P2 dmf and clutch query.

[Kingsford G]

As far as I know DMF and clutches are not cheap on P2 2.4t5 so the query is what power/torque is the standard one good for and has anyone done a SF convertion or is it not a good idea?

[graemewelch]

they definintly arnt cheap. a standard clutch and dmf should handle 340 bhp no probs. but ifs it coming to the end of its lift then its not going to last long and will probobly start slipping. id never fit a smf. transmission rattle is terrible and it puts extra strain on your engine gearbox and shafts.

[claymore]

Why would a smf put strain on your engine and box, the 850's and P1's manage ok with them.

[JUDGENINJA]

Plus isn't it a recommended change when you go for higher HP??

[Kingsford G]

Why would a smf put strain on your engine and box, the 850's and P1's manage ok with them.


Plus isn't it a recommended change when you go for higher HP??

Good point.

[850 T5s]

you can get quite a few kits now that change flywheels back to solid , ive done few now,(but not on Volvos)

[dant5r]

You can't buy a smf clutch for a p2

[claymore]

You can't buy a smf clutch for a p2

So Use P1 parts. I have a P2 engine in my 850 with an 850r clutch in it.

[T5frankie]

are you keeping this one then?

[dant5r]

850 & P1 friction plate is different to a P2 friction plate

[claymore]

850 & P1 friction plate is different to a P2 friction plate

You can't tell me that there is no way to mix and match, worst scenario is you would have to get a custom friction plate which would still be a lot cheaper than a new dmf

kit.

Edit: it would seem that pre 2003 P2's use the same number of splines as the 850r

[graemewelch]

the dmf absorbs the torque. its a personal choice but id never have a smf. ive drove cars that have had a smf fitted and they arnt nice. why take a nice refined car and make it harsh and rough with a smf. its a step backwards in my eyes. but thats my opinion. matt on here fitted a dmf to his t5 and hated it. most decent tuners also dont recomend them

[claymore]

having driven many dmf and smf cars I can honestly say that i have noticed no difference at all, and when I changed my Mondeo from dmf to smf I saw no difference in the way the car drove at all.

[Kingsford G]

are you keeping this one then?

If I find the same car with less miles I`ll go for it but V70 2.4t5 is what I want.

[claymore]

1 Flywheel:............ Part number........ 9454774
1 Clutch Kit:...........Part number......... 272218
1 Slave Cyl:............Part number........ 31259445
10 Flywheel Bolts:.....Part number......... 9454743

[M-R-P]

There's a smf available for the P2. I only went with another dmf as I found a new LUK one for 379 quid.

[JamesT5]

As far as I know DMF and clutches are not cheap on P2 2.4t5 so the query is what power/torque is the standard one good for and has anyone done a SF convertion or is it not a good idea?

Gentle reminder, I have a P2 DMF and a used but very good condition and serviceable life clutch if you need one.

[Kingsford G]

1 Flywheel:............ Part number........ 9454774
1 Clutch Kit:...........Part number......... 272218
1 Slave Cyl:............Part number........ 31259445
10 Flywheel Bolts:.....Part number......... 9454743
What part numbers are they,luk,sachs etc.?

[claymore]

What part numbers are they,luk,sachs etc.?
Don't know mate, I just cut and pasted it off volvo speed.

[Kingsford G]

Gentle reminder, I have a P2 DMF and a used but very good condition and serviceable life clutch if you need one.

The clutch is no good fo 6speed g/box as far as I know,I believe it is more than 20teeth not sure about the DMF tho,what make and part number is it James?Not that I need one now but just in case.

[expolicev70t5]

You can't buy a smf clutch for a p2

Kalmar union do upgraded clutch and single mass fly wheel

[M-R-P]

The clutch is no good fo 6speed g/box as far as I know,I believe it is more than 20teeth not sure about the DMF tho,what make and part number is it James?Not that I need one now but just in case.

it's 23 teeth mate, all post 2003 models have them.

[graemewelch]

tim willams advised me not to mix and match clutches with dmfs. best buying the right part for the car not the one that will fit but might not be the same

[JamesT5]

The DMF is my old one which seems solid to me, the part number is 9480480

[Kingsford G]

tim willams advised me not to mix and match clutches with dmfs. best buying the right part for the car not the one that will fit but might not be the same

I better keep my car stock 400bhp then:smile:

[Wobbly Dave]

Just my 10p worth. I looked at replacing my DMF with the kalmar Union/TTV SMF replacement. Thing is, my sachs motorsport clutch friction plate is also solid, so I was advised that having no springs in either would be a bad idea. I could have gone looking for a clutch with springs in it - but it was gonna be too expensive. DMF is fine so long as it isnt too old, but basically you have to have some damping somewhere or the vibration caused by the individual power strokes with shake your driveline to pieces.

[Kingsford G]

If I ever have to replace one I think I`ll fit an R set up or dmf and clutch.

[stribo]

When he who must not be named broke his flash green S60R it had a DMF that was pretty goosed (though he may have sold it ;) ) and a friction plate with springs in it as well.

[Wobbly Dave]

I even went as far as buying the SMF replacement & then sending it back when I realised my mistake,

[JamesT5]

I've got to change the DMF currently fitted to my T5 as soon as I can because it's rattling.

[stribo]

I've got to change the DMF currently fitted to my T5 as soon as I can because it's rattling.

I don't want to put the boot in James, but weren't you told to do that when the gearbox went west. I've seen D5 one's on ebay for £320ish not sure how that compares with a T5 one, or whether it would fit.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-S60-2-4-D5-Dual-Mass-Flywheel-LUK-07-01-/230709561806?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35b75c89ce

[JamesT5]

I don't want to put the boot in James, but weren't you told to do that when the gearbox went west. I've seen D5 one's on ebay for £320ish not sure how that compares with a T5 one, or whether it would fit.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-S60-2-4-D5-Dual-Mass-Flywheel-LUK-07-01-/230709561806?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35b75c89ce

Yes this was mentioned by someone else on an earlier thread but as I've pointed out already, the risk of my front drive train locking up and the urgent need to get a replacement gearbox in took priority and if I hadn't have done the gearbox change when I did, I'd still be driving around (in theory) with a dodgy gearbox. There was no money in the kitty at the time for a new DMF but the risk of the box blowing was far more of an issue. I had to take the risk and sort out the DMF later.

I'm looking at about a £700 - £800 bill to change the DMF including the part, plus I'll probably get the clutch changed again. At the moment I can feel a juddering and pulsing coming through the clutch pedal and up the steering column at low rpm when the engine is under load.

It's not that I ignored the advice given as such, but I had little choice at the time.

[JamesT5]

What it all boils down to is money, and the irony is that those with less tend to pay more for stuff in the long run. For example, a person who needs a new fridge but can't afford one outright buys it on credit and pays the interest on top of the cost of the goods. They end up paying considerably more than if they'd just gone in, purchased the fridge and be done with it. But they have little choice but to pay more in the long run and this is often my issue.

Any person would agree paying through the nose makes no financial sense but so often in the case that some people have no choice.

[850 T5s]

What it all boils down to is money, and the irony is that those with less tend to pay more for stuff in the long run. For example, a person who needs a new fridge but can't afford one outright buys it on credit and pays the interest on top of the cost of the goods. They end up paying considerably more than if they'd just gone in, purchased the fridge and be done with it. But they have little choice but to pay more in the long run and this is often my issue.

Any person would agree paying through the nose makes no financial sense but so often in the case that some people have no choice.

your dead right james, clutches can be very expensive to relace theses days, not like the good old days when you could get a clutch kit for a mk2 escort for £30 and fit it in half an hour

[T5frankie]

a clutch and dmf change can often mean breaking the car as it wont be worth it especially on a high miler

[JamesT5]

a clutch and dmf change can often mean breaking the car as it wont be worth it especially on a high miler

I disagree, a clutch and DMF is effectively a service item because it's a 'wear and tear' issue, the same as brake pads and discs, suspension and the cam belt.

[claymore]

I disagree, a clutch and DMF is effectively a service item because it's a 'wear and tear' issue, the same as brake pads and discs, suspension and the cam belt.

James you're not understanding Frankie, any replacement part that costs more than the cars value, means it's better to break or scrap the car, unless it's for improving performance.

[JamesT5]

James you're not understanding Frankie, any replacement part that costs more than the cars value, means it's better to break or scrap the car, unless it's for improving performance.

There are quite a few people who would disagree with that, I'll mention no names but there are members here with high mileage cars who have changed failing parts costing £100's of pounds and saved their car from the scrappy. You know who these people are, and are you telling me that people driving around in some even older models here will scrap their cars next time it needs a new clutch? Sorry, but I doubt it very much.

[claymore]

If it's a desirable model like an 850R, T-5R, S/V 70R, but if it's just a T5, they aren't worth saving, better just start again with something better (Unless you're modding it) James, I don't want to sound like a brocken record, but you have spent thousands keeping a £900 car on the road, I could have bought 3 or 4 V70s for what you have spent on yours, the minute my S60 looks like it has any issue, I will be moving it on and getting something else. (it doesn't help that I feel the P2 is a soulless car with no character)

[JamesT5]

Change it how and with what? A zero bank balance and a car in pieces won't get me to work. Bottom line.

[stribo]

Change it how and with what? A zero bank balance and a car in pieces won't get me to work. Bottom line.

Neither will a car with a failed DMF.

[LeeT5]

What part numbers are they,luk,sachs etc.?

They are all Volvo part numbers and Volvo only supply and fit SACHS clutch kits and DMF's.
Also, there are only two suppliers of clutchs and DMF's and they are LuK and SACH.
So that should answer your question mate :)

[merc85]

Tbf i think your car looks cracking James, and if thats the car you like, why not spend the money on it. I can understand colins view to a point , the only way id ever change my car (basic t5) is if i broke it as its worth more in parts than as a whole.

[LeeT5]

For the record my clutch, DMF and slave was £1400 fitted. Expect to pay alot less for the same on a P2 T5.
By the way, if you want durablilty and longevity its worth considering a clutch kit for a D5, they will fit a T5.

[graemewelch]

For the record my clutch, DMF and slave was £1400 fitted. Expect to pay alot less for the same on a P2 T5.
By the way, if you want durablilty and longevity its worth considering a clutch kit for a D5, they will fit a T5.

i got a bargin. R clutch and dmf for 250. only covered a few thousand miles when i bought it.

[Kingsford G]

i got a bargin. R clutch and dmf for 250. only covered a few thousand miles when i bought it.

Is that u frankie using Graems account?

[graemewelch]

Is that u frankie using Graems account?

haha. i couldnt turn it down at the price i got offered it for. it was from a mrg custermer who had it fitted then decieded he wanted a smf and uprated clutch. mrg word that it was mint was good enough for me. the whole job cost me under £500 inc labour.

[Kingsford G]

haha. i couldnt turn it down at the price i got offered it for. it was from a mrg custermer who had it fitted then decieded he wanted a smf and uprated clutch. mrg word that it was mint was good enough for me. the whole job cost me under £500 inc labour.

That`s a good find mate.Always good to have 1 spare running a mapped car.Your car looks the nuts unlike my sha..ed ex-plod lol

[graemewelch]

That`s a good find mate.Always good to have 1 spare running a mapped car.Your car looks the nuts unlike my sha..ed ex-plod lol


cheers kg. if this clutch fails or starts to slip ill get a uprated one next. should be fine for another 75k though. i dont drive my car hard.

[partsforvolvos.com]

clutch kit 272218 , 20 splines where as anything after 2003 will have a 23 spline gearbox.

[M-R-P]

cheers kg. if this clutch fails or starts to slip ill get a uprated one next. should be fine for another 75k though. i dont drive my car hard.

I think my clutch lasted 140k, 80 of that was under plod abuse (they changed the clutch at 50k but the 2nd one lasted till about 190k)

Did you get any kind of service sheet to show what the plod garage did to it?

[partsforvolvos.com]

you must have had the later modified clutch fitted to yours martin, Volvo modified it to increase the pressure.
they sometimes eat clutches like twinkies on duty .....

[M-R-P]

you must have had the later modified clutch fitted to yours martin, Volvo modified it to increase the pressure.
they sometimes eat clutches like twinkies on duty .....

That's what I guessed. clutch at 50k, disks and pads every 20k, the poor old girl must have had a right kicking :(

The clutch that I put in there looked a lot like an S60R clutch (obviously it wasn't).

[Kingsford G]

I think my clutch lasted 140k, 80 of that was under plod abuse (they changed the clutch at 50k but the 2nd one lasted till about 190k)

Did you get any kind of service sheet to show what the plod garage did to it?

Yes mate,have a print out but no mention of clutch replacement.

[M-R-P]

Yes mate,have a print out but no mention of clutch replacement.

bring it with you on the rr day, it'll make interesting reading. mine doesn't mention them fitting Orange injectors and yo be honest, it's pretty vague really.

[Kingsford G]

bring it with you on the rr day, it'll make interesting reading. mine doesn't mention them fitting Orange injectors and yo be honest, it's pretty vague really.

Will do mate.