Considering an S60R....

[jamesy12345]

I might go all modern and get meself an S60. Looks like I will be putting my toys in my little carpet bag and moving on to a new grazing ground shortly....it's not 100% yet but.....I noticed a black 2007 S60R up for sale with the Dale Winton/David Dickinson dangly apple bag interior.

Better photies to follow, hopefully. It's a geartronic (later 6 speed) and has done about 120,000 km. It's up for 6K, should I run away or investigate further....? Anything to look out for?

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u565/jamesy12345/S60R1_zps8d3dcdbd.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jamesy12345/media/S60R1_zps8d3dcdbd.jpg.html)

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u565/jamesy12345/s602_zps2d892f1c.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jamesy12345/media/s602_zps2d892f1c.jpg.html)

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u565/jamesy12345/S603_zps46c4edd1.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jamesy12345/media/S603_zps46c4edd1.jpg.html)

[T5frankie]

nice motors

[Harvey]

In the uk the road tax is £480 ish a year ,just get the awd system tested and look for oil leaks on the angle gear.
Also make sure it has a good service history.

[T5RatherAmusin]

looks nice, shame bout the interior and transmission lol
dont see many late ones tbh

[T5frankie]

I might go all modern and get meself an S60. Looks like I will be putting my toys in my little carpet bag and moving on to a new grazing ground shortly....it's not 100% yet but.....I noticed a black 2007 S60R up for sale with the Dale Winton/David Dickinson dangly apple bag interior.

Better photies to follow, hopefully. It's a geartronic (later 6 speed) and has done about 120,000 km. It's up for 6K, should I run away or investigate further....? Anything to look out for?

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u565/jamesy12345/S60R1_zps8d3dcdbd.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jamesy12345/media/S60R1_zps8d3dcdbd.jpg.html)

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u565/jamesy12345/s602_zps2d892f1c.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jamesy12345/media/s602_zps2d892f1c.jpg.html)

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u565/jamesy12345/S603_zps46c4edd1.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jamesy12345/media/S603_zps46c4edd1.jpg.html)

black one look better with orange interior

[jamesy12345]

In the uk the road tax is £480 ish a year ,just get the awd system tested and look for oil leaks on the angle gear.
Also make sure it has a good service history.

good points, I need to check running costs.....should be nothing like that (I hope)


black one look better with orange interior

Funny that, the guy said it was the orange interior but photos don't seem to show it. They were dark so I lightened them up, maybe didn't come out well.

Some info about the AWD........I heard it's an improvement on the previous system they used on the P80 - I had a 4-speed V70R AWD and that was quite good, although only kept it a short while


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idR66_TXopk&feature=player_embedded

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?150009-Interesting-Haldex-Info

[jamesy12345]

0-60 manual 5.5 secs
0-60 geartronic 5-speed 7.2 secs yawn
0-60 geartronic 6-speed.....??

[Doingitsideways]

Mmm... S60r...

As already said, the angle gear is the real Achilles heal, that and the 4c dampers aren't cheap.

Personally, I'd go for a manual with the tan-tastic interior, but as we know, there's something wrong with your left leg so can't drive 'em! ;)

Think I said when I saw you last actually, a '60r is the one for me when funds allow :)

Steve

[T5frankie]

good points, I need to check running costs.....should be nothing like that (I hope)



Funny that, the guy said it was the orange interior but photos don't seem to show it. They were dark so I lightened them up, maybe didn't come out well.

Some info about the AWD........I heard it's an improvement on the previous system they used on the P80 - I had a 4-speed V70R AWD and that was quite good, although only kept it a short while


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idR66_TXopk&feature=player_embedded

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?150009-Interesting-Haldex-Info

the dale winton interior is not the orange one they did come with a tan interior
http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/albums//FWD%20and%20AWD/S60/Inscription%20Interiors/008.jpg

[graemewelch]

james pop around if you want to take a closer look at a s60R with that intresting coloured interior. you can take it out for a spin and see if you think there anygood.

[jamesy12345]

Mmm... S60r...

As already said, the angle gear is the real Achilles heal, that and the 4c dampers aren't cheap.

Personally, I'd go for a manual with the tan-tastic interior, but as we know, there's something wrong with your left leg so can't drive 'em! ;)

Think I said when I saw you last actually, a '60r is the one for me when funds allow :)

Steve

It must have been you that put the idea in my head fella. Tbh it was one of the few Volvos available. The only other decent one was another S60 from the same year, being sold as a T5 with a 2.5 engine.....honest I can drive a manual honest I can :) I just like an auto for a daily.

The shocks you can get from Monroe I think. Angle gear yes that is a big cost & a bit of a worry. I'm sure I read somewhere there is some maintenance that can be done on them.....


the dale winton interior is not the orange one they did come with a tan interior
http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/albums//FWD%20and%20AWD/S60/Inscription%20Interiors/008.jpg

oh right I assumed that the orange and Dale's ball sack were one and the same. I've never had a good look at either :) will ask for photos

[merc85]

i just couldnt bring myself to tax a car for £480 a year lol

[jamesy12345]

james pop around if you want to take a closer look at a s60R with that intresting coloured interior. you can take it out for a spin and see if you think there anygood.

thanks fella didn't know you had one!

[graemewelch]

thanks fella didn't know you had one!


i only bought it to sell on. not had it long.

[graemewelch]

replacing the colar on the angle gear isnt that bad if you have the right gear to do it. not a job id like to do but if i had a bust one id be doing it

[graemewelch]

thanks fella didn't know you had one!


hear is the beast that is taking up space on my drive
http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/gwexhausts/20140418_182327_zpsbaixlute.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/gwexhausts/media/20140418_182327_zpsbaixlute.jpg.html)

[jamesy12345]

hear is the beast that is taking up space on my drive
http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/gwexhausts/20140418_182327_zpsbaixlute.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/gwexhausts/media/20140418_182327_zpsbaixlute.jpg.html)

nice....nice plate too. Is that the orange interior then?

[foammanmark]

nice....nice plate too. Is that the orange interior then?

Think there's a deal to be done here, and you're both in the North East. This is meant to be jamesy12345.

[rikcougar]

0-60 manual 5.5 secs
0-60 geartronic 5-speed 7.2 secs yawn
0-60 geartronic 6-speed 6.5 secs

Hope this helps

[T5RatherAmusin]

didnt the 05+ r get have an uprated anglegear?

[LeeT5]

nice....nice plate too. Is that the orange interior then?

It's not orange, it's Atacama!

[Harvey]

didnt the 05+ r get have an uprated anglegear?

The canbus speed was doubled in 2005+ Cars

The angle gear collar changed happened on 2006+ cars,but can be fitted to the older cars as they uprated the quality of the collar steel ,the haldex diff was updated in 2006+ cars.

[jamesy12345]

It's not orange, it's Atacama!

u know what I mean

[jamesy12345]

Think there's a deal to be done here, and you're both in the North East. This is meant to be jamesy12345.

It's a good idea Mark, and a bit of a coincidence but this one is not for the UK


Hope this helps

6.5 secs standard is OK I can live with that

[LeeT5]

I might go all modern and get meself an S60. Looks like I will be putting my toys in my little carpet bag and moving on to a new grazing ground shortly....it's not 100% yet but.....I noticed a black 2007 S60R up for sale with the Dale Winton/David Dickinson dangly apple bag interior.

Better photies to follow, hopefully. It's a geartronic (later 6 speed) and has done about 120,000 km. It's up for 6K, should I run away or investigate further....? Anything to look out for?


I'd buy it!!!!
120,000km OR miles?? That's 74,000 miles - so coming up for the BIG 80,000mile service!!! (will include cambelt and waterpump)
If that is 120,000 miles then make sure it's had the 120k service - if not, haggle!
Atacama interior is £1500 optional extra when new, so if this has it then it's a plus, although it marks very easily, so make sure the girlfriend don't wear jeans or the studs will scratch!! (silk knickers only!)
Shocks are made by Monroe (only) and can be bought direct. They are £200 each or £438 from the dealer (No brainer)
Angle gear, Haldex and rear diff oils - Volvo say are for life! They aren't and should be replaced at least every 80k.
if the last service was done by Volvo then it should have had a full software update included. If not, budget £300 for an interim service inc full software update.
Tax is £480 /year.
Fuel costs - only use 98RON so, Tesco Momentum or Shell V-Power only. Don't use 95RON unleaded, the car is designed to run on 98RON.
66litre fuel tank and expect about 25mpg.
Headlamp alignment needs checking every year as they have a habit of dropping due to the harsh ride.
Proper 4 wheel Alignment is a must as 'side hop' issue can make car feel skittish and un nerving to drive.
Guarantee there will be a fault code or two logged, they don't all put Engine management light on, so have it checked. best done with VIDA or a proper code reader that interrogates ALL the cars ECU's.
If the AWD is functioning properly then tyre wear is excellent. Expect many, many miles from the tyres as they should pretty much wear the same.
Don't use longlife oil (waste of money) drop the oil every 12500miles (I do mine every 10,000)
PCV system. If it smokes from the dipstick tube - replace it! Budget £325 + fitting. This includes a new thermostat & housing and Temp sensor. You can't buy them separate on an P2R.
Can't really think of much else...

enjoy!! :eclipsee_

[jamesy12345]

I'd buy it!!!!
120,000km OR miles?? That's 74,000 miles - so coming up for the BIG 80,000mile service!!! (will include cambelt and waterpump)
If that is 120,000 miles then make sure it's had the 120k service - if not, haggle!
Atacama interior is £1500 optional extra when new, so if this has it then it's a plus, although it marks very easily, so make sure the girlfriend don't wear jeans or the studs will scratch!! (silk knickers only!)
Shocks are made by Monroe (only) and can be bought direct. They are £200 each or £438 from the dealer (No brainer)
Angle gear, Haldex and rear diff oils - Volvo say are for life! They aren't and should be replaced at least every 80k.
if the last service was done by Volvo then it should have had a full software update included. If not, budget £300 for an interim service inc full software update.
Tax is £480 /year.
Fuel costs - only use 98RON so, Tesco Momentum or Shell V-Power only.
66litre fuel tank and expect about 25mpg.
Headlamp alignment needs checking every year as they have a habit of dropping due to the harsh ride.
Proper 4 wheel Alignment is a must as 'side hop' issue can make car feel skittish and un nerving to drive.
Guarantee there will be a fault code or two logged, they don't all put Engine management light on, so have it checked. best done with VIDA or a proper code reader that interrogates ALL the cars ECU's.
If the AWD is functioning properly then tyre wear is excellent. Expect many, many miles from the tyres as they should pretty much wear the same.
Don't use longlife oil (waste of money) drop the oil every 12500miles (I do mine every 10,000)
PCV system. If it smokes from the dipstick tube - replace it! Budget £325 + fitting. This includes a new thermostat & housing and Temp sensor. You can't buy them separate on an P2R.
Can't really think of much else...

enjoy!! :eclipsee_

Thanks, Lee, very useful (in fact thanks to all who have commented - lots of useful info). GF will be instructed to wear no knickers :)

The advert was in kilometres but the guy says the timing belt has been changed and the car has been maintained 'within the dealership'.........will see....

[LeeT5]

u know what I mean

Just teasing mate!!:redface:

[LeeT5]

Thanks, Lee, very useful (in fact thanks to all who have commented - lots of useful info). GF will be instructed to wear no knickers :)

The advert was in kilometres but the guy says the timing belt has been changed and the car has been maintained 'within the dealership'.........will see....

She'll get a very sweaty ass then!! Sweat is not good on leather :nono:

[volvokid]

the dale winton interior is not the orange one they did come with a tan interior
http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/albums//FWD%20and%20AWD/S60/Inscription%20Interiors/008.jpg

I seen a S60 D5 the same colour as mine with this interior the other day

[AndysR]

Don't blame you Jamesy, I've been seriously considering a late V70R I keep hearing horror stories about this and that with them but it doesn't seem to be putting me off ;)

[LeeT5]

Don't blame you Jamesy, I've been seriously considering a late V70R I keep hearing horror stories about this and that with them but it doesn't seem to be putting me off ;)

My next car will be a 2007 V70R with 6 speed auto. If I can't get one then I will settle for an RS4 avant. Nothing else will do I'm afraid. It's those or I ride my MTB.

[MIKESC70T5]

My next car will be a 2007 V70R with 6 speed auto. If I can't get one then I will settle for an RS4 avant. Nothing else will do I'm afraid. It's those or I ride my MTB.

You'll settle for an RS4 Avant lol. The RS4 is better than a V70r in all departments apart from running/servicing costs.

[shepbomb]

You'll settle for an RS4 Avant lol. The RS4 is better than a V70r in all departments apart from running/servicing costs.
Thats down to personal preference, there is no denying they are both fantastic cars, if we all had the same tastes then it would be a very dull world,

[volvokid]

You'll settle for an RS4 Avant lol. The RS4 is better than a V70r in all departments apart from running/servicing costs.

In my eyes the only thing better about an RS4 is performance. I prefer Volvo's looks outside and inside and I also think they are more comfortable.

[MIKESC70T5]

In my eyes the only thing better about an RS4 is performance. I prefer Volvo's looks outside and inside and I also think they are more comfortable.

To be fair I don't think you can compare the two really. V8 4.2 420bhp. I've driven one and the Recaro leather heated electric seats are very comfortable. Handling is great but it was the saloon version. Flared arches and twin exhausts give it a beefy look but not to over the top. They certainly hold there money, £25000 for a good 2007 we'll specked model. How much is a 2007 R, £8000 tops?

[shepbomb]

To be fair I don't think you can compare the two really. V8 4.2 420bhp. I've driven one and the Recaro leather heated electric seats are very comfortable. Handling is great but it was the saloon version. Flared arches and twin exhausts give it a beefy look but not to over the top. They certainly hold there money, £25000 for a good 2007 we'll specked model. How much is a 2007 R, £8000 tops?

Does money represent how good a car is???? Ive just bought a new car and could have paid a little more for an m3 but for me the m3 doesnt do it! as previously stated its all down to personal taste

[volvokid]

To be fair I don't think you can compare the two really. V8 4.2 420bhp. I've driven one and the Recaro leather heated electric seats are very comfortable. Handling is great but it was the saloon version. Flared arches and twin exhausts give it a beefy look but not to over the top. They certainly hold there money, £25000 for a good 2007 we'll specked model. How much is a 2007 R, £8000 tops?
Yip they are two totally different cars, the RS5 that I was in for 100 mile round trips was no way near as comfy that had the uprated seats, The R seats are more luxury than sporty.

[T5frankie]

Does money represent how good a car is???? Ive just bought a new car and could have paid a little more for an m3 but for me the m3 doesnt do it! as previously stated its all down to personal taste

mike only loves his car if its in the above 10 grand category, he really hates for it to be put in the old m3 6 grand box, another volvo hater lol

[Jimmie]

You have to be thin to be comfy in an RS4!!

[MIKESC70T5]

Does money represent how good a car is???? Ive just bought a new car and could have paid a little more for an m3 but for me the m3 doesnt do it! as previously stated its all down to personal taste

My point was your not comparing two like for like cars in my opinion. I'm sure any car magazine etc that had a group test wouldn't put a v70r up against RS4.

[MIKESC70T5]

mike only loves his car if its in the above 10 grand category, he really hates for it to be put in the old m3 6 grand box, another volvo hater lol

Why am I a Volvo hater, I think the V70R is a lovely looking car but if it was a toss up between that and an RS4 the Audi gets my vote. If I could afford an RS4 as a daily car the M3 would be gone lol.
If you think all M3's are only worth £6000 how on earth do you think your red 850r is worth £4300? :worried:

[LeeT5]

Guys guys guys, this wasn't meant to be a which is the better car thread, I merely stated what I'd like my next car to be. Fact is, a 2007 sonic blue V70R auto is much rarer than an RS4 in any guise, so my point was, if I can't have that I would settle for an any spec RS4 avant.
I know they're ££££ loads more money but that wasn't the point. The R is the rarer and more comfy. The RS4 is way more money to run so would not be my ideal.
I know the RS4 is faster, way faster but it will never be as exclusive or turn heads like a mint R!

[volvokid]

Guys guys guys, this wasn't meant to be a which is the better car thread, I merely stated what I'd like my next car to be. Fact is, a 2007 sonic blue V70R auto is much rarer than an RS4 in any guise, so my point was, if I can't have that I would settle for an any spec RS4 avant.
I know they're ££££ loads more money but that wasn't the point. The R is the rarer and more comfy. The RS4 is way more money to run so would not be my ideal.
I know the RS4 is faster, way faster but it will never be as exclusive or turn heads like a mint R!

Speaking about turning heads, Adrienne was in the chippy and I was sat in the R two guys in the chippy apparently couldn't stop talking about the V70, :)

[graemewelch]

To me unless you know what your looking for most people wouldnt notice the difference between a silver v70 and a silver v70r. A rs4 on the other hand its in your face. But two totally different motors. Volvo R is a hybrid between a cruiser with some sportish looks but its not a out right sports saloon or estate like the audi so its not fair fair to compare them both together

[jamesy12345]

She'll get a very sweaty ass then!! Sweat is not good on leather :nono:

I'll take the risk. Might get her a towel for her next birthday


Don't blame you Jamesy, I've been seriously considering a late V70R I keep hearing horror stories about this and that with them but it doesn't seem to be putting me off ;)

^^^this.....I'm scared of the geartronic but everything I find on the net says the 6-speed is better......

I google like this: "S60R geartronic -problems -breakdowns -suicide"


To me unless you know what your looking for most people wouldnt notice the difference between a silver v70 and a silver v70r. A rs4 on the other hand its in your face. But two totally different motors. Volvo R is a hybrid between a cruiser with some sportish looks but its not a out right sports saloon or estate like the audi so its not fair fair to compare them both together

RS cars are pretty good, but the money you need to spend for a decent one is a different league. I was thinking about an RS6 C5.....but the running costs and horror stories killed the idea. Later ones are better but big money.

A group of kids walked past my V70R once and I heard 'look, it's an 'R'! That must be fast as ££££!'. No kids, it's an AWD auto :) only quick up to 20 mph

The S60 is going to be a daily so assuming all goes to plan, like I actually get to the country where it's for sale and it's a decent one, the geartronic isn't putting me off. Better read up on the servicing mentioned by Lee & others above!

13 m turning circle what is that about? :)

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volvo/s60/saloon-2000/32760/

[jamesy12345]

I know it's just throwing numbers around...but...if a stage 1 is a remap only, and a stage 2 is remap plus full exhaust....

TME stage 1 = 310 hp
RICA stage 1 = 330 hp, 450 Nm
BSR stage 1 = ?
MTE stage 1 = 330 hp?

TME stage 2 = ?
RICA stage 2 = ?
BSR stage 2 = 354 hp, 493 Nm
MTE stage 2 = 365 hp?

Also….comparison between RICA and BSR

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?139720

I need to find out about these ‘softloader’ things.

[MIKESC70T5]

To me unless you know what your looking for most people wouldnt notice the difference between a silver v70 and a silver v70r. A rs4 on the other hand its in your face. But two totally different motors. Volvo R is a hybrid between a cruiser with some sportish looks but its not a out right sports saloon or estate like the audi so its not fair fair to compare them both together

That was my point. I thought it a bit strange two totally different cars on his short list. If he had said something like the following were on his short list, v70r, s4 Audi avant, bmw 330 estate etc' I wouldn't of made a comment.

[M-R-P]

I know it's just throwing numbers around...but...if a stage 1 is a remap only, and a stage 2 is remap plus full exhaust....

TME stage 1 = 310 hp
RICA stage 1 = 330 hp, 450 Nm
BSR stage 1 = ?
MTE stage 1 = 330 hp?

TME stage 2 = ?
RICA stage 2 = ?
BSR stage 2 = 354 hp, 493 Nm
MTE stage 2 = 365 hp?

Also….comparison between RICA and BSR

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?139720

I need to find out about these ‘softloader’ things.

Firstly - don't take the reported figures on their websites as realistic, although with the R, they're a bit closer than they state for the T5.

Softloaders are easy... Log into the BSR website, download the software to the handset, plug handset into the OBD socket, press go, wait 5 minutes... done.

[jamesy12345]

Firstly - don't take the reported figures on their websites as realistic, although with the R, they're a bit closer than they state for the T5.

Softloaders are easy... Log into the BSR website, download the software to the handset, plug handset into the OBD socket, press go, wait 5 minutes... done.

Thanks fella, I was just trying to get an idea of what was realistic

I like the idea of this plugging stuff in - I'm reading up on the RICA stuff. I wonder can you swap between maps as you change stuff......

[LeeT5]

Thanks fella, I was just trying to get an idea of what was realistic

I like the idea of this plugging stuff in - I'm reading up on the RICA stuff. I wonder can you swap between maps as you change stuff......

No. It's one map, one car, one VIN.

[jamesy12345]

No. It's one map, one car, one VIN.

boooo

[MIKESC70T5]

I had the remap on my me7 c70t5, made it very smooth, but when I sold the car, I gave it away in the sale as has been said, it's specific for that car. I had the BSR one iirc.

[jamesy12345]

TME stage 2.....365 hp at 6700 rpm and 500 Nm at 4000 rpm

Sounds OK to me! Probably just about the same as MTE

[stribo]

TME stage 2.....365 hp at 6700 rpm and 500 Nm at 4000 rpm

Sounds OK to me! Probably just about the same as MTE

Hmmmm, I may have to look into that. ;)

[jamesy12345]

Hmmmm, I may have to look into that. ;)

Hopefully I will report back and tell you it's good fun))

Haven't even got the car yet though :)

Downside is it's an ECU out job.......and TME is in Schweden

[stribo]

Hopefully I will report back and tell you it's good fun))

Haven't even got the car yet though :)

Downside is it's an ECU out job.......and TME is in Schweden

Our last remap was an ECU out job, so that's not a problem, going all the way to Sweden is. Lol

[jamesy12345]

Our last remap was an ECU out job, so that's not a problem, going all the way to Sweden is. Lol

yeah, I just mention it as I was a bit wary of posting my S70 ECU all the way to Sweden then waiting for it to come back. But come back it did! I did the same to the Netherlands for the 460 and 480 units, same again no probs.

No idea what is the cost though.......I'll ask if & when I get the S60

[Redbrick]

Hopefully I will report back and tell you it's good fun))

Haven't even got the car yet though :)

Downside is it's an ECU out job.......and TME is in Schweden

Try Shark in Mansfield. Good results I've heard.

http://www.sharkperformance.co.uk/mapdetail?Volvo-S60-P2-2001-2010-R-299bhp

[jamesy12345]

Try Shark in Mansfield. Good results I've heard.

http://www.sharkperformance.co.uk/mapdetail?Volvo-S60-P2-2001-2010-R-299bhp

thanks I'll give them a shout for a price of that STS thing

[LeeT5]

13 m turning circle what is that about? :)



It's an AWD thing. Due to the limitations on the transfer box (Angle gear).
if you try to 'front end in first' you'll not get in. Forget it. When parking it's arse end first, then you'll always get in. You get used to it.

[Santa]

No. It's one map, one car, one VIN.

Well its one map at a time (well two, standard and modified) but you can plug the isoftloader into your PC and change the modified map to a different one (if available/pre-purchased) and then change the map on your car.

[jamesy12345]

Well its one map at a time (well two, standard and modified) but you can plug the isoftloader into your PC and change the modified map to a different one (if available/pre-purchased) and then change the map on your car.

The RICA softloader thing must be something similar. Stage 3 sounds nice......shimmed liners anyone?

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?176055-ipd-Stage-III-kit-2004-2007-S60-V70R-updated-thread-6-7-2012

[Santa]

The RICA softloader thing must be something similar. Stage 3 sounds nice......shimmed liners anyone?

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?176055-ipd-Stage-III-kit-2004-2007-S60-V70R-updated-thread-6-7-2012

Because thats the device I was talking about ;)

For my next comment I will be hugging a solid wood coffee table.......................not everyone end up with an issue with liners

[jamesy12345]

Because thats the device I was talking about ;)

For my next comment I will be hugging a solid wood coffee table.......................not everyone end up with an issue with liners

aa gotcha I was a few posts behind on the STS unit. RICA are going for over 400 brake, still in development I think

[stribo]

Well, after a weekend where we covered nearly 350 miles to Plymouth and back, I can't think of a better car to have. The route we did (M3, A303, A30, M5, A38) really gave the R a chance to stretch its legs, and even in torrential rain, was surefooted doing decent speeds. We got there feeling fresh a a daisy, and even though on the return trip we were feeling rough from the night before, it was still an easy trip to make, just put the suspension in comfort mode, and wafted back. I can't speak of the R highly enough, O.K. it costs a bit more to service, as we get the angle gear checked at the same time, but for a mile muncher, you can't go wrong, and if you want a play around the twisties, push the sport button, and it'll do that too. :D I know people bang on about split liners, failed angle gears, and expensive suspension ( as has been highlighted in another thread) but for the extra it costs us over a T5, I'd take an R every time. As quick as a T5 may be, it's a compromise, which the R isn't. Oh and the highlight of my drive back was getting 2 fingers off a driver of a Merc 250 CDi, who had to pull over and let us pass, when he realised he couldn't go fast enough to keep us behind. :D

[LiamT4]

Well, after a weekend where we covered nearly 350 miles to Plymouth and back, I can't think of a better car to have. The route we did (M3, A303, A30, M5, A38) really gave the R a chance to stretch its legs, and even in torrential rain, was surefooted doing decent speeds. We got there feeling fresh a a daisy, and even though on the return trip we were feeling rough from the night before, it was still an easy trip to make, just put the suspension in comfort mode, and wafted back. I can't speak of the R highly enough, O.K. it costs a bit more to service, as we get the angle gear checked at the same time, but for a mile muncher, you can't go wrong, and if you want a play around the twisties, push the sport button, and it'll do that too. :D I know people bang on about split liners, failed angle gears, and expensive suspension ( as has been highlighted in another thread) but for the extra it costs us over a T5, I'd take an R every time. As quick as a T5 may be, it's a compromise, which the R isn't. Oh and the highlight of my drive back was getting 2 fingers off a driver of a Merc 250 CDi, who had to pull over and let us pass, when he realised he couldn't go fast enough to keep us behind. :D

Wow, a merc 250cdi, woop, woop ;)

(I wish my car was as fast as merc 250cdi lol)

[graemewelch]

Oh and the highlight of my drive back was getting 2 fingers off a driver of a Merc 250 CDi, who had to pull over and let us pass, when he realised he couldn't go fast enough to keep us behind. :D[/QUOTE]


Maybe he had short feet and couldnt push the pedal.all the way down :uglyhamme

[LiamT4]

Maybe he had short feet and couldnt push the pedal.all the way down :uglyhamme

pmsl!!

[stribo]

Wow, a merc 250cdi, woop, woop ;)

(I wish my car was as fast as merc 250cdi lol)

I bet you do, but your car is about as fast as continental drift. :P I'm not saying I'm pleased my car was quicker than a 250 CDi, but the frustration the Merc driver felt, when he got wasted by what he thought was a common or garden Volvo. :D
BTW Liam, interesting to note that you couldn't comment on how good the R was. ;)

[stribo]

Oh and the highlight of my drive back was getting 2 fingers off a driver of a Merc 250 CDi, who had to pull over and let us pass, when he realised he couldn't go fast enough to keep us behind. :D


Maybe he had short feet and couldnt push the pedal.all the way down :uglyhamme

I bet he had a longer big toe than you. :finger:

[LiamT4]

I bet you do, but your car is about as fast as continental drift. :P I'm not saying I'm pleased my car was quicker than a 250 CDi, but the frustration the Merc driver felt, when he got wasted by what he thought was a common or garden Volvo. :D
BTW Liam, interesting to note that you couldn't comment on how good the R was. ;)

Why is it interesting? I haven't owned an s60r so i can't give an informed opinion on what they are like, good or bad.

[shepbomb]

My point was your not comparing two like for like cars in my opinion. I'm sure any car magazine etc that had a group test wouldn't put a v70r up against RS4.

Why not just say that then ;-)

[LiamT4]

It's an AWD thing. Due to the limitations on the transfer box (Angle gear).
if you try to 'front end in first' you'll not get in. Forget it. When parking it's arse end first, then you'll always get in. You get used to it.

So the s60r has a worse turning circle than a normal s60? I didn't think it could get any worse ;)

On the question of the box, i have read that the 6spd auto is a much better gearbox, more reliable and more responsive.

[stribo]

Why is it interesting? I haven't owned an s60r so i can't give an informed opinion on what they are like, good or bad.

I didn't want an informed opinion, I have one already, but out of all I wrote about how good the R was, all you could come up with was how I'd beaten a low powered Merc.

[stribo]

So the s60r has a worse turning circle than a normal s60? I didn't think it could get any worse ;)

On the question of the box, i have read that the 6spd auto is a much better gearbox, more reliable and more responsive.

The R turning circle is laughable, but you get used to 5 point turns to get into parking spaces, you never get to like it though.

[LiamT4]

I didn't want an informed opinion, I have one already, but out of all I wrote about how good the R was, all you could come up with was how I'd beaten a low powered Merc.

Yes, thats right, i was taking the p*ss. I also took the p*ss out of my own car in the same post. Thats what i was doing, having a laugh and a joke.

I like the s60r, its a great car for the money. I would like one if it wasn't for the sh*te 5spd auto spoiling the car, and unfortunatly the 6spds are worth quite a bit more, where there are a couple of other cars i'd prefer for the price (not that i can afford one anymore lol).

[jamesy12345]

Photies!

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are you all sure that's not Mr Winton's Ball Bag Orange? Looks like it to me...I mean how I imagine it....

[jamesy12345]

aa gotcha I was a few posts behind on the STS unit. RICA are going for over 400 brake, still in development I think

obviously I had more than a few shandies last night, the above post was supposed to come with the link below.....

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?176055-ipd-Stage-III-kit-2004-2007-S60-V70R-updated-thread-6-7-2012

[Doingitsideways]

Yep, that's Lional Blair's nutsack alright!

Looks nice, steering wheel's on the wrong side though so I'd use that as a haggling tool!

Get that leather fed too, looks like it's cracking like mad... Must be the heat in *insert name of country here* ;)

Steve

[jamesy12345]

Yep, that's Lional Blair's nutsack alright!

Looks nice, steering wheel's on the wrong side though so I'd use that as a haggling tool!

Get that leather fed too, looks like it's cracking like mad... Must be the heat in *insert name of country here* ;)

Steve

Very observant, fella :) saying nowt til the papers are signed!

Poetry falcon is from Walter Mitty - cracking film

[Doingitsideways]

Aye, been meaning to watch that.

Ah, see you soon then for more additions to the Sideways' fleet! ;)

[jamesy12345]

Aye, been meaning to watch that.

Ah, see you soon then for more additions to the Sideways' fleet! ;)

could be!

[jamesy12345]

Better post this here

http://m2.i.pbase.com/o4/08/854608/1/121350282.jcPjUQ8R.ICFail.jpg

Apparently the twin intercooler set up could be better, two alternatives below although non-UK....IPD and VIVA

http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/topic/149787-ipd-p2-drop-in-intercooler/

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?173330-VIVA-FMIC-Install-and-Review

[graemewelch]

That second set up looks very poor quality. Not somthing id be happy with. Tim willams dose a very good fmic.

[stribo]

That second set up looks very poor quality. Not somthing id be happy with. Tim willams dose a very good fmic.

Really, do you have more details? Yeah, I wasn't impressed by the Viva intercooler, alot of it isw hidden behind the front crossmember.

[TerryW]

Like the car, I have enjoyed mine over the past few months and very rare and quite exclusive vehicle everything the guys have said on here in terms of advice pretty much stacks up, running costs and maintenance will be high, but if you shop around you can get good prices, I always ask for discount. it's seems the garages I have been to including volvo, volvo specialists all start the conversation with a smile and the statement 'oh you have an S60R do you' usually a good conversational item which I twist around to get some discount.

[jamesy12345]

That second set up looks very poor quality. Not somthing id be happy with. Tim willams dose a very good fmic.


Really, do you have more details? Yeah, I wasn't impressed by the Viva intercooler, alot of it isw hidden behind the front crossmember.

SNABB intercooler looks better than the two I posted above, at least for the location of the inlet & outlet. I wonder if anyone has thought about a charge cooler

http://www.snabb.us/Ultimate-Volvo-Intercooler-kit-S60-V70_p_148.html

[Dream3r]

SNABB intercooler looks better than the two I posted above, at least for the location of the inlet & outlet. I wonder if anyone has thought about a charge cooler

http://www.snabb.us/Ultimate-Volvo-Intercooler-kit-S60-V70_p_148.html

I took a chance on the klracing drop in IC, which has turned out to be a very astute purchase.

This is a normal S60R, which has been tuned for 1.4 BAR with zorst:

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/RPMandIATS60ROBXrun1.png

And this is my car, full zorst, WI turned off and running 1.4 BAR and KLRacing drop in IC.

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/RPMandIATS60Rdream3R.png

[jamesy12345]

I took a chance on the klracing drop in IC, which has turned out to be a very astute purchase.

This is a normal S60R, which has been tuned for 1.4 BAR with zorst:

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/RPMandIATS60ROBXrun1.png

And this is my car, full zorst, WI turned off and running 1.4 BAR and KLRacing drop in IC.

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/RPMandIATS60Rdream3R.png

This one?
http://shop.klracing.se/sv/artiklar/volvo-s60r-vissa-specialmodeller-45mm.html

Almost a 40 degree drop at the top end there. Do you know the ambient temperature from when you made the plots above? 14 degrees I guess.

[Dream3r]

This one?
http://shop.klracing.se/sv/artiklar/volvo-s60r-vissa-specialmodeller-45mm.html

Almost a 40 degree drop at the top end there. Do you know the ambient temperature from when you made the plots above? 14 degrees I guess.

Yeah it was around 14, can't remember exactly. That's the one.

[jamesy12345]

Yeah it was around 14, can't remember exactly. That's the one.

OK, sounds good. According to the link the dimensions are 825 x 440 x 45 mm, with 55 mm hose connections....I'd be interested to know how the installation went. SNABB one has a smaller height & width but a thicker core.

[graemewelch]

I plan to build my own soon. Drop in just like the oe one. Ill be fitting 3" inlet and outlets to mine though. Just to keep all my boost pipes the same diameter.

[Dream3r]

OK, sounds good. According to the link the dimensions are 825 x 440 x 45 mm, with 55 mm hose connections....I'd be interested to know how the installation went. SNABB one has a smaller height & width but a thicker core.

Installation wasn't done by me but by a mate of mine, it was just radpack out and fit the new IC in the rad pack, using longer bolts and spacers to make it all fit, it wasn't difficult.

[jamesy12345]

I plan to build my own soon. Drop in just like the oe one. Ill be fitting 3" inlet and outlets to mine though. Just to keep all my boost pipes the same diameter.

Looks like theres more space to get a decent thickness core in there

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5049/20120421144218.jpg

[graemewelch]

60mm core in the set up ill be using.

[jamesy12345]

Right then, new job, new country.....S60R still available!

££££ me it's hot...heat soak anyone??

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Scorchio!

[stribo]

Right then, new job, new country.....S60R still available!

££££ me it's hot...heat soak anyone??

25429

Scorchio!

Hot, what you on about? That's about right, used to love the summer when I lived in Spain. :D

[jamesy12345]

Hot, what you on about? That's about right, used to love the summer when I lived in Spain. :D

Feels hot for me! It'll be weird in the winter 20 plus degrees

Now where do those Filipina 'cleaners' advertise (Ks_p still in Kaz)

[jamesy12345]

Well, went to see the S60R……looks like it’s had a bit of a hard life

It was dark at the time so I’ve asked to have a second look daytime plus get it to Volvo for a diagnostic check.

Top radiator hose wasn’t hard but on looking under the bonnet I noticed two things – a fair amount of marking on the charge air pipe into the intercooler and a hissing noise from the expansion tank. I asked the owner and he said he tops it up ‘regularly’ with coolant. Temperature gauge remained at 12 o’clock throughout, ambient temperature was 38 degrees C (scorchio!). Insulation marking on that pipe says to me that the engine has been dancing around a bit.

Seems to drive OK but scraping noise on full lock and slight rattle over bumpy bits – nothing serious bushes on the way out maybe?? Minor point – paint flaking on the strips on the roof, some marking on the leather seats.

I’m just weighing up how much it will cost me plus possible repairs……..it’s up for just under 6K. External stuff I’m not too worried about but if the liners are going then getting a new (shimmed) block out here might be hard work!

[Harvey]

Walk away mate

[stribo]

They all get marks on the top pipe bracket, from the under bonnet insulation, but sounds like it has split a liner.

[volvokid]

My dad will sell you his for 6k and his is spot on lol

[Sharkey R]

As Stribo said, even mine had marks on the pipe when I bought it at 43k. It's not too hard to clean off. I've NEVER had to top mine up with coolant! Sounds like possible Liners!

[LeeT5]

Well, went to see the S60R……looks like it’s had a bit of a hard life

It was dark at the time so I’ve asked to have a second look daytime plus get it to Volvo for a diagnostic check.

Top radiator hose wasn’t hard but on looking under the bonnet I noticed two things – a fair amount of marking on the charge air pipe into the intercooler and a hissing noise from the expansion tank. I asked the owner and he said he tops it up ‘regularly’ with coolant. Temperature gauge remained at 12 o’clock throughout, ambient temperature was 38 degrees C (scorchio!). Insulation marking on that pipe says to me that the engine has been dancing around a bit.

Seems to drive OK but scraping noise on full lock and slight rattle over bumpy bits – nothing serious bushes on the way out maybe?? Minor point – paint flaking on the strips on the roof, some marking on the leather seats.

I’m just weighing up how much it will cost me plus possible repairs……..it’s up for just under 6K. External stuff I’m not too worried about but if the liners are going then getting a new (shimmed) block out here might be hard work!

Totally normal. Its the tyres rubbing on the wheel arch liners. Mine used to do it until I fitted new lock stops.

Most likely in need of a SUM update to stop the shocks topping out (mine used to do that too) or more likely it needs new anti roll bar links.

The biggest concern for me would be the cooling system losing water. It shouldn't, full stop!
You need to establish if its an external leak (easy fix) or internal.....As Harvey says...walk away if so!

[jamesy12345]

Thanks very much for all the comments, gents

Lee thanks for the extra detail as usual!

I'll have a better look in the daylight including underneath & if any water in the oil/vice versa. If no sign of leaks then I think it's a no go, sad to say that

[jamesy12345]

My dad will sell you his for 6k and his is spot on lol

if that includes transport to Doha and conversion to LHD, you've got a deal!

[volvokid]

if that includes transport to Doha and conversion to LHD, you've got a deal!
Of course it does ;)

[Jimmie]

Of course it does ;)

That had better include a holiday as well.!!
Oh I forgot i'm on holiday 24/7 now:biggrin:

[jamesy12345]

That had better include a holiday as well.!!
Oh I forgot i'm on holiday 24/7 now:biggrin:

welcome anytime, fella!

[jamesy12345]

Had a message from the guy selling the S60......he says he took the car to Volvo & had a 'coolant leak check' done, whatever that is. I've done a lot of pressure testing in my time and very much doubt there are any such tests that can identify split liners. As far as I know the only way to confirm is by taking the head off or using a boroscope (maybe), neither of which have been done.

The short version of my answer was - very nice, would you accept 4K for it...:hidesbehi

alternatives to the Volvo are a Clio 182 and an Impreza WRX......

[jamesy12345]

Not surprisingly, the guy wanted more than 4k for the car...so....here endeth this thread :(

[jamesy12345]

Ey up the guy dropped the price to near 4k.....didn't tell me though, must be off his Christmas card list

[LeeT5]

So......is it still available? Are you gonna get it? For 4k I'd rip his arm off! - split liners or not. They are only £500 to fix and you get a new timing belt kit with that too!

Anyway, if it's a 2007 car (which you say it is) I doubt very much it's liners. On that model year, Volvo (secretly) dropped the compression ration by making the piston crown shorter and further more by decreasing the size of the piston rings slightly to allow more 'blow by'.
This course of action was to prevent liners from cracking. Bottom line is, 56 - 07 cars are pretty much bomb proof.
If you want to know how to check yours - pm me.

[jamesy12345]

So......is it still available? Are you gonna get it? For 4k I'd rip his arm off! - split liners or not. They are only £500 to fix and you get a new timing belt kit with that too!

Anyway, if it's a 2007 car (which you say it is) I doubt very much it's liners. On that model year, Volvo (secretly) dropped the compression ration by making the piston crown shorter and further more by decreasing the size of the piston rings slightly to allow more 'blow by'.
This course of action was to prevent liners from cracking. Bottom line is, 56 - 07 cars are pretty much bomb proof.
If you want to know how to check yours - pm me.

Thanks Lee

The guy is ignoring me now....maybe it's gone :) only re-advertised yesterday tho

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car is still available! The guy was talking about talking the head off....I said don't bother will take it. That head is not coming off unless someone who knows what they are doing is near for shimming plus setting up the VVT

[LeeT5]

Thanks Lee

The guy is ignoring me now....maybe it's gone :) only re-advertised yesterday tho

edit

car is still available! The guy was talking about talking the head off....I said don't bother will take it. That head is not coming off unless someone who knows what they are doing is near for shimming plus setting up the VVT

Very wise.

Reminds me of when I bought my P1 R. The seller removed the car from Autotrader ad and declined two ppl ringing about it on the very morning I was going to see it. he told me he couldn't sell it cos the engine management light had come on and the car was running lumpy with reduced power. i negotiated a price (£700 less than advertised) and drove the car gently home. Knowing it would be a simple fix.

Turned out it was ETM.

Trip to the dealer, new ETM and software and car was spanking again! Sweet. I saved £400!

[Doingitsideways]

....I said don't bother will take it.

T5r coming to Manchester then?! ;)

[jamesy12345]

T5r coming to Manchester then?! ;)

first offer over a grand secures ;) I would take less but only without the nitrous kit

[Jonny_rotten]

So......is it still available? Are you gonna get it? For 4k I'd rip his arm off! - split liners or not. They are only £500 to fix and you get a new timing belt kit with that too!

Anyway, if it's a 2007 car (which you say it is) I doubt very much it's liners. On that model year, Volvo (secretly) dropped the compression ration by making the piston crown shorter and further more by decreasing the size of the piston rings slightly to allow more 'blow by'.
This course of action was to prevent liners from cracking. Bottom line is, 56 - 07 cars are pretty much bomb proof.
If you want to know how to check yours - pm me.

LeeT5 - is there anywhere I can find all the upgrades and changes they made for the 56-07 cars? Or is it just a case of trawling through the forums to find chaps like yourself? I'd also like to read about the differences between a standard 2.5 T5 engine and the 2.5 engine that is in the R's.

Thanks

Jonny

[stribo]

LeeT5 - is there anywhere I can find all the upgrades and changes they made for the 56-07 cars? Or is it just a case of trawling through the forums to find chaps like yourself? I'd also like to read about the differences between a standard 2.5 T5 engine and the 2.5 engine that is in the R's.

Thanks

Jonny

There is no 2.5 T5 unless you get the later S40 V50 C30 or C70. The later P2s had a 2.4 T5 which was pretty much the same as the R engine other than the cc, and the mapping.

[jamesy12345]

Mine!

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The Scooby was good but the R does it for me

[Jamest5r]

Less than 4k lol??

[jamesy12345]

Less than 4k lol??

went for it at 4! Not mint but not too bad.....wonder if the liners are really gone. Some good advice from Lee was to let it cool down then fire it up & see whether pressure builds quickly in the expansion tank

forgot to add...took it out for a blast, temperature gauge stayed put, the seller reckons not losing coolant after replacing the exp tank cap

[Doingitsideways]

You're a b@st@rd.

To think, I probably planted the seed in your head to get an S60r when I told you how much I wanted one.

We are no longer freinds.

You can have all your 400s back that you've lumbered me with.

I hate you.

That is all.

[jamesy12345]

You're a b@st@rd.

To think, I probably planted the seed in your head to get an S60r when I told you how much I wanted one.

We are no longer freinds.

You can have all your 400s back that you've lumbered me with.

I hate you.

That is all.

Meh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_CKtYCRIc

Apart from realising my quest to own an R from each era (apart from the new stuff!), a big reason for getting it was the price was good, for what is one of the few decent Volvos in the country.

It does remind me very much of your T6 though. I opened it up on the motorway or whatever they call them here - great fun much more torque than the Scooby.

[stribo]

Nice, and a facelift model to boot.

[jamesy12345]

Nice, and a facelift model to boot.

I'll have a look at the vin today & confirm model year - it is a 6-speed though

[Doingitsideways]

Does look lovely though J, joking aside.

I suppose all P2 models are very similar inside, but I would have thought the S60r would far outpace and handle any S80 T6! ;)

Besides, my gearbox would shat itself at the very thought of it :(

[jamesy12345]

Does look lovely though J, joking aside.

I suppose all P2 models are very similar inside, but I would have thought the S60r would far outpace and handle any S80 T6! ;)

Besides, my gearbox would shat itself at the very thought of it :(

I knew you'd come round with the promise of a bacon butty

Not so far behind Parkers says 7 secs 0-60 for your Luxobarge, & I heard a rumour that the 6-speed GT S60R is 6.5 secs. No offense but I hope the handling is better!! Not that the T6 is bad but it is a biig lump. I loves armchair racing I do

Although grubby it looks pretty flash inside tbh, I think I saw a phone in there, can anyone confirm?

[Doingitsideways]

They were available with a phone. There's a little slot for a sim card.

My T6 has one. It's the height of crap.

Hmm... Me thinks you've been looking up the new T6. Mine is definitely slower than that!

I never realised there would be bacon involved... We're all good Bruvva!

[jamesy12345]

They were available with a phone. There's a little slot for a sim card.

My T6 has one. It's the height of crap.

Hmm... Me thinks you've been looking up the new T6. Mine is definitely slower than that!

I never realised there would be bacon involved... We're all good Bruvva!

check it out it's this one I thought

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volvo/s80/saloon-1998/16732/

Anyways, VIN number on the S60 - YV1RS524X72...

YV1...car
R...S60
S...S60, so good they named it twice
52...B5254T4, 2.5 20V K24 turbo, ME7.01
4...some kind of emissions code
X...gearbox...? must mean this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC
7...2007 model
2...Made in Belgium

Well it would appear I have a 2007 R for very little money...what could possibly go wrong....:)

[stribo]

check it out it's this one I thought

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volvo/s80/saloon-1998/16732/

Anyways, VIN number on the S60 - YV1RS524X72...

YV1...car
R...S60
S...S60, so good they named it twice
52...B5254T4, 2.5 20V K24 turbo, ME7.01
4...some kind of emissions code
X...gearbox...? must mean this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC
7...2007 model
2...Made in Belgium

Well it would appear I have a 2007 R for very little money...what could possibly go wrong....:)

The gearbox. :P

[Sharkey R]

check it out it's this one I thought

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volvo/s80/saloon-1998/16732/

Anyways, VIN number on the S60 - YV1RS524X72...

YV1...car
R...S60
S...S60, so good they named it twice
52...B5254T4, 2.5 20V K24 turbo, ME7.01
4...some kind of emissions code
X...gearbox...? must mean this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC
7...2007 model
2...Made in Belgium

Well it would appear I have a 2007 R for very little money...what could possibly go wrong....:)

He didn't just say that did he??????

I'll copy that sentence and remind you of that someday soooooooooon he he

[Doingitsideways]

R...S60
S...S60, so good they named it twice


Ha ha ha ha ha!!

Yeah, that's the beasty right there on Parker's. I prefer to let my arse tell me how fast a car is (or slow in most of my fleet's case)

There is no ££££in way my S80 would even nearly keep up with an S60r, be it with either slush box, or the manual.
1st gear on mine goes on til about 60!! Lol

[jamesy12345]

The gearbox. :P


He didn't just say that did he??????

I'll copy that sentence and remind you of that someday soooooooooon he he

will see...I'll have to start a expenses list to see how cash it consumes


Ha ha ha ha ha!!

Yeah, that's the beasty right there on Parker's. I prefer to let my arse tell me how fast a car is (or slow in most of my fleet's case)

There is no ££££in way my S80 would even nearly keep up with an S60r, be it with either slush box, or the manual.
1st gear on mine goes on til about 60!! Lol

felt pretty quick when I was in it! Geartronic 4-speed can't beat it

[jamesy12345]

Wow you lads weren't kidding about the tax - 500 quid a year in the UK now, effectively killing the market for the S60R IMO

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/advice/road-tax-guide/volvo/s60/saloon-2000/32760/

Out of interest that puts the Volvo in the same tax bracket as the Lamborghini Aventador, Rolls Royce Phantom, Maybach 62 & whathaveyou

One word - insane.

[M-R-P]

Made in belgium... belgium's not even a real country.

Hands up anybody who's car's VIN plate says "made in Gothenburg Sweden"

:wavey:

[jamesy12345]

Made in belgium... belgium's not even a real country.

Hands up anybody who's car's VIN plate says "made in Gothenburg Sweden"

:wavey:

They make good beers though that's got to count for something!!

Believe me Belgium was good news considering where I am & looking at the other options...

[I]Position 11: Plant of Assembly Code
0 = [Sweden] Kalmar Plant
1 = [Sweden] Torslanda Plant VCT 21(Volvo Torslandaverken) (Gothenburg)
2 = [Belgium] Ghent Plant VCG 22
3 = [Canada] Halifax Plant
4 = - Bertone models 240
5 = [Malaysia]
6 = [Australia]
7 = [Indonesia]
A = [Sweden] Uddevalla Plant (Volvo Cars/TWR (Tom Walkinshaw Racing))
B = [Italy] - Bertone Chongq 31
D = [Italy] - Bertone models 780
E = [Singapore]
F = [The Netherlands] Born Plant (NEDCAR)
J = [Sweden] Uddevalla Plant VCU 38 (Volvo Cars/ Pininfarina Sverige AB)
M = PVÖ 53

Mind you maybe they only made the R at certain places

[M-R-P]

They only made plods in one place :)

The "Special Vehicles Garage" in Gothenburg.

[Doingitsideways]

Made in belgium... belgium's not even a real country.

Hands up anybody who's car's VIN plate says "made in Gothenburg Sweden"

:wavey:

Me, me, me!

Gothenburg x 2! :wavey:

The other three were made in Born though :slap:

[jamesy12345]

They only made plods in one place :)

The "Special Vehicles Garage" in Gothenburg.


Me, me, me!

Gothenburg x 2! :wavey:

The other three were made in Born though :slap:

Flash gits...AFAIK none of the 7 Volvos I've owned hail from Gothenburg, as Steve says most from Born

[stribo]

My C70's come from the Uddevalla plant. :)

[Doingitsideways]

as Steve says most from Born

Let's be honest though, most would say they're not really Volvos.
Renault engines, fettled by Porsche, Lotus(ish) chassis and made in an old DAF factory by a bunch of Dutch stoners!
That's an advert for the EU right there!! ;)

My collection goes from one extreme to the other.
2 x 480s, arguably the worst built Volvo ever (although I love them dearly) to the 960, probably the best there ever will be. I swear, it's actually made of the earth's core, plated with diamond!
It was all good 'til I ripped out the whiteblock and put a bloody VW derv in it!! :(
Does sound epic though, huh?


GOTHENBURG RULES!!

Done

[T5frankie]

Meh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_CKtYCRIc

Apart from realising my quest to own an R from each era (apart from the new stuff!), a big reason for getting it was the price was good, for what is one of the few decent Volvos in the country.

It does remind me very much of your T6 though. I opened it up on the motorway or whatever they call them here - great fun much more torque than the Scooby.

STI's have the same power and torque as an s60r but alot lighter

[jamesy12345]

Let's be honest though, most would say they're not really Volvos.
Renault engines, fettled by Porsche, Lotus(ish) chassis and made in an old DAF factory by a bunch of Dutch stoners!
That's an advert for the EU right there!! ;)

My collection goes from one extreme to the other.
2 x 480s, arguably the worst built Volvo ever (although I love them dearly) to the 960, probably the best there ever will be. I swear, it's actually made of the earth's core, plated with diamond!
It was all good 'til I ripped out the whiteblock and put a bloody VW derv in it!! :(
Does sound epic though, huh?


GOTHENBURG RULES!!

Done

:uglyhamme what the EU actually is, is a load of business people making ££££ loads of money

it does sound great (Tucker I mean, I'm pretty indifferent to the sound of the EU)


STI's have the same power and torque as an s60r but alot lighter

WRX makes all the power quite high up...nothing happens til 5k. The STi must be even more peaky. Had it up to 220 km/h today had a little bit more left

[jamesy12345]

I thought I posted this before somewhere but I can't see it, anyway...Stage Zero for an S60R thou shalt be doing:

*Checks for split liners: temp gauge, hardened top rad hose, fast accumulation of pressure in expansion tank from cold, using coolant, sniff test (thanks Stribo)
*Headlight adjustment - looking pretty low
*Angle gear, haldex & rear diff oil change
*4-wheel alignment
*PCV vacuum check/replace
*Codes read/software update
*Check & replace spark plugs
*Air, fuel and oil filter service
*Trans fluid flush
*Inspect & replace vacuum lines and IC piping rubber
*Upgrade to silicone hoses where possible...hmm, do IPD sell hoses...?
*Test / replace 02 sensors
*Verify proper fuel flow using a fuel pressure tester and replace fuel pumps if needed
*Clean / replace injectors
*Clean intercooler / intercooler plumbing
*Compression and cylinder leak down test

Some from the IPD site, some from this forum (esp. LeeT5). Any advance on the above pls shout up

[stribo]

The easiest way to test for split liners would be to get a sniff test done.

[jamesy12345]

The easiest way to test for split liners would be to get a sniff test done.

Good plan. What is arabic for 'sniff test'?

[stribo]

الاختبار شم :D I don't know how you pronounce it.

[jamesy12345]

الاختبار شم :D I don't know how you pronounce it.

:uglyhamme nice one. I'll try and write that down & take it to the garage....I feel a mime/game of charades coming on........

[T5frankie]

:uglyhamme what the EU actually is, is a load of business people making ££££ loads of money

it does sound great (Tucker I mean, I'm pretty indifferent to the sound of the EU)



WRX makes all the power quite high up...nothing happens til 5k. The STi must be even more peaky. Had it up to 220 km/h today had a little bit more left
My wrx was rapid from 2000rpms was only a 2.0 one 53 plate did a 13.7 quarter mile, wasn't mapped either

[jamesy12345]

My wrx was rapid from 2000rpms was only a 2.0 one 53 plate did a 13.7 quarter mile, wasn't mapped either

Just had another go...maybe I was exaggerating a bit, say 4k-4.5k when things start happening. It doesn't feel like it could match a 13.7 although to be fair it's still 40-odd degrees

[jamesy12345]

Brief update, a small start on the stage zero...

I've checked the top hose for hardness, temperature gauge sits where it should (even with the outside temperature gauge reading 50 degrees C today):

25852

...the coolant system doesn't appear to be pressurizing too quickly, the video below is me taking the cap off after firing up from cold...I let the temperature gauge get up to about halfway to it's normal position (gauge reading half way to vertical position), then switch off the engine & made the video.


http://youtu.be/9y9a9vGTzNc

Sniff test next. Then that will confirm if that the liners are fine, hopefully, but everything so far seems to say they are all good.

Added a V for Vendetta mask...check out the sun damage on the trim:

25853

And so to bed...

25854

[jamesy12345]

A little visit to the main dealers today...

25872

Out with the old, in with the new

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u565/jamesy12345/ACdelcoold_zps41fb974d.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jamesy12345/media/ACdelcoold_zps41fb974d.jpg.html)

25875

Part number of battery for reference

25877

Not sure if you can make out the CCA of the old battery...300! About enough to power an electric tooth brush. Vent through the boot floor refitted also....visible in the second photo to the right of the battery.

Did someone mention their R ate bulbs....

25874

The dealers seemed to be well equipped even though all the way out here...alignment kit...

25873

and Vida corner! Happy to see this. Car was given an almost clean bill of health, apart from headlights & 'trunk handle too low'.

25876

25871

Bah

25870

A couple of jobs knocked off the stage zero & more added! The headlights are both lighting up but when switching on they will raise then lower to the lowest position and sit there.

[stribo]

A little visit to the main dealers today...

25872

Out with the old, in with the new

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u565/jamesy12345/ACdelcoold_zps41fb974d.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jamesy12345/media/ACdelcoold_zps41fb974d.jpg.html)

25875

Part number of battery for reference

25877

Not sure if you can make out the CCA of the old battery...300! About enough to power an electric tooth brush. Vent through the boot floor refitted also....visible in the second photo to the right of the battery.

Did someone mention their R ate bulbs....

25874

The dealers seemed to be well equipped even though all the way out here...alignment kit...

25873

and Vida corner! Happy to see this. Car was given an almost clean bill of health, apart from headlights & 'trunk handle too low'.

25876

25871

Bah

25870

A couple of jobs knocked off the stage zero & more added! The headlights are both lighting up but when switching on they will raise then lower to the lowest position and sit there.

Sounds like they need recalibrating.

[LeeT5]

Check the security of the level sensor. It's bolted to the rear axle on the right side. Often, the 10mm bolt comes loose or drops out. Then the sensor can't tell level of car and default fail position is lowest level.
Failing that, it just needs to be recalibrated.
Check the sensor is not seized also.

[jamesy12345]

Thanks gents I will check both of those suggestions out...the helpful Vida operator said - needs new passenger side headlight...

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u565/jamesy12345/hC56632D1_zpsb91b815b.gif (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jamesy12345/media/hC56632D1_zpsb91b815b.gif.html)

Faults were listed for both headlights btw

[jamesy12345]

Coolant low warning...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/18/article-1258775-08C34029000005DC-212_306x310.jpg

Time for a Reggie Perrin? Another car left gathering dust in the desert...?

No, wait, the coolant level in the header tank rose back to normal as the car cooled. Over pressurizing obviously but the cap looks new...

[LeeT5]

Fluid level should drop when it cools, not rise!

[jamesy12345]

Fluid level should drop when it cools, not rise!

it's an odd one...can only guess that the exhaust gases ARE in the coolant, and are displacing the liquid in the expansion tank??? oh dear

[stribo]

it's an odd one...can only guess that the exhaust gases ARE in the coolant, and are displacing the liquid in the expansion tank??? oh dear

Was the coolant actually low, or is it just a dodgy sensor.

[jamesy12345]

Was the coolant actually low, or is it just a dodgy sensor.

actually went down fella, message flashed up on the dash when the coolant was ££££ on min level. I'll keep an eye on it..................oh yeah & change the cap just in case although it doesn't look old

[LeeT5]

Bottom line is, if you have to keep topping it up from a precise level then it's got a leak, be it internal or external.
If it's external then its safe to drive so long as you keep topping up with a 50/50 mix of coolant until you can get the leak sorted (preferably soonest) but if its internal then it's not safe to drive and to continue doing so will cause further damage.

[jamesy12345]

Bottom line is, if you have to keep topping it up from a precise level then it's got a leak, be it internal or external.
If it's external then its safe to drive so long as you keep topping up with a 50/50 mix of coolant until you can get the leak sorted (preferably soonest) but if its internal then it's not safe to drive and to continue doing so will cause further damage.

Can't see any external leaks...doesn't appear to be losing anything - the level is fluctuating. Sniff test needed!

[Redbrick]

Does it idle cleanly or have a slight stumble/dip every few seconds?

[jamesy12345]

Does it idle cleanly or have a slight stumble/dip every few seconds?

Idle is good, runs high when first fired up - about 1.5k, then drops to a very steady 750 rpm

Just took it out for a run in 40 plus ambient temps, stuck in traffic for hours - coolant was around minimum when I set off, level definitely drops as the car warms up, then rises when it cools or when the expansion tank cap is (carefully) cracked

[jamesy12345]

Ignore all that pish above about levels rising & falling (fall & rise...of reggie perrin),

The car is definitely using coolant, must be passing somewhere just slightly as there is quite a bit of pressure left in the expansion tank a while after a run.

I don't know how people can sell cars on & keep quiet when they know there is a fault. If I'd bought this for 6k I'd be pissed off now. The previous owner was still claiming it was fine....got the headlight & coolant warning messages within days of starting to use the car....never seen those before....sure....

Anyway, booked in for a 4-wheel alignment on Saturday :)

[jamesy12345]

The car is now with Volvo for a strip down......with strict instructions to stop & give me a call when the head is off

Anyone got a shimmed 2.5 block they don't need.....with a price including postage to Doha

[Dream3r]

If it helps you could drop a 2.4 in there or hybridise a 2.3 block with with your engine.

[Ettienne]

I shimmed my split liner and it's been perfect so far after 1500 miles of summer driving in town, nit a drop of coolant has been used. It's much less hassle and cheaper than dropping the engine especially if it's in a garage, basically same price as head gasket.

As above, I had a spare already split s60r engine my friend has used, re bored into a 2.3 block and I shimmed the liners for him.

[jamesy12345]

If it helps you could drop a 2.4 in there or hybridise a 2.3 block with with your engine.

Thanks for the comment

I heard that was possible but wasn't sure how much work it was.....my very ideal plan was to strip down, identify the cracked liner or liners then swap the block for the shimmed item & build back up.

I'm reluctant to source an engine here as there isn't a great deal of experience with these cars (myself included) & shipping an entire engine scares the ££££ out of me tbh. I do like to keep as standard as possible although that's not a major thing.

There's a few C30s with the 2.5 engine about the city so maybe a block can be had here, probably for mega money though & no shims

[jamesy12345]

I shimmed my split liner and it's been perfect so far after 1500 miles of summer driving in town, nit a drop of coolant has been used. It's much less hassle and cheaper than dropping the engine especially if it's in a garage, basically same price as head gasket.

As above, I had a spare already split s60r engine my friend has used, re bored into a 2.3 block and I shimmed the liners for him.

Thanks for that info

What you mean - shimmed after a split & it was successful? Sounds good to me if so. I can't carry a block in my hand luggage but shims I can :)

[Dream3r]

Thanks for the comment

I heard that was possible but wasn't sure how much work it was.....my very ideal plan was to strip down, identify the cracked liner or liners then swap the block for the shimmed item & build back up.

I'm reluctant to source an engine here as there isn't a great deal of experience with these cars (myself included) & shipping an entire engine scares the ££££ out of me tbh. I do like to keep as standard as possible although that's not a major thing.

There's a few C30s with the 2.5 engine about the city so maybe a block can be had here, probably for mega money though & no shims

I was assuming you'd be able to source something local. The 2.4 drops straight in, you'd probably need an experienced engine builder for the 2.3 option, which is popular in Europe and it's more complex.

Both of those options will require a small adjustment of the map as displacement will have changed.

[jamesy12345]

I was assuming you'd be able to source something local. The 2.4 drops straight in, you'd probably need an experienced engine builder for the 2.3 option, which is popular in Europe and it's more complex.

Both of those options will require a small adjustment of the map as displacement will have changed.

I did hear of a 2.4 over in Dubai available but that could be a bag of 600 quid bag of ££££e. I'll give Shemtek & Tim Williams a shout, see if they can help with bits for a 2.5. Assume I will need at least new rings to go with a new block

I had a new ECU with mapping for ethanol on order from TME but it's on hold until this is sorted...that is my Absolut-ly Fabulous project.....Absolut = vodka = ethanol...sorry

[jamesy12345]

News just in from Volvo...according to the history, the cylinder head was off 25,000 km ago...:)

that might scupper my plan for new block & reusing the head

[Dream3r]

I did hear of a 2.4 over in Dubai available but that could be a bag of 600 quid bag of ££££e. I'll give Shemtek & Tim Williams a shout, see if they can help with bits for a 2.5. Assume I will need at least new rings to go with a new block

I had a new ECU with mapping for ethanol on order from TME but it's on hold until this is sorted...that is my Absolut-ly Fabulous project.....Absolut = vodka = ethanol...sorry

Cool, E85, I wish we had that here. You'll probably max your greens rather quick with that ;)

[oblark]

Thanks for that info

What you mean - shimmed after a split & it was successful? Sounds good to me if so. I can't carry a block in my hand luggage but shims I can :)

Shimming the liners is a repair that works and saves buying a new engine.

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0882.jpg (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/oblark/media/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0882.jpg.html)

[jamesy12345]

Cool, E85, I wish we had that here. You'll probably max your greens rather quick with that ;)

therein lies the problem....alcohol is strictly prohibited here without a licence :hidesbehi. The map is for greens & up to 20% ethanol

Anyway, I don't think I'll be here long. I can't work in a place where the gas cookers drive better cars than their clients :)


Shimming the liners is a repair that works and saves buying a new engine.

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0882.jpg (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/oblark/media/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0882.jpg.html)

Thanks, what is that material pls - 304 stainless, spring steel..?

[oblark]

I used stainless shimming steel, brought a pack of assorted sizes then cut them into 10mm wide strips. They where a light tap in them :)

[jamesy12345]

I used stainless shimming steel, brought a pack of assorted sizes then cut them into 10mm wide strips. They where a light tap in them :)

You'll do for me, stainless has the least thermal expansion of the three materials I can see menitoned in the thread below...

http://forums.turbobricks.com/archive/index.php/t-204481.html

spring steel
aluminum 6061
stainless

thanks, will update..........

[graemewelch]

The car is now with Volvo for a strip down......with strict instructions to stop & give me a call when the head is off



Anyone got a shimmed 2.5 block they don't need.....with a price including postage to Doha


You wouldnt beleve what i have in the corner of my garage. Shipping isnt a issue either

[jamesy12345]

You wouldnt beleve what i have in the corner of my garage. Shipping isnt a issue either

hehe nice one, was wondering if you'd got rid of all the bits.....pm'd

[jamesy12345]

Brief update....verdict from Volvo is a warped head, although they haven't removed it yet, assume they are basing that on the cars history...

Wheel alignment already done and regarding the coolant leak we have fixed one of the hose and there is no leaking after the road test. But still this car having a problem with cylinder head warping which might lose your coolant in long period of drive.

For fix that we need to open the Cylinder head. But as I know the history about the car I can even give you the minimum cost for the job without opening the cylinder head.
We need to replace the cylinder head assembly minimum am sure and the engine block only I can confirm once it is opened.

Is there any way you to come down to workshop for discussing these for the further steps? Meanwhile I will get the minimum approximately cost for the job.

Not sure what all of that means, money is the general idea

[LeeT5]

Did they say why the head was off 25,000km ago?
I assume that it was a dealer that had the head off? If thats the case, they will be able to confirm for you if they had the cylinder head skimmed? If not, then I suppose the best course of action is to remove head, shim liners and refit. I've never heard of a 2.5 head warping! This could only be confirmed using a dti anyway.

[jamesy12345]

Did they say why the head was off 25,000km ago?
I assume that it was a dealer that had the head off? If thats the case, they will be able to confirm for you if they had the cylinder head skimmed? If not, then I suppose the best course of action is to remove head, shim liners and refit. I've never heard of a 2.5 head warping! This could only be confirmed using a dti anyway.

Yes, Lee, it was the dealer who previously removed the head. I had no idea before taking it but asked about the history of the car since it is the only Volvo dealer in the country AFAIK

They haven't given me a clear answer on why the head was off or how long is their warranty period on work like this (if any :))....they didn't say skimming but they did say polishing.......semantics maybe. I know what the next step is - if they don't supply a new head any work done will be at my own risk regardless of using a DTI. I have no wish to increase the comp ratio due to a possibly twice skimmed head!

I don't mind getting the work done if I find the parts, but I haven't been able to find a shipping company who will move the car back to UK

[jamesy12345]

Forgot to update this.....sold the car as I am out of work at the mo