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TerryW
Saturday 17th May 2014, 12:50
I am getting slight knocking side when i pull away in first, it doesn't happen all the time, i think at low speeds over some bumps in road, doesn't seem to be in changing gears though, maybe slightly from 1st to 2nd, i know that bushes and things will have to replaced at some point, due to age of the car, I did have it recently checked over and the feedback was that everything seemed pretty tight, wondered if anybody had any clues as to what it might be

T5RatherAmusin
Saturday 17th May 2014, 13:29
could be a few things...
quite possibly a handbrake shoe issue. or something like xorst heat shield, drop links.....

Harvey
Saturday 17th May 2014, 13:51
Front drive shaft bolts , are a favourite for clicking. Or Axle ping.
Easy fix just pull off the front wheels center caps ( the ones with the volvo logo on )you will find a bolt in the center just make sure it not loose ,don't swing on it as it's a m8 thread bolt.

http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?40102-Axle-ping

JamesT5
Saturday 17th May 2014, 15:52
Strut top bearings and/or spring seats is my guess, it happened on mine before they were changed. Could also be lower ball joints, worn drop links or a worn control arm bushing.

graemewelch
Saturday 17th May 2014, 19:39
Front drive shaft bolts , are a favourite for clicking. Or Axle ping.
Easy fix just pull off the front wheels center caps ( the ones with the volvo logo on )you will find a bolt in the center just make sure it not loose ,don't swing on it as it's a m8 thread bolt.

http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?40102-Axle-ping

Its m10. I know this as i snapped mine. And had to drill it out. If there slack replace them. I used 12.9 high tenisle bolts. Never had any dramas since

JamesT5
Saturday 17th May 2014, 20:20
Terry, the drive shaft bolts are £3.00 from the main stealer, or if you're like me and don't mind asking for a discount you'll get them for around £2.50 each. 14mm socket spanner to remove and refit. Flip the center cap off the wheel and you'll see it, you can leave the wheels on too.

TerryW
Saturday 17th May 2014, 21:40
Thanks folks, I will give the drive shaft bolts a go and change them, seems for the sake of less than a tenner worth changing. Thanks again for the advice from you all

graemewelch
Saturday 17th May 2014, 23:01
Thanks folks, I will give the drive shaft bolts a go and change them, seems for the sake of less than a tenner worth changing. Thanks again for the advice from you all


If you can terry fit some uprated bolts. You wont regret it

LeeT5
Sunday 18th May 2014, 01:03
I'll have a look for you when you visit Monday if you want.
You won't be able to order the bolts (for XC90) until Monday, unless you collected Saturday morning, but you could order them at Lipscomb Volvo near me first thing Monday then pick em up at lunch time. Then bring em to mine and we'll fit.
They will need torquing up so that won't be a problem.

Lipscomb parts dept phone number is 0845 338 9904.
Order them before 10am and you can pick up after lunch.
The dealer is about 5 miles from my house.

TerryW
Sunday 18th May 2014, 15:29
Thanks Lee, so I just ask for XC90 drive shaft bolts, I guess these are uprated, yes I will try and make this happen, and thanks for the offer of fitting them that's great, hopefully can tick another issue off the list.

TerryW
Sunday 18th May 2014, 15:31
I guess it's the XC90 bolts which are the up rated ones, sorry for being such a novice., but I am getting better I did by a new socket set today, so 10 out of 10 for effort lol.

graemewelch
Sunday 18th May 2014, 15:40
Not realy uprated in my opinion. They are still stretch bolts. High tensile is the way to go.

LeeT5
Sunday 18th May 2014, 17:06
Thanks Lee, so I just ask for XC90 drive shaft bolts, I guess these are uprated, yes I will try and make this happen, and thanks for the offer of fitting them that's great, hopefully can tick another issue off the list.

You need to ask for part# 30714142 and you want two.
They are £15.20 ea plus vat (not £3.00 James) so not cheap but they will permenantly fix your 'axle ping' and if it is that, then you won't hear the clicking anymore.
Basically, the newer, updated bolts have huge rubber tapered dampers that prevent the bolts working loose once fitted. I fitted mine 3 years ago and never had a problem since.

See you Monday afternoon!

TerryW
Sunday 18th May 2014, 19:39
Thanks Lee, yep see you Monday with the bolts hopefully

JamesT5
Monday 19th May 2014, 00:01
You need to ask for part# 30714142 and you want two.
They are £15.20 ea plus vat (not £3.00 James) so not cheap but they will permenantly fix your 'axle ping' and if it is that, then you won't hear the clicking anymore.
Basically, the newer, updated bolts have huge rubber tapered dampers that prevent the bolts working loose once fitted. I fitted mine 3 years ago and never had a problem since.

See you Monday afternoon!

:wtf:

I paid £2.50 each for the genuine item at the Main Dealers, would you like to see my invoice as proof? The axle bolts are stretch bolts so unless you're paying circa £15 a piece for some non-stretch version then you're being ripped off silly because they're single use otherwise.

JamesT5
Monday 19th May 2014, 00:04
And by the way Lee, my standard bolts that cost me £2.50 have also sorted out my axle ping but for a fraction of the cost you paid for your 'uprated' part.

LeeT5
Monday 19th May 2014, 00:59
And by the way Lee, my standard bolts that cost me £2.50 have also sorted out my axle ping but for a fraction of the cost you paid for your 'uprated' part.

I never said they were 'uprated' I said they were updated! When I removed my old bolts, the new ones looked completely different.

I don't care what bolt you used to fit on your car, the part number I listed is correct and is for the XC90 05> axle bolt, listed on Vida.
Volvo supplied them and they are correct and fit 2003 - 2007 V70R and that's all I was interested in. Even when I ordered them the parts guy said they're not cheap - hey ho, such is life!

You are also right in that they are stretch bolts and also have thread lock applied.

Doesn't mean I've been ripped off, just means I've got the correct bolt fitted and you haven't.
I'll show you my invoice if you like.

LeeT5
Monday 19th May 2014, 18:19
Just for you James.....(Oh, the price has gone up as well) :deal:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/LeeT5/Phase%202%20V70R%20AWD/Random%20photos/IMG_2196_zpsdc5bc2c8.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/LeeT5/media/Phase%202%20V70R%20AWD/Random%20photos/IMG_2196_zpsdc5bc2c8.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/LeeT5/Phase%202%20V70R%20AWD/Random%20photos/IMG_2197_zpsa9ef6921.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/LeeT5/media/Phase%202%20V70R%20AWD/Random%20photos/IMG_2197_zpsa9ef6921.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/LeeT5/Phase%202%20V70R%20AWD/Random%20photos/IMG_2195_zpsafe636c8.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/LeeT5/media/Phase%202%20V70R%20AWD/Random%20photos/IMG_2195_zpsafe636c8.jpg.html)

JamesT5
Monday 19th May 2014, 19:10
I never said they were 'uprated' I said they were updated! When I removed my old bolts, the new ones looked completely different.

I don't care what bolt you used to fit on your car, the part number I listed is correct and is for the XC90 05> axle bolt, listed on Vida.
Volvo supplied them and they are correct and fit 2003 - 2007 V70R and that's all I was interested in. Even when I ordered them the parts guy said they're not cheap - hey ho, such is life!

You are also right in that they are stretch bolts and also have thread lock applied.

Doesn't mean I've been ripped off, just means I've got the correct bolt fitted and you haven't.
I'll show you my invoice if you like.

I have got the right bolts fitted to my car Lee, they came from the Volvo dealer but you're obviously your arrogance is telling you to buy these more expensive ones because you think you know better than the manufacturer who made the car.

Santa
Monday 19th May 2014, 19:17
Ok calm down guys, its just a bolt.

But useful thread, one of mine recently loosened itself so might renew all of them.

Harvey
Monday 19th May 2014, 19:55
I have got the right bolts fitted to my car Lee, they came from the Volvo dealer but you're obviously your arrogance is telling you to buy these more expensive ones because you think you know better than the manufacturer who made the car.

Just to add the xc90 bolts were a volvo fix they use on the AWD drive cars to start with the XC90 ,but also fixed the problem on the other cars that have AWD.

Spline noise eliminated Sept 2 2006
The dealers now have S60 specific bolts and spacer sleeve for the R.
Part #30714142-4 is spacer sleeve.
"Removed existing axle bolt and spacer and replaced with new style axle bolt" "Per TNN 77-09"

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=volvo%20tnn%2077-09%20axle&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CBEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motor-talk.de%2Fforum%2Faktion%2FAttachment.html%3Fattac hmentId%3D678446&ei=tl96U82sCsaEOPDHgIAP&usg=AFQjCNGPeVnOdmSq1df6GGdOj1paESt3HA

LeeT5
Monday 19th May 2014, 21:27
I have got the right bolts fitted to my car Lee, they came from the Volvo dealer but you're obviously your arrogance is telling you to buy these more expensive ones because you think you know better than the manufacturer who made the car.

Lol. No, it's clear that if you only paid £2.50 for the bolts from Volvo then they are not the bolts Volvo use to fix the axle ping problem.
It's one part number one bolt. Therefore, whatever you fitted to your car is not the bolt intended to rectify the problem.

Got nothing to do with arrogance mate, it's fitting the correct part for the job! The invoice and the bolts don't lie and neither does the price for that matter!


Ok calm down guys, its just a bolt.

But useful thread, one of mine recently loosened itself so might renew all of them.

Oh I'm calm, just clearing up a small matter of getting ones facts right before posting. That's all.

stribo
Monday 19th May 2014, 21:33
And by the way Lee, my standard bolts that cost me £2.50 have also sorted out my axle ping but for a fraction of the cost you paid for your 'uprated' part.


I never said they were 'uprated' I said they were updated! When I removed my old bolts, the new ones looked completely different.

I don't care what bolt you used to fit on your car, the part number I listed is correct and is for the XC90 05> axle bolt, listed on Vida.
Volvo supplied them and they are correct and fit 2003 - 2007 V70R and that's all I was interested in. Even when I ordered them the parts guy said they're not cheap - hey ho, such is life!

You are also right in that they are stretch bolts and also have thread lock applied.

Doesn't mean I've been ripped off, just means I've got the correct bolt fitted and you haven't.
I'll show you my invoice if you like.


I have got the right bolts fitted to my car Lee, they came from the Volvo dealer but you're obviously your arrogance is telling you to buy these more expensive ones because you think you know better than the manufacturer who made the car.


Ok calm down guys, its just a bolt.

But useful thread, one of mine recently loosened itself so might renew all of them.


Just to add the xc90 bolts were a volvo fix they use on the AWD drive cars to start with the XC90 ,but also fixed the problem on the other cars that have AWD.

Spline noise eliminated Sept 2 2006
The dealers now have S60 specific bolts and spacer sleeve for the R.
Part #30714142-4 is spacer sleeve.
"Removed existing axle bolt and spacer and replaced with new style axle bolt" "Per TNN 77-09"

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=volvo%20tnn%2077-09%20axle&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CBEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motor-talk.de%2Fforum%2Faktion%2FAttachment.html%3Fattac hmentId%3D678446&ei=tl96U82sCsaEOPDHgIAP&usg=AFQjCNGPeVnOdmSq1df6GGdOj1paESt3HA


Lol. No, it's clear that if you only paid £2.50 for the bolts from Volvo then they are not the bolts Volvo use to fix the axle ping problem.
It's one part number one bolt. Therefore, whatever you fitted to your car is not what Volvo use to rectify the problem.

Got nothing to do with arrogance mate, it's fitting the correct part for the job. The invoice and the bolts don't lie and neither does the price for that matter!



Oh I'm calm, just clearing up a small matter of getting ones facts right before posting. That's all.

O.K., I've bought some shiny bolts from Halfords, they'll be alright won't they? ;)

Harvey
Monday 19th May 2014, 21:35
Ok calm down guys, its just a bolt.

But useful thread, one of mine recently loosened itself so might renew all of them.

Only two are required for the front axle only.

JamesT5
Monday 19th May 2014, 21:36
O.K., I've bought some shiny bolts from Halfords, they'll be alright won't they? ;)

Just use some nails from B&Q. ;)

Harvey
Monday 19th May 2014, 21:36
O.K., I've bought some shiny bolts from Halfords, they'll be alright won't they? ;)

Yeah no problem mate.

graemewelch
Monday 19th May 2014, 21:36
O.K., I've bought some shiny bolts from Halfords, they'll be alright won't they? ;)

12.9 bolts in mine steve. I can remove and refit them as many times as i want and i dont need to worry about them snapping

Harvey
Monday 19th May 2014, 21:38
Just use some nails from B&Q. ;)

Just make sure it's no more nails.

volvokid
Monday 19th May 2014, 22:12
I fitted the XC90 ones to the R as a precution, I never even one the price of then until now. I suffered axle ping on my C70 I put it into Arnold Clark and I'm sure they just fitted the cheopos as part of the warrenty, I didn't know about the updated ones back then.

TerryW
Monday 19th May 2014, 22:18
Thanks for your time today Lee, very informative and I have gone away much wiser, and thanks for going above and beyond the call of duty with fixing the bolts etc etc. I have managed to find a local independent Volvo specialist about 10 miles away from my home so will get them to do the immediate fixes we talked about and will get them to look into the transmission, to see if we cannot uncover the issue with the knocking on pull away, it's a bit of a mystery but if it is in the propshaft I may be able to get the warranty to cough up if I act quickly, I will keep you posted on progress, also thanks goes out to those that have posted with your feedback invaluable for a novice like me.

JamesT5
Monday 19th May 2014, 22:23
Thanks for your time today Lee, very informative and I have gone away much wiser, and thanks for going above and beyond the call of duty with fixing the bolts etc etc. I have managed to find a local independent Volvo specialist about 10 miles away from my home so will get them to do the immediate fixes we talked about and will get them to look into the transmission, to see if we cannot uncover the issue with the knocking on pull away, it's a bit of a mystery but if it is in the propshaft I may be able to get the warranty to cough up if I act quickly, I will keep you posted on progress, also thanks goes out to those that have posted with your feedback invaluable for a novice like me.

Knocking on pull off could be engine mounts.

LeeT5
Tuesday 20th May 2014, 04:07
Knocking on pull off could be engine mounts.

It's not his engine mounts....I checked.

LeeT5
Tuesday 20th May 2014, 04:15
Thanks for your time today Lee, very informative and I have gone away much wiser, and thanks for going above and beyond the call of duty with fixing the bolts etc etc. I have managed to find a local independent Volvo specialist about 10 miles away from my home so will get them to do the immediate fixes we talked about and will get them to look into the transmission, to see if we cannot uncover the issue with the knocking on pull away, it's a bit of a mystery but if it is in the propshaft I may be able to get the warranty to cough up if I act quickly, I will keep you posted on progress, also thanks goes out to those that have posted with your feedback invaluable for a novice like me.

Just make sure you drive the car gently until it goes to the garage. No sudden standing starts!

Was a pleasure to make your acquaintance Terry. Your car reminded me of when I first bought mine, it too, needed things sorting out, mostly silly things.
Once you get your car sorted you'll enjoy it even more and I'm sure it will serve you well.

LeeT5
Tuesday 20th May 2014, 04:25
For anyone that's interested, the oe bolts that don't have the large rubber damper are only meant to be torqued to 30NM + 90 degrees.

When fitting the XC90 bolts (Or what Volvo would use to correct 'Axle Ping' as per the TNN) part# 30714142 these are torqued to 50NM only.

TerryW
Monday 26th May 2014, 18:04
Well the car goes into Volvo at Gatwick for full 9 year service and software updates etc, and investigation on Knocking Sound, have to say the guys here seemed excellent good service team on front desk, engineer phoned me personally to talk through issues so with the information i have from LeeT5 hopefully will get down to the bottom of it, Hopefully not to expensive!!, will post the outcomes later, and hopefully after the service the car will perform a little better

LeeT5
Friday 30th May 2014, 16:39
So, it's been established it's the Angle gear. I guess it wasn't the actual splines that were stripped but excess play or worn planet gears within the angle gear box. Surprised it failed at such low miles.
I seriously recommend when your angle gear is replaced that you have it filled with Redline synthetic gear oil and not Volvo stuff.
It will extend the life of the box for sure.

The stuff you need is Redline 75W90NS. It's about £15 a quart on the bay. You'll only need one bottle.