Simota Carbon Air Filter

[JamesT5]

This arrived from PFV today, it was waiting for me when I got home. :D

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011558_zps2d3d437f.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011558_zps2d3d437f.jpg.html)

But here's my issue.... How the hell does this connect to my original air feed as it states in the product description? I ask because my original air feed pipe is this flimsy OE plastic pipe that slots in to the air box which the instructions tell me remove. On top of that original air feed pipe is square, yet all the pipes supplied (they're all present and correct according to the inventory) are round. If it doesn't take a cold feed from the pipe that runs from the top of the grill, where the hec does the filter get it's feed from?

:wtf:

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011559_zps8a643f63.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011559_zps8a643f63.jpg.html)

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011560_zps6b46c0b5.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011560_zps6b46c0b5.jpg.html)

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1011561_zpsdc063d6f.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1011561_zpsdc063d6f.jpg.html)

Am I missing some obvious here or what? I look forward to fitting this on Thursday and giving the car a wirl!

[T5frankie]

are you aware of the amount of air that runs through your engine when moving forward?

[JamesT5]

I note instruction 4 says to use the coupler to connect the aluminium pipe to the stock in take pipe, but that's the issue, my stock intake pipe is square. I just wonder if the stock intake pipe needs to be round and I have the wrong kit? It did say this kit is for all P2 Turbo Petrol models.... :parhmph: :confused:

[claymore]

I wouldn't have thought it that critical, I imagine the original plastic cold air feed would deform to fit over the alloy pipe, but I don't know without looking at mine, and I'm not going out on the dark to have a look.

[JamesT5]

I wouldn't have thought it that critical, I imagine the original plastic cold air feed would deform to fit over the alloy pipe, but I don't know without looking at mine, and I'm not going out on the dark to have a look.

There's 2 rubber hose ends as you can see, in an ideal world one would fit over the end of a round intake pipe on the one end and the aluminium pipe at the other. The only thing I can think is that the rubber bit will stretch over the square plastic but then then I'm loosing air pressure which seems odd.

[stribo]

Oh ffs, it's V70Graham all over again. :lol:

[JamesT5]

Oh ffs, it's V70Graham all over again. :lol:

:D Did Graham have this problem then?

[claymore]

You are not getting any air pressure,it's just a cold air feed the engine will suck in much more than you could ever force into it even if you were driving at 150mph.

[stribo]

:D Did Graham have this problem then?

What? of buying mods he has no idea how to fit, I say yes.

[stribo]

Could you show us the complete installation picture bigger?

[JamesT5]

What? of buying mods he has no idea how to fit, I say yes.

No, you see I do have an idea how to fit them but the problem is just simply that they don't actually fit.... :D

[stribo]

O.K., been on their site, and found your problem, which was given away by the instructions you received, but wanted to double check. You've bought a kit for the 2.0T, not a T5, the 2.0T has a round inlet unlike your T5. Doesn't look like they make one for your car.

[Harvey]

O.K., been on their site, and found your problem, which was given away by the instructions you received, but wanted to double check. You've bought a kit for the 2.0T, not a T5, the 2.0T has a round inlet unlike your T5. Doesn't look like they make one for your car.

Must say kit looks nice but as above it says it's for a 2.0 Turbo car is there that much diffrance to the. T5 cars ?.

[stribo]

Must say kit looks nice but as above it says it's for a 2.0 Turbo car is there that much diffrance to the. T5 cars ?.

Only in the shape of the air feed hose.

[graemewelch]

Send it back james and just get a uprated filter for your airbox. I dont see any benifits to this style of filter. Better off getingyour wheels refurbed if you ask me

[Harvey]

Only in the shape of the air feed hose.

You mean the maf to turbo hose,is the pcv hose set up the same near the turbo ?.

[M-R-P]

Bring it with you on saturday James, I'll make it fit ;)

[JamesT5]

Bring it with you on saturday James, I'll make it fit ;)

Thank you Martin, a man of optimism and practical solutions as always. I'm so tempted to have a go on Thursday first, if not then Saturday could turn in to a miniature fix day.... :smileypul :P :redface:

[JamesT5]

I'll e-mail Jamie at PFV, he'll give me the straight answer as to whether I've got the kit I need or not and if there is a problem he will sort it out for me. I can't fault PFV for their great customer service and after sales support!

[JamesT5]

For reference, this is the listing and product description on the PFV website, this is the listing I used to buy the product from and it does say V70 turbo series up to 2004 (expect for the 'R')....

http://www.partsforvolvosonline.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_178_928&products_id=5719

[JamesT5]

Send it back james and just get a uprated filter for your airbox. I dont see any benifits to this style of filter. Better off getingyour wheels refurbed if you ask me

I don't think so, sorry, but no.

[JamesT5]

O.K., been on their site, and found your problem, which was given away by the instructions you received, but wanted to double check. You've bought a kit for the 2.0T, not a T5, the 2.0T has a round inlet unlike your T5. Doesn't look like they make one for your car.

I've asked the man in the know at PFV. :D

[partsforvolvos.com]

I've asked the man in the know at PFV. :D

I have checked this for you and here is a colour picture of it installed :
http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u625/PFV_JAMIE/1Untitled_zpsf3f7fdd2.jpg (http://s1325.photobucket.com/user/PFV_JAMIE/media/1Untitled_zpsf3f7fdd2.jpg.html)

Steve is correct in what he says Simota only list it for a 2.0T , but I reackon this is only because this is the engine type they test fitted it on.
I checked on vida, and the cold air feed intake pipe in question number 7 is the same on all petrol turbo models 00-04 .
http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u625/PFV_JAMIE/12Untitled_zps1d410f7f.jpg (http://s1325.photobucket.com/user/PFV_JAMIE/media/12Untitled_zps1d410f7f.jpg.html)
Given this, I think it must be possible to stretch the joining hose onto the squared off connection. if I remember rightly, it is 'squared off', as opposed to having direct 90' angles in the corners?
it was my first thought as well it might be different on a 2.0T, but after checking it on vida and knowing that we have always listed it this way for all petrol turbo models, it can be persuaded to fit.

[M-R-P]

I have a spare inlet pipe in my office and some 3" alloy pipe in the car... I'll have a play at lunchtime :)

[V70 Graham]

.....it can be persuaded to fit.

Is that the technical term lol

[partsforvolvos.com]

will that involve a hammer or vice to square it off? lol
go martin !

[M-R-P]

will that involve a hammer or vice to square it off? lol
go martin !

Hot air gun mate :)

[partsforvolvos.com]

if anybody can fit a square peg in a round hole u can. look forward to seeing this kit being fitted.

incidentally , look what I found yesterday :
http://www.partsforvolvosonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=8432
nice?

[M-R-P]

if anybody can fit a square peg in a round hole u can. look forward to seeing this kit being fitted.

incidentally , look what I found yesterday :
http://www.partsforvolvosonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=8432
nice?

"Ram air effect" ? wtf? it's pointing at the back of the headlight lol.

[partsforvolvos.com]

its shielded from engine heat isn't it ?...................

[M-R-P]

its shielded from engine heat isn't it ?...................

It's just gonna pull hot air in from the bay tho. The only these things are really effective is if they're completely sealed and draw the air directly from the front of the car.

Looks pretty but a white elephant at best lol.

[Harvey]

"Ram air effect" ? wtf? it's pointing at the back of the headlight lol.

Best get one of these if you have a "R" Front end.

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r499/harveysr/IMG00345-20120509-0701.jpg

[claymore]

Best get one of these if you have a "R" Front end.

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r499/harveysr/IMG00345-20120509-0701.jpg

Or something like this:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/T10%20Projects/20140307_182010.jpg (http://s170.photobucket.com/user/claymore2k/media/T10%20Projects/20140307_182010.jpg.html)

[Harvey]

Or something like this:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/T10%20Projects/20140307_182010.jpg (http://s170.photobucket.com/user/claymore2k/media/T10%20Projects/20140307_182010.jpg.html)

Mine is a little bit more covert

[Redbrick]

I have checked this for you and here is a colour picture of it installed :
http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u625/PFV_JAMIE/1Untitled_zpsf3f7fdd2.jpg (http://s1325.photobucket.com/user/PFV_JAMIE/media/1Untitled_zpsf3f7fdd2.jpg.html)


Can't see any way that can be any better than a standard airbox given the tortuous routing of the pipe work!

[p fandango]

Can't see any way that can be any better than a standard airbox given the tortuous routing of the pipe work!
that U-bend isn't doing the airflow much good at all

[JamesT5]

I have checked this for you and here is a colour picture of it installed :
http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u625/PFV_JAMIE/1Untitled_zpsf3f7fdd2.jpg (http://s1325.photobucket.com/user/PFV_JAMIE/media/1Untitled_zpsf3f7fdd2.jpg.html)

Steve is correct in what he says Simota only list it for a 2.0T , but I reackon this is only because this is the engine type they test fitted it on.
I checked on vida, and the cold air feed intake pipe in question number 7 is the same on all petrol turbo models 00-04 .
http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u625/PFV_JAMIE/12Untitled_zps1d410f7f.jpg (http://s1325.photobucket.com/user/PFV_JAMIE/media/12Untitled_zps1d410f7f.jpg.html)
Given this, I think it must be possible to stretch the joining hose onto the squared off connection. if I remember rightly, it is 'squared off', as opposed to having direct 90' angles in the corners?
it was my first thought as well it might be different on a 2.0T, but after checking it on vida and knowing that we have always listed it this way for all petrol turbo models, it can be persuaded to fit.

Thanks Jamie, in that case I'll be having a great bit of fun with the T5 this weekend fitting this Air Intake system on (my first proper 'mod') and then a trip to spend the afternoon with MRP on Saturday doing the wishbones (thank you a million Martin for your help!). :B_thumb:

[Volvostorm]

Or something like this:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/T10%20Projects/20140307_182010.jpg (http://s170.photobucket.com/user/claymore2k/media/T10%20Projects/20140307_182010.jpg.html)

Or like this!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/paulxr4x4/20120707_145006.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/paulxr4x4/media/20120707_145006.jpg.html)

[graemewelch]

or like this.

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/gwexhausts/20131106_143413_zpsc0027dfa.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/gwexhausts/media/20131106_143413_zpsc0027dfa.jpg.html)

[JamesT5]

or like this.

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/gwexhausts/20131106_143413_zpsc0027dfa.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/gwexhausts/media/20131106_143413_zpsc0027dfa.jpg.html)

I thought you didn't see the benefit to these types of filters.....

[stribo]

I thought you didn't see the benefit to these types of filters.....

He didn't want me to have it, so bought it out of spite. :lol:

[graemewelch]

I thought you didn't see the benefit to these types of filters.....

theres a huge difference between the elervate intake system and what your fitting james. for starters it needs to be bodged to fit and the route is terrible it will make air flow terrible. if you ever remove the intake pipe you realise wear the restriction is. the intake pipe gose down to around 1.5" near the turbo which is just stupid in my opinion.

[JamesT5]

theres a huge difference between the elervate intake system and what your fitting james. for starters it needs to be bodged to fit and the route is terrible it will make air flow terrible. if you ever remove the intake pipe you realise wear the restriction is. the intake pipe gose down to around 1.5" near the turbo which is just stupid in my opinion.

I don't agree with your comments at all. I happen to know a number of other members on here running exceptionally good performance figures using this Simota system. This system had been engineered and I'm sure PFV don't just stock any old crap that would make performance worse, nor make any false claims about the potential for increased power and performance. As Jamie has pointed out, the system won't be 'bodged' together, it just needs a little work and is superior to the set up I have now which in turn was superior to the original factory OE filter system.

[Harvey]

He didn't want me to have it, so bought it out of spite. :lol:

I didnt want it as it was fitted to mine before as well.

[graemewelch]

I didnt want it as it was fitted to mine before as well.

you missed out on a cracking bit of kit. sounds great and looks great.

[stribo]

you missed out on a cracking bit of kit. sounds great and looks great.

Didn't help your power figures on the rolling road. :P

[graemewelch]

Didn't help your power figures on the rolling road. :P

ive got rica to thank for that. What did yours get again

[stribo]

ive got rica to thank for that. What did yours get again

317.1, which I believe is more than you got. Just pulling your leg anyway mate, I'm sure it will be sorted with a different map.

[partsforvolvos.com]

this simota kit is very similar to the bma 'cda' closed filter system that quite a lot of people in Sweden use. but the bma kit doesn't use a pipe to connect to the original cold air feed. you dost get a flexi section to duct the intake from.

the only way I think the pipework could have been shortened with the simota kit is if they took the intake feed from the side of the round housing instead of the end, and then it could have fitted to the original intake with a much shorter route. other than that, there is not the room to do anything else if you want a closed system.

[graemewelch]

317.1, which I believe is more than you got. Just pulling your leg anyway mate, I'm sure it will be sorted with a different map.

i know mate. i was hoping o would of had my old map back on by now but just not enough time. ive got 9 spare days befor im out of action and swapping maps is right at the bottom of my list.

[graemewelch]

here the pics to show the point i was trying to make last night. event he best airfilter is going to be usless with a intake pipe that reduced down to under 50mm. just think of it as a drink am mc donalds. you put a kink in the straw and what happens? youve got to work harder to suck it up. your turbo is exactly the same.

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/gwexhausts/20140313_114446_zpsxyqzdro3.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/gwexhausts/media/20140313_114446_zpsxyqzdro3.jpg.html)
http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/gwexhausts/20140313_114457_zpskepmgdlj.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/gwexhausts/media/20140313_114457_zpskepmgdlj.jpg.html)
http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/gwexhausts/20140313_114556_zpskr8oralv.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/gwexhausts/media/20140313_114556_zpskr8oralv.jpg.html)

an heres what i think is a much better route for the airfilfter

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/gwexhausts/IMG-20140310-WA0004_zps8qofx8wf.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/gwexhausts/media/IMG-20140310-WA0004_zps8qofx8wf.jpg.html)
http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/gwexhausts/IMG-20140310-WA0027_zpsvgohpguw.jpg (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/gwexhausts/media/IMG-20140310-WA0027_zpsvgohpguw.jpg.html)

[Wobbly Dave]

For what it is worth here's my 10p opinion.

I agree with graeme to an extent - however it does depend on the turbo & the map and subsequently the amount of air - cubic feet per minute that you are trying to draw.

You'd have to look at the flow map for the particular turbo in question to work that out. Luckily as we are mostly at sea level the pressure ratio will be unaltered.

24043

GIYF but there are some articles I've read before to help understand this nonsense

From Garrett...
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/compressor_maps

Once you've worked out how fast the air is going at maximum flat out suction - you'll need to know that above .4 mach air become turbulent & less efficiently flowed.

I've also looked into that in some depth too.

According to what I've read .4 mach is the speed at which air becomes turbulent & does not flow as well.

2" piping
1.57 x 2 = 3.14 sq in
300 cfm = 156 mph = 0.20 mach
400 cfm = 208 mph = 0.27 mach
500 cfm = 261 mph = 0.34 mach
585 cfm max = 304 mph = 0.40 mach

2.25" piping
3.9740625 sq in = 1.98703125 x 2
300 cfm = 123 mph = 0.16 mach
400 cfm = 164 mph = 0.21 mach
500 cfm = 205 mph = 0.26 mach
600 cfm = 247 mph = 0.32 mach
700 cfm = 288 mph = 0.37 mach
740 cfm max = 304 mph = 0.40 mach

2.5" piping
4.90625 sq in = 2.453125 x 2
300 cfm = 100 mph = 0.13 mach
400 cfm = 133 mph = 0.17 mach
500 cfm = 166 mph = 0.21 mach
600 cfm = 200 mph = 0.26 mach
700 cfm = 233 mph = 0.30 mach
800 cfm = 266 mph = 0.34 mach
900 cfm = 300 mph = 0.39 mach
913 cfm max = 304 mph = 0.40 mach

Having the least number of bends is also more efficient - but I really don't see that the 16T is going to move enough air for the 50mm to be an issue.
I think there will be other more pressing bottlenecks to overcome before this is an issue.

[960kg]

The simple thing is no matter what size feed pipe you have or what filter you have everything is governed eventually by the size of the MAF for calculating the air mass and also the CFM size of the turbo.

Standard modified Airbox and filter are ok to about 400bhp so where does an aftermarket get you?........just an emptier wallet and noise!!.........Oh! and effort for nothing

Now when talking N/A motors that is completely different and all the homework and effort that goes into induction routes from the front of the motor come into there own to keep the airflow up for performance a turbo engine will just purely rely on the suction of the turbo and grab what it can to cram in and will overcome any difficult obstructions the main hinderance being hot air which all these non enclosed type of filters give successfully........one main reason the standard air box is so good, as it`s all enclosed.

[Harvey]

you missed out on a cracking bit of kit. sounds great and looks great.

But you can't see it with the bonnet shut & it doesn't make any real difference and the seal to the bonnet is poor so it sucks in hot air from the engine bay.
The best thing is to renew the stock air filter more often ,and there is no problem with putting oil on the filter that can get onto the MAF sensor.

[Harvey]

Or like this!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/paulxr4x4/20120707_145006.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/paulxr4x4/media/20120707_145006.jpg.html)

Did you ever get round to cutting the pipe to size ?.

[Volvostorm]

Yeah, its been done now :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/paulxr4x4/RGM_2716_zps6e7394d6.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/paulxr4x4/media/RGM_2716_zps6e7394d6.jpg.html)