Powerflexed the Lower Torque Rod

[JamesT5]

Today, I braved the showers and at times cold winds to finally get around to Powerflexing the Lower Torque Rod that joins the subframe to the gearbox. I also did another little job on the rear end today that I'll post in a separate thread. ;) Anyway, here's how it went......

This is the rod immediately after I took it off the car....

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011635_zpsde0ad81e.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011635_zpsde0ad81e.jpg.html)

The Torque Rod isn't actually that old, less than 12 months from what I remember, but to be honest the movement in the large bushing was pretty gob smacking (see video link)........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIf5fNnKXuM&feature=youtu.be

So I broke the rod down in to it's individual components, the 'snail' piece consisting of the large bushing, the centre tie bar and the small end that attached to the gearbox....

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011637_zpsa7d2befa.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011637_zpsa7d2befa.jpg.html)

Incidentally, you can see just how inferior the original rubber bushings are by simply looking at the daylight poking through the crack in the large bush (shocking!) :shockedbi ....

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011638_zps9cfc4112.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011638_zps9cfc4112.jpg.html)

Next, it was a case of drilling out the old bushings (the large one was the easiest, can't you tell! ;) ), and then I had to cut the plastic casing out from the snail end using a hacksaw before twisting out with some plumbers grips....

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011639_zpsd68d11fa.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011639_zpsd68d11fa.jpg.html)

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011640_zps56517558.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011640_zps56517558.jpg.html)

Out came the blow torch afterwards to burn off the rubber from the small end (sorry about the poor lens focus on this shot)......

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Next, all the parts went off to the 'JamesT5 Paint Shop' for a coat of good old Hammerite Silver....... :D :B_thumb:

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011648_zps65024394.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011648_zps65024394.jpg.html)

I got on with 'the other job' whilst I waited a few hours for the paint to dry and then it was time to push in the new bushes. The large bush went in really easily, the small bush was complete ball ache because the one side didn't quite want to push in all the way which meant getting the small end back in to the centre tie bar was nothing short of hard work. This of course was made a lot harder by the Black Series Powerflex compound being so stiff, but in the end I managed without the need to go and buy a G-Clamp or Hydraulic Press (I could of done with one). Incidentally, it helped to put the bolt through and tighten it up to press the bushing in before undoing the bolt again, then using brute force to wiggle it in to the centre tie piece, still, very hard work and a total PITA non the less.

The completed Powerflexed Mount, both off and on the car.....

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011650_zpsa2a4d6e0.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011650_zpsa2a4d6e0.jpg.html)

(Again, sorry about the poor lens focus....)

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011657_zps81eb390d.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011657_zps81eb390d.jpg.html)

In terms of how the car feels, well all I can say is it feels totally epic! :D I'm really pleased with it and the whole front end just feels 'alive' and just like it's behaving itself. Everything feels really nice and tight and I just feel that the engine is really 'connected' to the car. There is a slight increase in vibration around the footwell area during idle, but this is totally fine and actually enhances the driving experience.

I'm really pleased with the result and I now have every Powerflex bushing they make for the P2 V70 front end on the car and I'm lovin' it!

[silverhorse]

:B_thumb:

[pillapow]

Ive just fitted a new torque rod myself yesterday, still feel the movement through the gearstick when coming off the throttle, wouldnt surprise me if its failed already, i probably should of went the powerflex route but was weary of too much vibration.

[JamesT5]

Ive just fitted a new torque rod myself yesterday, still feel the movement through the gearstick when coming off the throttle, wouldnt surprise me if its failed already, i probably should of went the powerflex route but was weary of too much vibration.

The vibration isn't anywhere near as bad as you think. People seem to have the perception that the whole car will shake itself to pieces when Powerflexing the front end like I have. But the truth is, there is more vibration and some people don't like it, but for me there vibration really isn't as bad as you'd think and I like the way the Powerflex bushes make the car feel reassuringly sturdy like it's 'stuck together' and will stay that way for the life of the car.

I really will not go back to rubber ever again unless there is no alternative, I can't tell you what a difference it makes Powerflexing the car. I've just got to look at the back end now as I'd really like to get the whole car on Polybushes and I'm already half way there! :B_thumb:

[JamesT5]

Ive just fitted a new torque rod myself yesterday, still feel the movement through the gearstick when coming off the throttle, wouldnt surprise me if its failed already, i probably should of went the powerflex route but was weary of too much vibration.

By the way, if you're worried about vibration then go for the softer Powerflex ranges but if you're as keen and enthusiastic as I am about a sturdy ride, then Black Series all the way! :D

[JamesT5]

By the way, did I tell you I fitted some Nivomats...?

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:hilarious Just kidding......... :uglyhamme :ices_rofl

[Gold 'N' Brown]

I like the way the Powerflex bushes make the car feel reassuringly sturdy like it's 'stuck together'

I reckon I know what you mean. Many years ago I replaced the rubber bushes on the rear beam of a 205 GTI, with what is know as Group N mounts (a popular modification). This comprised of hard nylon inserts for the front mounts, replacing rubber, and at the rear the rubber "sandwich" mounts are replaced with alloy blocks. So you end up with a beam that's very solidly mounted to the shell.

Anyway, the downside was a slight increase in cabin drone as road noise was transmitted back through the beam and in to the shell. But the thing that struck me most - and this is where I think I can relate to what you are saying - is that is made a massive (positive) difference to how the entire car felt. It felt sturdy, tight, fresh. It was as if that one small change had turned it from 80s Peugeot tin can build quality in to something more typically Germanic.

I have very little other experience of uprated bushes on any cars, but it's clear that bush choice is a very personal thing. Everyone will have a different tolerance to NVH. You seem pleased with your choices, so good for you!

[jdavis]

good work James.

[LeeT5]

Incidentally, you can see just how inferior the original rubber bushings are by simply looking at the daylight poking through the crack in the large bush (shocking!) :shockedbi ....

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011638_zps9cfc4112.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011638_zps9cfc4112.jpg.html)



Just to clarify James, that's NOT a crack in the rubber. If you look closely at the larger bush you will see that it's point of contact are infant top and bottom, as per your picture. The bush is not round and does not make full contact with the entire circumference of the bush frame. The crack that you see is, in fact excess rubber from the casting of the mould. The rubber is wafer thin at that point and not part of the actual bush. You will see exactly the same hairline crack on a brand new bush! It does not affect the characteristics or performance of the rubber bush.
I know your not bothered now as you have replaced the bushes, i just wanted to point that out incase anyone was wondering if their bush is cracked. The picture is misleading as are your comments (thou I know not intended), hence my reason for clarification.

[JamesT5]

Just to clarify James, that's NOT a crack in the rubber. If you look closely at the larger bush you will see that it's point of contact are infant top and bottom, as per your picture. The bush is not round and does not make full contact with the entire circumference of the bush frame. The crack that you see is, in fact excess rubber from the casting of the mould. The rubber is wafer thin at that point and not part of the actual bush. You will see exactly the same hairline crack on a brand new bush! It does not affect the characteristics or performance of the rubber bush.
I know your not bothered now as you have replaced the bushes, i just wanted to point that out incase anyone was wondering if their bush is cracked. The picture is misleading as are your comments (thou I know not intended), hence my reason for clarification.

I think you're being a little pedantic here, I don't really give flying monkey about whether that gap is or isn't supposed to be there but it looks like a crack when you see it.

The fact remains that the original bush is quite clearly inferior to the solid Powerflex bushings that are now in the mount and the video clip I posted says it all. If I can bend that bushing in the mount like I did with my bare hands, just think how much force the engine puts on it. The small bushings tend to fail first in these mounts, I know that because my original had failed and another small end that came attached to my current gearbox was exactly the same. Yet, to see how much effort it took to drill out the small bushing from the above mount makes you appreciate just how much force these Torque Mounts take. So that hole in the original large bushing just invites premature wear and tear, something totally eradicated by fitting a solid Powerflex version.

[Jimmie]

James for your info LR Defender guys do not fit powerflex bushes because they do not last as long as the standard ones that are fitted.
Different type of vehicles I know but maybe the same outcome.

[JamesT5]

James for your info LR Defender guys do not fit powerflex bushes because they do not last as long as the standard ones that are fitted.
Different type of vehicles I know but maybe the same outcome.

Powerflex offer a "Lifetime Warranty" on all their bushes, they wouldn't offer that if they were prone to failing like a rubber bushing. That's enough for me and says it all!

[p fandango]

James for your info LR Defender guys do not fit powerflex bushes because they do not last as long as the standard ones that are fitted.
Different type of vehicles I know but maybe the same outcome.
I'd be interested to see pics of a failed powerflex bush. With factory bushes having gaps, contours & sleeves etc they are normally the areas to giveaway. I'm genuinely interested in seeing how the powerflex bushes (as they are solid) fail

[T5RatherAmusin]

I'd be interested to see pics of a failed powerflex bush. With factory bushes having gaps, contours & sleeves etc they are normally the areas to giveaway. I'm genuinely interested in seeing how the powerflex bushes (as they are solid) fail

what a failed poly bush looks like.
beit not a powerflex...
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[stephenevans99]

lol....PPS specials no doubt.

[abdul]

lol....PPS specials no doubt.

whos pps

[Gold 'N' Brown]

James for your info LR Defender guys do not fit powerflex bushes because they do not last as long as the standard ones that are fitted.
Different type of vehicles I know but maybe the same outcome.

As you pointed out, you're not comparing apples with apples. On another marque of vehicle I'm involved with it's widely regarded that the OE wishbone bushes should not be replaced with poly bushes as they are proven to not last as long. In fact some poly bushes have been known to fail within a few hundred miles.

It's not just the type of vehicle in question, it's also the type of bush and the manufacturer of those bushes that needs to be considered. That's why what is known to work and not work on one type of car isn't necessarily going to be the same on a different car.

[LeeT5]

I think you're being a little pedantic here, I don't really give flying monkey about whether that gap is or isn't supposed to be there but it looks like a crack when you see it.

The fact remains that the original bush is quite clearly inferior to the solid Powerflex bushings that are now in the mount and the video clip I posted says it all. If I can bend that bushing in the mount like I did with my bare hands, just think how much force the engine puts on it. The small bushings tend to fail first in these mounts, I know that because my original had failed and another small end that came attached to my current gearbox was exactly the same. Yet, to see how much effort it took to drill out the small bushing from the above mount makes you appreciate just how much force these Torque Mounts take. So that hole in the original large bushing just invites premature wear and tear, something totally eradicated by fitting a solid Powerflex version.

FFS James, I was not being pedantic! Read my post again!!!
I was not having a pop at you nor was I intending to undermine your thread. The fact is YOU were incorrect in what you said about the Bush having a 'crack' in it. Being as your post will be viewed by thousands of others, I had to stress that in fact what you had shown in your picture was not a crack at all but was totally normal in that type of rubber bush, due to the way it is manufactured.
To coin your phrase 'I don't give a flying monkey about whether that gap is or isn't supposed to be there' just illustrates your unwillingness to learn and, also demonstrates how immature you can be in your responses to other peoples threads.


Powerflex offer a "Lifetime Warranty" on all their bushes, they wouldn't offer that if they were prone to failing like a rubber bushing. That's enough for me and says it all!

I rest my case!

[V70-R-T5]

FFS James, I was not being pedantic! Read my post again!!!
I was not having a pop at you nor was I intending to undermine your thread. The fact is YOU were incorrect in what you said about the Bush having a 'crack' in it. Being as your post will be viewed by thousands of others, I had to stress that in fact what you had shown in your picture was not a crack at all but was totally normal in that type of rubber bush, due to the way it is manufactured.
To coin your phrase 'I don't give a flying monkey about whether that gap is or isn't supposed to be there' just illustrates your unwillingness to learn and, also demonstrates how immature you can be in your responses to other peoples threads.



I rest my case!

Lee, for what it's worth I was about to post the same advice but, anticipating the response, I didn't bother.

However having spent many years on the tools, IMHO you are correct to point it out as there is clearly one person who thought the bush was U/S or "inferior". Like the bush in the OE upper engine mounting there too, the way the rubber is moulded, it could lead the less experienced to mistakenly assume the bush was requiring replacement.:shockedbi

[JamesT5]

FFS James, I was not being pedantic! Read my post again!!!
I was not having a pop at you nor was I intending to undermine your thread. The fact is YOU were incorrect in what you said about the Bush having a 'crack' in it. Being as your post will be viewed by thousands of others, I had to stress that in fact what you had shown in your picture was not a crack at all but was totally normal in that type of rubber bush, due to the way it is manufactured.
To coin your phrase 'I don't give a flying monkey about whether that gap is or isn't supposed to be there' just illustrates your unwillingness to learn and, also demonstrates how immature you can be in your responses to other peoples threads.



I rest my case!

No, I think you lack maturity, going off on one with troll-like behaviour on virtually every thread I post. For a man who claims to know so much about these cars, yours seems to spend a lot of time in the Volvo garage which says it all to me - an ego bigger than your knowledge.

Sorry mate, you respond so abruptly to me all the time then my replies will be the same back to you. My attitude will change no more than yours will but just stop hijacking my threads and devaluing the content of my initial post.

[graemewelch]

james i strongly disagree with what youve wrote above. ive re read the posts in this tread and lee has given you nothing but good advise and is right on every level. you know as well as everyone else on here that lee is a very knolodgeable guy with not just volvos but cars in general and the standard of his car just shows that. after all it is what he dose for a living. i remember about a year ago getting the same sort of abuse from you when you got the hump with me cause you didnt agree with what i had to say. so for me james theres only one guy in the wrong here. dont take it as a personal attack im saying it as it is just like i do with every other thread on hear, no matter who started the thread. there is no hijacking on thread. its a public forum wear you ask for a lot of help. sooner or later people arnt going to refuse to help you.

[JamesT5]

james i strongly disagree with what youve wrote above. ive re read the posts in this tread and lee has given you nothing but good advise and is right on every level. you know as well as everyone else on here that lee is a very knolodgeable guy with not just volvos but cars in general and the standard of his car just shows that. after all it is what he dose for a living. i remember about a year ago getting the same sort of abuse from you when you got the hump with me cause you didnt agree with what i had to say. so for me james theres only one guy in the wrong here. dont take it as a personal attack im saying it as it is just like i do with every other thread on hear, no matter who started the thread. there is no hijacking on thread. its a public forum wear you ask for a lot of help. sooner or later people arnt going to refuse to help you.

Some people will read Lee's replies and think the same as me, some won't. But I don't like the tone of his replies and that's the end of it. Most people don't reply like that on here so somewhere something has gone wrong and what are we now doing discussing this on a thread about how I polybushed my Torque Mount!

One pedantic comment about what someone thinks is wrong with what I said and it's WW3 on here. What was wrong with Lee just simply coming on and wording things little more diplomatically, something like;

"Nice work, thanks for the useful post and photos" followed by "Sometimes these holes in the rubber bushes are naturally occurring and not necessarily a failure within it, but you can clearly see the difference between Poly bushes and Rubber in terms of integrity"

Does that not basically say the same thing without hacking in to me and behaving like a "Mr Know it all"?

[graemewelch]

still disagree james. we will never see eye to eye and will probobly disagree on most things. but all lee did was try to help you several times and correct what you had said. like he said its no good giving bad advise so it was corrected. im sure your reply was something along the lines of i dont give a toss what the condition of the bush is. ive replaced it with better anyway. i cant be bothered to go through old posts to quote exactly what you said

[V70-R-T5]

Graeme. It's the difference between knowing and believing.

This might put it in perspective though.

Regarding the removal of expensive to replace trim, Lee advised;


Yes, we'll done. However, invest in a cheap set of 'boning' tools as ramming a flat blade screwdriver between expensive plastic interior is a sure fire way of not only cracking the interior plastics but also marking them!
I'm not too bothered mate, the inside of my car has done 257,000 miles and is less than perfect anyway. The careful use of a flat bladed screwdriver is absolutely fine for a 13 year old Volvo, if it were classic Rolls Royce or Ferrari then perhaps a specialist tool may be useful.

and that from someone who will silver Hamerite an aluminium casting that sits right under the engine/gearbox of the car.

Or; in reference to a basic servicing item - adjusting the handbrake (having had new handbrake shoes fitted 15 months prior), the handbrake clearly hadn't been correctly adjusted "for ages".

Someone tried to assist and advised....


I find the s60 handbrake very good. Probobly worth checking the condition of shoes discs and any adjusters

and got in reply, a curt;


They're nearly new! Had the shoes replaced with the brake pads and discs about 15 months ago and I wouldn't expect parts like that to fail in 15 months.

That depends on the quality of the parts fitted and the correct adjustment of the handbrake. However, the fault was eventually addressed ............with a spanner????.


Many thanks to Mr Peachey for his tip on how to adjust the handbrake. For ages now, the handbrake lever had been in my arm pit at each red light but no more as today I adjusted it using a 10mm spanner.....

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/PIC_0099_zpse44ade71.jpg

Didn't realise how simple this job was and now the handbrake is right where I want it. :D

That looks suspiciously like a 10mm socket......from Aldi per chance?:shockedbi



I got on with 'the other job' whilst I waited a few hours for the paint to dry and then it was time to push in the new bushes. The large bush went in really easily, the small bush was complete ball ache because the one side didn't quite want to push in all the way which meant getting the small end back in to the centre tie bar was nothing short of hard work. This of course was made a lot harder by the Black Series Powerflex compound being so stiff, but in the end I managed without the need to go and buy a G-Clamp or Hydraulic Press (I could of done with one). Incidentally, it helped to put the bolt through and tighten it up to press the bushing in before undoing the bolt again, then using brute force to wiggle it in to the centre tie piece, still, very hard work and a total PITA non the less.


Powerflex offer a "Lifetime Warranty" on all their bushes, they wouldn't offer that if they were prone to failing like a rubber bushing. That's enough for me and says it all!

And to try to bring this back on topic, what is "Lifetime Warranty" anyway? Lifetime of the purchaser? Lifetime of the car? or Lifetime of the part? But wait.....

***STOP PRESS***.......From the Powerflex website FAQ on warranty and specifically "Lifetime Warranty"......."Any parts used for motorsport/competition purposes or part numbers ending ‘BLK’ are excluded from our lifetime warranty."

So that'll be the entire "Black Series" range of bushes not covered then...............:slap:

All that being said and to include some balance in this post and to be fair, James you should be applauded for taking the time for posting information intended to be helpful to those with limited knowledge of repairing these vehicles. The inclusion of quality pictures also must assist those people who may find, what are simple jobs for experienced mechanics, a bit more taxing.Not everyone here has years of experience on the tools.

That being said however, the information should be correct which, in the case of your description of the bush was not. The bush was serviceable although, in your opinion/belief not, and again in your opinion inferior to the Powerflex offering. Both bushes do a similar job, one just does it with less "harshness" through the body of the vehicle. Also the Powerflex Black Series bush you have fitted does not come with their "Lifetime Warranty" if their website information is correct. So, it would appear Powerflex don't offer a lifetime warranty on all their bushes contrary to what you believe and the information you provided. As I said at the top, it's the difference between knowing and believing.

[LeeT5]

No, I think you lack maturity, going off on one with troll-like behaviour on virtually every thread I post. For a man who claims to know so much about these cars, yours seems to spend a lot of time in the Volvo garage which says it all to me - an ego bigger than your knowledge.

Sorry mate, you respond so abruptly to me all the time then my replies will be the same back to you. My attitude will change no more than yours will but just stop hijacking my threads and devaluing the content of my initial post.

Oh really? So, the last time my car was at the garage was when? I'll tell you...It was 5th December 2013 for a Brand New turbo. Now due to my busy shift and hectic life I don't have time to spend 2 solid days fitting a new Turbo, even thou the book time is 4.5hrs, that's rubbish, as we all know book times are a guide and rarely are adhered to, even in a nice clean workshop with all the proper tools it still took Volvo 2 days and I needed my car asap and cannot afford for it to be off the road should anything go wrong. That's why I had the dealer replace it and I was more than happy to pay the £1350 to supply and fit as it was a negotiated price between Lipscomb and MRG. It also saved me a tank of fuel and overnight expenses. Note - it was not broken down and drove to the garage, so you could call it maintenance! Prior to that, my car was last in a garage on 13th September 2013 for a CV boot (no big deal). I noticed grease inside the wheel when washing at the weekend and it was booked in that week in between my shifts. It was in and out in 2 hours total (including chatting and coffee's) and was fixed at a time that was convenient for me, rather than trying to fix it myself and finding time to do it when it's not raining. This would have meant my car being off the road for longer.
Prior to that it was at the Dealer on 30 April 2013 for a routine SUM calibration and headlight adjustment. It's a common thing on R models for the lights to go out of adjustment over time. This is due to the harsher suspension and vibration on the light unit. It only cost me £30 total which I consider money well spent and means that my lights are always pointing where they should. Again, routine maintenance and not due to breakdown.
The last time my car actually broke down was.......NEVER!!

The real reason my car goes to a garage (sometimes, inc the Dealer) is because it saves me money. Lots of money!!!!
Alternator replaced at the dealer for noisy bearing, - Cost £526 and I paid £61! :haha:
Two new front calipers (Slightly binding) + pads replaced at the dealer - cost £968 and I paid £483! :remybussi

So you see James, there is a very good reason why my car goes to a Dealer and local garage for repair/maintenance and not becasue you think I don't know what I'm bloody doing! :finger:


Some people will read Lee's replies and think the same as me, some won't. But I don't like the tone of his replies and that's the end of it. Most people don't reply like that on here so somewhere something has gone wrong and what are we now doing discussing this on a thread about how I polybushed my Torque Mount!

One pedantic comment about what someone thinks is wrong with what I said and it's WW3 on here. What was wrong with Lee just simply coming on and wording things little more diplomatically, something like;

"Nice work, thanks for the useful post and photos" followed by "Sometimes these holes in the rubber bushes are naturally occurring and not necessarily a failure within it, but you can clearly see the difference between Poly bushes and Rubber in terms of integrity"

Does that not basically say the same thing without hacking in to me and behaving like a "Mr Know it all"?

No, because sometimes is incorrect.

I'm not speaking to my Mother or my granny so I don't have to flower it all up! Fact is James, you make a rod for your own back with these threads that you post because you clearly show just how incompetent you are, worse bit is, you don't even realize it! I'm sorry mate but if you read my posts with a 'tone' then it's because your being defensive and are not averse to criticism no matter how poignant it is. I'm not going to let you or anybody else post blatant incorrect facts and not say anything. If you took that stubborn head off of yours and actually opened your eyes and ears then you would see that everyone is trying to help you and advise you, but (as usual) it is you that is not listening. Not once did I personally attack you or beat your thread down, I merely pointed out the fact that on this occasion you were incorrect. I didn't realize that I had to stroke your head and tell you "don't worry, you'll be ok". I ain't pussy footing around, so deal with it.

[graemewelch]

youve hit the nail on the head there lee

[T5RatherAmusin]

can we all just give the ££££ over now. your all a bunch of cocks!

[LeeT5]

can we all just give the ££££ over now. your all a bunch of cocks!

Come again? What does that mean?

[Gold 'N' Brown]

can we all just give the ££££ over now. your all a bunch of cocks!

I think you meant "you're" :spam1::hidesbehi:P

[M-R-P]

can we all just give the ££££ over now. your all a bunch of cocks!

now put the socks down...

(reference to a recent facebook horror)


This is all getting a bit bloody deep now, must be the weather.

Behave yourselves children or I'll take your toys away :shifty:

[Gold 'N' Brown]

It's that time of the month again. Except where most women get it once per month, VPCUK gets it at least twice a month if not more.

[T5RatherAmusin]

i didnt comment to argue with anyone by refering to you lot as cocks -probably not the word i shoulda used lol
i commented to put an end to it :bud:
the little time i come on here most of its full of bull££££ like this

[LeeT5]

i didnt comment to argue with anyone by refering to you lot as cocks -probably not the word i shoulda used lol
i commented to put an end to it :bud:
the little time i come on here most of its full of bull££££ like this

Absolutely the word!!! Made me laugh :D

Joking aside, I think I've made my point very clear. I'm done with this thread now. James........hit me with it baby!!!! I'm ready for it.

[laughjimbo]

what a failed poly bush looks like.
beit not a powerflex...
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These were PPS and total crap in my opinion, these were only on the car for a very short time, less than 1000 miles I think.

[T5RatherAmusin]

ye i made an arm with these in and i didnt like how they felt so they never went on my car lol
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[laughjimbo]

The rear bushes totally fell apart and the front bushes were a bit better but started to wear also. I had a garage replace the rear bushes in the arms for me with normal rubber ones but they fitted them upside down so the rear bushes actually worked their way out of the arms.

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I made it clear what way round they should be, only to be told, we've done loads of these mate, we know what we are doing!!

I did them myself this time, just replace the whole arms with Meyle HD items. Feels loads better now.

[T5RatherAmusin]

ahahahaha!
im using a std one in the front and poly in the rear one. feels real nice! will get the new powerflex front one when the time comes...

[laughjimbo]

I know laughable isn't it. I don't trust garages often. I am going to see how these meyle arms go.

[graemewelch]

thats terrible that. i hate using garages to do jobs on my car and silly thing like this are why

[laughjimbo]

I know Graeme, I normally do everything myself but I know this guy pretty well and he always seems to be a good mechanic but I have had a big falling out with him over this and I got my money back for the parts they replaced and the labour. I only got someone else to do it because at the time I was really busy with work. They also did other work which was crap on my other cars. I got all my money back in the end and did the work myself.

[stephenevans99]

ye i made an arm with these in and i didnt like how they felt so they never went on my car lol
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lol....we're these the new polybushed ones you offered me last May? :uglyhamme

[T5RatherAmusin]

lol....we're these the new polybushed ones you offered me last May? :uglyhamme

:santawave
cant remember tbh lol

[pillapow]

I too have powerflexed the lower torque rod, (only the small bushing) in a genuine Volvo mount, the large bush is still Volvo Rubber (for now) - Also have a yellow powerflex upper bulkhead mount awaiting delivery. Looking forward to the solidity and vibrations as apposed to the banging and clanging during gear changes!

[M-R-P]

I too have powerflexed the lower torque rod, (only the small bushing) in a genuine Volvo mount, the large bush is still Volvo Rubber (for now) - Also have a yellow powerflex upper bulkhead mount awaiting delivery. Looking forward to the solidity and vibrations as apposed to the banging and clanging during gear changes!

If the vibration at idle is too bad with the poly top mount, fit the powerflex strut brace tensioners, it changes the resonance of the bar and eliminates a lot of the vibration.
Probably the only thing those tensioners are good for lol.

[pillapow]

Yes MRP, I will look into those mounts as my brace bar has excessive play IMO, as does the upper bulkhead mount, the cross rubber mount is still intact but the play is too much, I video'd it whilst releasing the clutch in 1st gear and reverse, play was a lot more than i imagined.


http://youtu.be/fSxc3iUupZ8

[JamesT5]

Yes MRP, I will look into those mounts as my brace bar has excessive play IMO, as does the upper bulkhead mount, the cross rubber mount is still intact but the play is too much, I video'd it whilst releasing the clutch in 1st gear and reverse, play was a lot more than i imagined.


http://youtu.be/fSxc3iUupZ8

The bar will rock back and forward on standard bushes, fitting the strut brace tension bushes reduces it by around 70 or 80% I reckon. :B_thumb:

[M-R-P]

Believe it or not, that's normal for that type of bush. It's a "floating" bush and is supposed to flap about a bit.

The bar is also supposed to be floppy lol. The tensioners take most of that out tho.

[graemewelch]

Try just fitting the bushes in the mounts first. Thats all ive done. Stiffens things up nicley with out viabration. Gear changes are so much better now

[JamesT5]

Believe it or not, that's normal for that type of bush. It's a "floating" bush and is supposed to flap about a bit.

The bar is also supposed to be floppy lol. The tensioners take most of that out tho.

Makes you wonder why on earth they bother having a bush that, seems a little odd doesn't it.

[pillapow]

There is at least an inch of "rock" and considering my lower torque mount is solid, im still getting the movement through the gearstick, waiting for postman pat to deliver the powerflex but i think Mrs goggins has hold of him atm.

[M-R-P]

Makes you wonder why on earth they bother having a bush that, seems a little odd doesn't it.

It takes the vibration out of the cabin James, as you well know lol

[JamesT5]

It takes the vibration out of the cabin James, as you well know lol

I like the vibrations as you know. Good job Powerflex came up with the solution to my desires..... :D

[LeeT5]

I like the vibrations as you know. Good job Powerflex came up with the solution to my desires..... :D

What? So you desired a 'vibrating dash'? :cuckoo:

Surely, what you really mean is..."I'll put up with the vibrating dash because the Black series bushes have improved things, thou wouldn't it be great if the car handled great and yet retained an air of comfort inside, without all the vibration and associated noise!"

[p fandango]

What? So you desired a 'vibrating dash'? :cuckoo:

Surely, what you really mean is..."I'll put up with the vibrating dash because the Black series bushes have improved things, thou wouldn't it be great if the car handled great and yet retained an air of comfort inside, without all the vibration and associated noise!"
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/beachfinder/YawningSmiley.gif

[M-R-P]

Having actually driven James' car, I can put a second opinion on the black engine mounts. At idle, it vibrates - a bit more than mine did before I fitted the strut brace tensioners. I don't like it but James is happy to put up with it because (and I can vouch for this) it goes away once your moving and isn't any worse than any P2 T5 with a normal poly top mount and normal poly lower mount.

Let's get some perspective here peeps - it's not like he's binned his mounts and fitted lumps of pig iron, BLACK SERIES AINT THAT HARD. A large number of us have powerflex products dotted around our cars, one thing that bothers me is the stupid colours visible in an engine bay that I've tried so hard to keep within a black and white theme. James' car has no stupidly coloured bushes visible, keeping it nice and OE looking.

[stribo]

What? So you desired a 'vibrating dash'? :cuckoo:

Surely, what you really mean is..."I'll put up with the vibrating dash because the Black series bushes have improved things, thou wouldn't it be great if the car handled great and yet retained an air of comfort inside, without all the vibration and associated noise!"
Ours does. :D

[graemewelch]

Not a chance i could live with a car that has a viabration rattle and any noise that aint there. If i eve think i hear a odd noise i go looking for faults.

[V70 Graham]

Ours does. :D

It's just those coilovers that shake you to bits !

[graemewelch]

A large number of us have powerflex products dotted around our cars, one thing that bothers me is the stupid colours visible in an engine bay that I've tried so hard to keep within a black and white theme. James' car has no stupidly coloured bushes visible, keeping it nice and OE looking.[/QUOTE]

Im with you on this one. I hate stupid coloured bushed. Like me engine bay looking as oe as possible. Thats why i dislike shinney crap so much

[stribo]

It's just those coilovers that shake you to bits !

I was talking about the R, and in that we can choose whether we want to get shaken to bits or not.:D

[LeeT5]

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/beachfinder/YawningSmiley.gif

If your tired you should get some sleep.


Having actually driven James' car, I can put a second opinion on the black engine mounts. At idle, it vibrates - a bit more than mine did before I fitted the strut brace tensioners. I don't like it but James is happy to put up with it because (and I can vouch for this) it goes away once your moving and isn't any worse than any P2 T5 with a normal poly top mount and normal poly lower mount.

Let's get some perspective here peeps - it's not like he's binned his mounts and fitted lumps of pig iron, BLACK SERIES AINT THAT HARD. A large number of us have powerflex products dotted around our cars, one thing that bothers me is the stupid colors visible in an engine bay that I've tried so hard to keep within a black and white theme. James' car has no stupidly coloured bushes visible, keeping it nice and OE looking.

Well thanks for clearing that up for us Martin. I feel your exaggerating slightly about the colour of the bushes thou. The only 'stupidly coloured bushes' that you refer to are Yellow and purple. I know you can get other coloured bushes, mainly blue (IPD/ELEVATE) but I'm referring to Powerflex. One large yellow bush for the top mount is really the only bush on show. The other rear top mount bush is hidden under the baulk head so that is irrelevant. As for the tiny purple strut brace tensioner bushes, well they're hardly 'in your face' are they!? Besides, you can ditch the SBTB's all together and just fit IPD brackets, which they also do in plain silver metal colour too. That is better and means the strut brace really does become a strut brace rather than an engine support (which is what it really is with bushes fitted).

My engine covers, being blue, means that anything else coloured or even blue means that they are not that out of place.

[T5RatherAmusin]

mart- you could always spray the bushes with plastidip lol
i know what you mean tho
purple bushes look kinda odd even the yellow ones tbh...

[M-R-P]

mart- you could always spray the bushes with plastidip lol
i know what you mean tho
purple bushes look kinda odd even the yellow ones tbh...

Well, I've still not painted the pink catch can yet either so it's all going to rat 5h!t in there any way lol.

[p fandango]

If your tired you should get some sleep.
after reading what should of been a nice simple thread, which has gone round & round in circles for 4 pages it did help me sleep surprisingly well thanks

[pillapow]

I fitted a yellow powerflex top mount, cross type, and the vibration is not as bad as thought, i had one in a P1 V70, the round type and that was bad, but the square powerflex yellow one is very good. Hardly noticable.

[V70-R-T5]

after reading what should of been a nice simple thread, which has gone round & round in circles for 4 pages it did help me sleep surprisingly well thanks

Yep, should have been a nice simple thread.

Unfortunately it contained inaccuracies and information that had the potential to caused those less informed needless work and unneccessary expense.

Back to sleep old fruit. (The Horlicks is in the top left cupboard.) BTW, are you any relation to ....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqqZ28m8uCo


Have a good weekend all.