Rolling road

[mike 850]

My car is booked in for a power run and AFR on sat, fancy a guess on power?

spec is:

850 T5 manual
19t compressor, straight outlet exhaust
De-cat
Custom cat back
generic remap @ 1.1 bar
white injectors
RamAir induction
2.5inch stainless rip
V power Nitro

I think that's it other than stage 0, I will be happy if it breaks 300 at the crank...

[M-R-P]

280

[T5frankie]

298bhp

[stribo]

270 BHP 310 lb/ft

[T5frankie]

[QUOTE=stribo;633204]270 BHP 310 lb/ft[/QUOTE

don't be silly

[stribo]

[QUOTE=stribo;633204]270 BHP 310 lb/ft[/QUOTE

don't be silly

I'm not.

[Biff]

I'd hope for 300 for you mate but they seem a bit hit & miss.
I'm guessing 285bhp but good luck & keep us informed!

[mike 850]

the car certainly feels alot faster than my last t5 (its been a while though) that had just over 280 bhp with a 15g but as you said its a bit hit and miss, will see on sat, what ever it is will be fine as it pulls like a train :)

[dtp]

282

[WOODY T5]

278

[Nealevo]

295@fly

[V70 Graham]

I'd say gotta be 290 bhp all day long.

[jamesy12345]

300.5 hp...positive thinking!

[T5frankie]

[QUOTE=T5frankie;633205]

I'm not.

you saw my s70r make 265bhp at 14 psi with a knackered and very smoky 19t

[stribo]

The object of this is to guess, as if I knew what it was making, then that wouldn't be guessing. My guess is 270, it's not up to you to decide whether you like my guess or not.

[T5frankie]

The object of this is to guess, as if I knew what it was making, then that wouldn't be guessing. My guess is 270, it's not up to you to decide whether you like my guess or not.

alright mr grumps

[woz]

291.5bhp (its not going to be a round number is it!!)
good luck

[theflyingbrick]

I hope its over 300 as ive a similar set up and that's what im hoping for :D

[BIG G]

310 :-)

[stribo]

alright mr grumps
I'm allowed to be grumpy, I've got a car with a split liner. :P

[T5frankie]

I'm allowed to be grumpy, I've got a car with a split liner. :P

i said it would be the clutch so thats a bonus lol

[stribo]

i said it would be the clutch so thats a bonus lol

Every cloud has a silver lining lol. How would the clutch make it overheat though?

[T5frankie]

Every cloud has a silver lining lol. How would the clutch make it overheat though?

well i was wrong again lol

[stribo]

well i was wrong again lol

lol, if you do ever get a S60R, get the block shimmed straight away, saves a lot of hassle in the long term. ;) (But you already know that) Good news is you're unlikely to bend a rod. :P

[T5frankie]

lol, if you do ever get a S60R, get the block shimmed straight away, saves a lot of hassle in the long term. ;) (But you already know that) Good news is you're unlikely to bend a rod. :P

cars a\re doing my head in lately, realizing i spend far too much money on them lol

[stribo]

cars a\re doing my head in lately, realizing i spend far too much money on them lol

Yeah, starting to get there myself, but then what else would we spend our money on?

[T5frankie]

Yeah, starting to get there myself, but then what else would we spend our money on?

hose

[Nealevo]

Garden hose ???

[T5frankie]

Garden hose ???

no mate just a load of hose lol

[merc85]

299.9bhp lol

[T5frankie]

299.9bhp lol

i'd be gutted lol

[smithy]

255 whp and that is only what I listen too lol .what hit the wheels is what counts and that's why frankie got his 14 sec flat quater

[T5frankie]

255 whp and that is only what I listen too lol .what hit the wheels is what counts and that's why frankie got his 14 sec flat quater

what do you reckon mine has got then?

[smithy]

what do you reckon mine has got then?

275whp to 280whp and a loony driver behind the wheel that will get that max out of any car lol

[T5frankie]

275whp to 280whp and a loony driver behind the wheel that will get that max out of any car lol

guess we will never know lol

[smithy]

guess we will never know lol

We will when it gets back on the road though .

[jamesy12345]

255 whp and that is only what I listen too lol .what hit the wheels is what counts and that's why frankie got his 14 sec flat quater

I was thinking that - about wheel/crank hp.......if you tell them you are expecting around 300 hp won't they just add losses onto the whp they see to suit what you are expecting?? Or is it more scientific than that? I'm not trying to say they are doing something underhand I just mean dynos in general.

[smithy]

I was thinking that - about wheel/crank hp.......if you tell them you are expecting around 300 hp won't they just add losses onto the whp they see to suit what you are expecting?? Or is it more scientific than that? I'm not trying to say they are doing something underhand I just mean dynos in general.

I've had this argument before and the an article about dynos that was put up by forum ages ago .a rollers measures whp first and then drag loses to get the crank/flywheel power .this is my own opinion witch I prefer .whp or fly it will be nice to see what he gets though .it just I prefer whp that's all and I will get shot down for it now lol.

[p fandango]

I was thinking that - about wheel/crank hp.......if you tell them you are expecting around 300 hp won't they just add losses onto the whp they see to suit what you are expecting?? Or is it more scientific than that? I'm not trying to say they are doing something underhand I just mean dynos in general.
not only can they do it that way by adjusting the loses, but i've also seen dyno operators that will quite happily get the original measurements out of process if the customer wants (ie using different gears for the runs etc)

[jamesy12345]

Some stuff:

http://www.andyforrestperformance.co.uk/26063.html

http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/internet_articles/Puma%20Race%20Engines%20Technical%20Guide%20-%20Measuring%20Engine%20power%20-%20engine%20dynos%20and%20rolling%20road%20dynos.h tm

Pump your tyres up and get some super unleaded!

[smithy]

It is supposed to be in 4th gear on the rollers

[V70 Graham]

Easy way to get 10bhp extra, just bribe the operator......it works.....just ask Frankie lol

[jamesy12345]

It is supposed to be in 4th gear on the rollers

I've only got 4 gears!


Easy way to get 10bhp extra, just bribe the operator......it works.....just ask Frankie lol

this is the rolling road thread not the MOT thread :hidesbehi

[V70 Graham]

.....this is the rolling road thread not the MOT thread :hidesbehi

Hahahaha you got me there.

[mike 850]

Not as much as I was hoping for but I should be happy for first attempt I suppose

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b355/mikegolfgti/IMG_20130810_114633_zps2fd86480.jpg (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/mikegolfgti/media/IMG_20130810_114633_zps2fd86480.jpg.html)

[stribo]

Good result mate. Oh god I hope Frankie isn't the closest. :slap:

[merc85]

i wasnt far out, good result :)

[Nealevo]

Good result mate. Oh god I hope Frankie isn't the closest. :slap:

Nope, I won, what's my prize? :) that's a good figure what was the torque?

[stribo]

Nope, I won, what's my prize? :) that's a good figure what was the torque?

Just checked, you're 1.6bhp out, Frankie's 1.4bhp out. We're never going to hear the end of it.:blahblah:

[mike 850]

the torque was quite low i think. just over 300 ftlbs @4k, on the map I have nothing happens till 4k its almost like its holding back. gonna go for a custom map

[WOODY T5]

Nice result mate

[jamesy12345]

what was it?? I can't see the chart

edit: by some detective work 296.6 hp? nice I was only 3-odd hp out :D

[T5frankie]

the reason i knew what it was going to be was i have had a 19t for 3 years with a straight outlet on it i know what these cars push and at what boost,

btw

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[Biff]

Congrats mate that's a nice figure!

[theflyingbrick]

Do you think with a 3" angled hot side with downpipe to match will see it over 300?

[Biff]

I know I'm not the most experienced but that would be my next mod & would expect a good rise above 300. :)

[mike 850]

I think easily but more than anything the map is restricting me, everything holds back till 4k and it only boosts to 16psi, if I get it to 18/19psi itll be there, I will confess this is the cheap ebay chip on a socket, the whole project has cost just under 1k including buying the car, taxing and Mot so I can't be too upset with the results so far. also the fan they used looked like a hair dryer, certainly didn't replicate 100mph wind, I have also started on a bigger intake system as the standard one looks tiny and restrictive, this is just my starting point and will definitely get this barge happily over 300.

[T5frankie]

mine should easily be around 330bhp then

[WOODY T5]

Lol lol lol lol

[T5frankie]

Lol lol lol lol

whats so funny deany boy?

[Biff]

mine should easily be around 330bhp then

Frankie must be spending lots of moolar then?

That's pretty inpressive power for under a grand.

[WOODY T5]

Yeah I mines black then yours lol

[T5frankie]

Frankie must be spending lots of moolar then?

That's pretty inpressive power for under a grand.

mine has a big intercooler, green injectors, 3.8 bar fuel reg, modified 19t to run extra boost, 3" downpipe, and running 19psi or more so those extra mods easy 30bhp

[merc85]

I think easily but more than anything the map is restricting me, everything holds back till 4k and it only boosts to 16psi, if I get it to 18/19psi itll be there, I will confess this is the cheap ebay chip on a socket, the whole project has cost just under 1k including buying the car, taxing and Mot so I can't be too upset with the results so far. also the fan they used looked like a hair dryer, certainly didn't replicate 100mph wind, I have also started on a bigger intake system as the standard one looks tiny and restrictive, this is just my starting point and will definitely get this barge happily over 300.

The way you are describing the map it sounds exactly like the one i have, hummm tempted to open up my ecu and have look. Personally i cant stand all this holding back till 4k malarky.

Still a good result mate :)

[graemewelch]

thats a lot of the rev range wasted. mine is boosting by 1500rpm and by 2500rpm its flying. frankie boost dosnt always make bhp

[mike 850]

Yeah it is frustrating, as my peak power was over 6k then the limiter kicks in! I suppose its safer for my rods and once im in the power it stays there when changing gear so its not all bad

[T5frankie]

thats a lot of the rev range wasted. mine is boosting by 1500rpm and by 2500rpm its flying. frankie boost dosnt always make bhp

ill think you will find there is no wasted boost on my 19t at only 19psi, a standard 19t can run 22 psi efficiently, mine has been modified to run more

[graemewelch]

my next mods would be getting the exhaust gases out as quick as you can and keeping airintake temps down

[merc85]

Yeah it is frustrating, as my peak power was over 6k then the limiter kicks in! I suppose its safer for my rods and once im in the power it stays there when changing gear so its not all bad

Yep deffo the same as mine, even tho the stamp on the ecu casing has Rica. I'm changing mine as soon as way to peaky for me.

[mike 850]

frankie, what intercooler are you running, also is it a custom map?

[T5frankie]

frankie, what intercooler are you running, also is it a custom map?

i think its a radtec mate, i have just sold my map, as it wasn't suited to my car, it was an 850 t5 auto map lol, i will be going fully custom next in due course

[Biff]

mine has a big intercooler, green injectors, 3.8 bar fuel reg, modified 19t to run extra boost, 3" downpipe, and running 19psi or more so those extra mods easy 30bhp

Look forward to seeing your figures when you have the custom map mate. Any more progress on the lump planned now your back off your jollys?

With the regards to the eBay chip & mercs ecu I guess the power was further down the rev range it could be a bit lower but more useable on the road.

[T5frankie]

Look forward to seeing your figures when you have the custom map mate. Any more progress on the lump planned now your back off your jollys?

With the regards to the eBay chip & mercs ecu I guess the power was further down the rev range it could be a bit lower but more useable on the road.

back off my jollys? i'm off in the morning mate lol

[Biff]

back off my jollys? i'm off in the morning mate lol

Sorry mate, thought you went last week!! Very jealous, could murder a holiday & a roadtrip to Spain would be spot on. Lol
Enjoy your jollys then! ;)

[T5frankie]

Sorry mate, thought you went last week!! Very jealous, could murder a holiday & a roadtrip to Spain would be spot on. Lol
Enjoy your jollys then! ;)

was supposed to be going on monday i couldnt wait so ive changed the ferry boking and booked another night in france lol

[Jamest5r]

Nice result's there, only thing that concern's me is the 75bhp loss through the transmission....296bhp/221whp, a tad generous i feel :)

[LiamT4]

Nice result's there, only thing that concern's me is the 75bhp loss through the transmission....296bhp/221whp, a tad generous i feel :)

whp looks nearer to 250 to me, on the graph anyway??

[Jamest5r]

whp looks nearer to 250 to me, on the graph anyway??

I was looking at the right hand side of the graph where the figs are, could be well wrong wont be the 1st time lol

[LiamT4]

I was looking at the right hand side of the graph where the figs are, could be well wrong wont be the 1st time lol

Do you mean where it says 221 uncorrected? I think that dyno is measuring in kw's, 221 kw is about 296bhp. So its converting the kw into bhp.

[Jamest5r]

Do you mean where it says 221 uncorrected? I think that dyno is measuring in kw's, 221 kw is about 296bhp. So its converting the kw into bhp.

Told you i was wrong lol

[smithy]

What is the whp then please .

[LiamT4]

What is the whp then please .

Going by the graph, about 240-245 i'd say.

[smithy]

Going by the graph, about 240-245 i'd say.

It normally says on the graph both bhp and whp but I've been up for 17hrs so abit nackered now.

[Jamest5r]

It normally says on the graph both bhp and whp but I've been up for 17hrs so abit nackered now.

That was my excuse :)

[mike 850]

Sorry didn't read this for a while, WHP was just over 240. got some bits on the way, a nice big snabb style intake and an me7 jap manifold to port

[smithy]

Sorry didn't read this for a while, WHP was just over 240. got some bits on the way, a nice big snabb style intake and an me7 jap manifold to port

240whp is about right for the boost you are running and on some rollers your bhp will be about 265/270bhp.

[merc85]

240whp is about right for the boost you are running and on some rollers your bhp will be about 265/270bhp.

my last engine in the Red 850 i had, whp was 238.1 flywheel 270bhp

[mike 850]

I suppose every dyno is going to be different, certainly feels massively quicker than my 280 bhp(on a different dyno) previous 850, got a few more mods to do then get a custom map, I guess at 1.1 bar im not really taking full advantage of the turbo

[merc85]

The dyno i used was very out dated lol, and i doubt it had been calibrated for a while, but thats why its always best to use the same dyno for any further tuning.

[mike 850]

Yeah, that makes perfect sense, at least I can see what differences I get. Your Car is looking lush by the way!

[merc85]

Yeah, that makes perfect sense, at least I can see what differences I get. Your Car is looking lush by the way!

Thanks buddy, either way its a good result and im sure you will notice a improvement with the smooth intake pipe. ;)

[mike 850]

Had another RR day, loads of civic type R's s2000's and Audi's, mine made 310bhp and 322ft and was over 70hp ahead of the rest, well chuffed