn to pieces - "you should have done xyz" "you shouldn't have done xyz" etc - it'll still be intersting to me as it's a job I've not done but may have to at some point, so it's food for thought.

Personally I think it's bloody ridiculous to say that topics like this shouldn't be allowed on this forum, it's stinks of snobbishness, and to be totally bloody frank about it it's massively hypocritical when a huge percentage of the content on here is inane banter rather than performance orientated discussion. Maybe the club should be renamed Volvo Performance Quarter Mile Willy Waving Pre-menstrual Banter & Bitching LOL Misuse Club UK, but I guess that wouldn't have the same ring to it :icon_soap.

[Liddo]

I think your doin a great job James, its nice to see another car saved from the breakers. I've done the same with my V70, bought it off my mate as he was going to scrap it. Spent two grand on it so far, but its well worth it.

The amount of cars that get scrapped (especially Volvos) is a crying shame. Just a bit of TLC will save most from the crusher.

My car will be like "Triggers Broom" by the time Ive finished :D

[jamesy12345]

....a huge percentage of the content on here is inane banter rather than performance orientated discussion. Maybe the club should be renamed Volvo Performance Quarter Mile Willy Waving...

:lol: happy to help with the inane banter


I think your doin a great job James, its nice to see another car saved from the breakers. I've done the same with my V70, bought it off my mate as he was going to scrap it. Spent two grand on it so far, but its well worth it.

The amount of cars that get scrapped (especially Volvos) is a crying shame. Just a bit of TLC will save most from the crusher.

My car will be like "Triggers Broom" by the time Ive finished :D

Agree with you there it's not environmentally friendly at all to keep producing new cars full of rare metals, when older cars have been produced already. I love to hear people go on about how they are saving the planet with a Prius compared with my 'old Volvos', as then I can throw in a few real costs per mile over the life of their car :)

Here's to Triggers broom! I'm building a new car one piece at a time :)

[stribo]

James, I'd be interested to read your write up of the job when you get around to it. Even if it does end up being torn to pieces - "you should have done xyz" "you shouldn't have done xyz" etc - it'll still be intersting to me as it's a job I've not done but may have to at some point, so it's food for thought.

Personally I think it's bloody ridiculous to say that topics like this shouldn't be allowed on this forum, it's stinks of snobbishness, and to be totally bloody frank about it it's massively hypocritical when a huge percentage of the content on here is inane banter rather than performance orientated discussion. Maybe the club should be renamed Volvo Performance Quarter Mile Willy Waving Pre-menstrual Banter & Bitching LOL Misuse Club UK, but I guess that wouldn't have the same ring to it :icon_soap.

I think it's quite catchy. ;)

[zoidberg]

Go for it fella, this from someone who has no idea and lets others sort out my cars, lol.
Nice to see someone willing to 'give it a go' so to speak.:)
You bought it knowing it had problems and were willing to tackle them, it you solve them ,excellent. If not then it's 'hey ho' and shrug of the shoulders and move on to the next thing.
Good luck with it all and just keep posting and putting up pics !

[JamesT5]

James, I'd be interested to read your write up of the job when you get around to it. Even if it does end up being torn to pieces - "you should have done xyz" "you shouldn't have done xyz" etc - it'll still be interesting to me as it's a job I've not done but may have to at some point, so it's food for thought.

Personally I think it's bloody ridiculous to say that topics like this shouldn't be allowed on this forum, it's stinks of snobbishness, and to be totally bloody frank about it it's massively hypocritical when a huge percentage of the content on here is inane banter rather than performance orientated discussion. Maybe the club should be renamed Volvo Performance Quarter Mile Willy Waving Pre-menstrual Banter & Bitching LOL Misuse Club UK, but I guess that wouldn't have the same ring to it :icon_soap.

It's up mate, here's the link....

http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?57130-Volvo-S60-V70-FWD-Driveshaft-and-Ball-Joint-Replacement

[massivewangers]

show us some pictures & we can argue about it

Sadly I'm lazy and just handed it to someone else to fix :biggrin:


Frightening as well isn't it. When I turned the wheel to the left the car was shaking violently, the gear stick was shaking left and right and the whole car felt like it had a mind of it's own. I nursed the car home slowly and instantly grounded it until I'd repaired it.

Yes mine was much the same. I had had a look at it and had my suspicions that it was on it's way out, but it was still quite unnerving, as the car felt terrible. Sadly I made the mistake of stopping to have a look at it. The strain of trying to pull away again just made it disintegrate totally and I was just sat hopelessly turning the remains of it and going no where!

[Bones]

Ive found this thread quite useful.

Im not usually one for using cheap parts but with driveshafts at that price you dont mind replacing them every 50k even if thats all you get out of them.

im assuming its my N/S outer one that might be on its way in mine, i noticed (along with a slight jerkynes of the steering when swinguing round to full lock to do a u turn the other day) a slight clicking from that side, only light but it might aswell be changed, i was just going to buy a new outer joint but now i think ill just go down the driveshaft route!

Had quite a few driveshaft related instances in the past, Saxo's are renowned for it, i ran one with a turbo conv, and one with a 2.1 turbo shoehorned into it........they used to demolish driveshafts at a scary rate!

[JamesT5]

Ive found this thread quite useful.

Im not usually one for using cheap parts but with driveshafts at that price you dont mind replacing them every 50k even if thats all you get out of them.

im assuming its my N/S outer one that might be on its way in mine, i noticed (along with a slight jerkynes of the steering when swinguing round to full lock to do a u turn the other day) a slight clicking from that side, only light but it might aswell be changed, i was just going to buy a new outer joint but now i think ill just go down the driveshaft route!

Had quite a few driveshaft related instances in the past, Saxo's are renowned for it, i ran one with a turbo conv, and one with a 2.1 turbo shoehorned into it........they used to demolish driveshafts at a scary rate!

These J&R ones are cheaper than buying an outer CV on it's own and they come with a 2 year warranty. Check out my "How To" thread, it will save you some hassle and hopefully some money, link is above.

Let me know how you get on and PM me if you need to. :B_thumb:

[Bones]

I should get on fine, i became a dab hand at changing driveshafts when i ran the saxo's. got the nearside one down to about 15 mins start to finish! used to buy a couple for each side everytime i went to a french car breakers down the road

Possibly managed it even quicker when your doing it on the side of the A17 in torrential rain and howling winds, in full RAF uniform on a Friday night!:smirk:

Do these things loose much gearbox oil when you pop the shaft out?

[JamesT5]

I should get on fine, i became a dab hand at changing driveshafts when i ran the saxo's. got the nearside one down to about 15 mins start to finish! used to buy a couple for each side everytime i went to a french car breakers down the road

Possibly managed it even quicker when your doing it on the side of the A17 in torrential rain and howling winds, in full RAF uniform on a Friday night!:smirk:

Do these things loose much gearbox oil when you pop the shaft out?

The offside one saw no loss at all, the nearside one left a little dribble of transmission fluid when I took it out but that stops as soon as the new Driveshaft is clipped in to place.