need stg 2 back in my life

[graemewelch]

ive decieded i want to go stg 2 again in the beast. ive had the hlm autotech map for year now. i only got it because the ppc unit failed and screwed up the map file which hamish sorted with the new map. but its not the same as stage 2. dosnt feel as sharp or as responsive as the stg2. its currently 328 bhp 429nm but rica stg 2 was 349bhp and 350 lbft and that was befor decat and fmic. best of all witb the isoftloader i can go from hlm map. stg 1 rica stg 2 rica. and its only costing me 100 :-). watch out 850 lads i. preparing for the strip

[T5frankie]

Lol still gonna thrrash you!!

[graemewelch]

all ill see is pink in my rear view mirror.

looking forward to it frankie.

[Wobbly Dave]

Don't forget that the tracking is very important - particular attention must be paid to the toe angle.

[graemewelch]

im going to get it wheel wheel alighed. im thinking about custom rear arms to make it fully adjustable. not sure what i could do on front

[Wobbly Dave]

Maybe I am just too subtle.??

[dtp]

Maybe I am just too subtle.??

:) .

[WOODY T5]

ive decieded i want to go stg 2 again in the beast. ive had the hlm autotech map for year now. i only got it because the ppc unit failed and screwed up the map file which hamish sorted with the new map. but its not the same as stage 2. dosnt feel as sharp or as responsive as the stg2. its currently 328 bhp 429nm but rica stg 2 was 349bhp and 350 lbft and that was befor decat and fmic. best of all witb the isoftloader i can go from hlm map. stg 1 rica stg 2 rica. and its only costing me 100 :-). watch out 850 lads i. preparing for the striphello and good luck u well need it not even rich aka Santa can beat me :)

[danny-R]

Yeah but the 4wd slows you down after 2nd gear. I'd bet a 350bhp fwd s60 would beat a similar powered s60r over quarter mile

[graemewelch]

Yeah but the 4wd slows you down after 2nd gear. I'd bet a 350bhp fwd s60 would beat a similar powered s60r over quarter mile

i took this comment from another forum. a comment from a guy whos had both


Not much you could easily do.I've had both, and the 2.4T5 is brutal at the low endIt has all the same induction gear as the 2.5R but it is even more brutal than that.My 2.4 would pick up like a diesel, but then keep going where a diesel would tail off.It picks up so low that I doubt it is even boosting much down there, so it may not even be turbo related.I'm not sure if the autos were so torquey down there, but mine was a manual.I could put it in 6th gear and sit there all day on a long run driving it as if it was an auto. It would pull away even from 40mph in 6th.Now I have an MTE stage 2 tuned R and its nowhere near as good at the bottom end as the 2.4T5.The 2.4T5 was everything the other T5s failed to be.

[Wobbly Dave]

I am seriously contemplating ditching the 2319cc block in favour of the 2.4

[graemewelch]

its a shame you cant put your turbo and set up into a s60 like mine. then youd have a newer ecu to tinker with the 2.4 lump and vvc on both cams so you get the low down power and the power delivery that your after.

[stribo]

i took this comment from another forum. a comment from a guy whos had both


Not much you could easily do.I've had both, and the 2.4T5 is brutal at the low endIt has all the same induction gear as the 2.5R but it is even more brutal than that.My 2.4 would pick up like a diesel, but then keep going where a diesel would tail off.It picks up so low that I doubt it is even boosting much down there, so it may not even be turbo related.I'm not sure if the autos were so torquey down there, but mine was a manual.I could put it in 6th gear and sit there all day on a long run driving it as if it was an auto. It would pull away even from 40mph in 6th.Now I have an MTE stage 2 tuned R and its nowhere near as good at the bottom end as the 2.4T5.The 2.4T5 was everything the other T5s failed to be.

I do find the R does seem to be lacking at bottom end, and assumed it was just down to the bigger turbo taking longer to spool up. Above about 3000 revs it flies though.

[T5frankie]

all ill see is pink in my rear view mirror.

looking forward to it frankie.

You might like pink in your rear lol

[danny-R]

I do find the R does seem to be lacking at bottom end, and assumed it was just down to the bigger turbo taking longer to spool up. Above about 3000 revs it flies though.

Same kkk turbo as the 2.4 t5?

[graemewelch]

I do find the R does seem to be lacking at bottom end, and assumed it was just down to the bigger turbo taking longer to spool up. Above about 3000 revs it flies though.


ill give you a blast in mine see what you think.

[graemewelch]

You might like pink in your rear lol

im going to let you win now

[graemewelch]

Same kkk turbo as the 2.4 t5?



only difference is a v band on inlet compressor on the R

[Wobbly Dave]

its a shame you cant put your turbo and set up into a s60 like mine. then youd have a newer ecu to tinker with the 2.4 lump and vvc on both cams so you get the low down power and the power delivery that your after.

You can put the GTX on your car - I haven't because I am not so keen on the S60 as a shape - purely personal preference.

[graemewelch]

You can put the GTX on your car - I haven't because I am not so keen on the S60 as a shape - purely personal preference.

it would be boring if we all liked the same. it has crossed my mind to get a turbo like yours but im prob looking at 1300-1600 by time get actuator and other bits and bobs to make it a complete. then 600 mapping. but it would be on seriously fast motor

[Wobbly Dave]

I think you can easily use my research - I'll happily share what I know & the pitfalls I've had to overcome.

[graemewelch]

I think you can easily use my research - I'll happily share what I know & the pitfalls I've had to overcome.

so what you rekon the hurdles are.

manifold flange - i can get machined for free
down pipe- can be done by free
oil and coolant lines. - i can get custom one made
intake pipe - i can make custom pipes
price of turbo approx 1100
actuator 80

anything that ive missed or got wrong

[T5RatherAmusin]

so what you rekon the hurdles are.

manifold flange - i can get machined for free
down pipe- can be done by free
oil and coolant lines. - i can get custom one made
intake pipe - i can make custom pipes
price of turbo approx 1100
actuator 80

anything that ive missed or got wrong

you thort of contacting the like of owen developments and reworking the kkk...

what psi was that rica 349hp doing?

[graemewelch]

you thort of contacting the like of owen developments and reworking the kkk...

what psi was that rica 349hp doing?


dont think theres much to gain. the exhaust housing is to small. viva do a hybrid and the results are crap

[T5RatherAmusin]

dont think theres much to gain. the exhaust housing is to small. viva do a hybrid and the results are crap

thort theyr turbo was for bout 420hp

[graemewelch]

thort theyr turbo was for bout 420hp

i emailed rica about them and they advised me not to waste money as gains were very small. daves turbo is the daddy of aftermarket turbos.

[T5RatherAmusin]

i emailed rica about them and they advised me not to waste money as gains were very small. daves turbo is the daddy of aftermarket turbos.

i know that but your a cheap §§§§ and dont wanna pay for it lol ;)

[T5RatherAmusin]

i know that but your a cheap §§§§ and dont wanna pay for it lol ;)

wats he using 3071/76?

[graemewelch]

thort theyr turbo was for bout 420hp

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F

torque is stupidly low as is bhp considering the mods

[T5frankie]

wats he using 3071/76?

gtx3071r (new version) good for 500bhp

[T5RatherAmusin]

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F

torque is stupidly low as is bhp considering the mods
link dont work for me matey


gtx3071r (new version) good for 500bhp

and whats he running?

[p fandango]

I am seriously contemplating ditching the 2319cc block in favour of the 2.4
you'll only need to change the crank & con-rods

[Wobbly Dave]

surely the pistons are also different or is it just a deeper stroke that give it the extra?

[T5frankie]

link dont work for me matey



and whats he running?

360bhp, at only 1.3 bar, turbo is rated at 2.6 bar, actually can run 560bhp

[p fandango]

surely the pistons are also different or is it just a deeper stroke that give it the extra?
If your using the later short skirted pistons there the same, the longer stroke on the crank changes the cc

[Wobbly Dave]

People bandy figures about like candy - tbh I could push for high bhp pub figures

To get nearer the 450 mark you'd need to lower the compression. We ran 1.5 bar on it on the dyno & ME7 shut the throttle on me at 5K rpm & then re-opened it.

I am not overly worried about peak values but I would like to get somewhere close to Dean.

[Wobbly Dave]

If your using the later short skirted pistons there the same, the longer stroke on the crank changes the cc

So it is likely the pistons I have now couldn't be used.

[Wobbly Dave]

360bhp, at only 1.3 bar, turbo is rated at 2.6 bar, actually can run 560bhp

Fuel will detonate long before that on standard T5 compression.

[T5RatherAmusin]

stop pussyfarting about then dave and sort it out! lol ;)

[p fandango]

So it is likely the pistons I have now couldn't be used.
if your using the pistons on the right with 147mm conrods then you can change to 2.4 using your pistons, you just need the crank with 93mm stroke & 143mm conrods

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/7546/yrkj.jpg

[T5frankie]

Fuel will detonate long before that on standard T5 compression.

well what was the point in this whole project then? when a 19t is just as quick

[graemewelch]

its not finished yet so thats a bit of a unfair comment

[T5frankie]

well what was the point in this whole project then? when a 19t is just as quick

been telling him for months all it needs is mapping

[Jamest5r]

well what was the point in this whole project then? when a 19t is just as quick

Not on a track it wont be :),

[T5frankie]

Not on a track it wont be :),

course it will, cant get any higher than around 110mph on a track either

[stribo]

course it will, cant get any higher than around 110mph on a track either

I was getting up to 120 mph at Castle Combe, Hangar Straight at Silverstone would probably see 130 mph.

[Dream3r]

People bandy figures about like candy - tbh I could push for high bhp pub figures

To get nearer the 450 mark you'd need to lower the compression. We ran 1.5 bar on it on the dyno & ME7 shut the throttle on me at 5K rpm & then re-opened it.

I am not overly worried about peak values but I would like to get somewhere close to Dean.

Not surprising, it would need to be an excellent map to run 1.5bar on me7, on a rolling road without hiccups. ME7 is pretty much at it's boost limit there.

[T5frankie]

I was getting up to 120 mph at Castle Combe, Hangar Straight at Silverstone would probably see 130 mph.

no you wouldnt lol

[Dream3r]

Graham, I'd be interested in seeing the RR of this RICA map, I've yet to see one since Adam declared that they no longer 'turbo diesel'd' the throttle maps.

With the above in mind, I wonder if that's what you miss perhaps? My old S60T5 with RICA was originally mapped to 30% pedal = 100% ETM angle, felt like it was quick off the mark but no &&^% wonder, the throttle was fully open 90% of the time!

[stribo]

no you wouldnt lol
I'll find out in August, remember Daves car has more power and is lighter, so will see 130 easy.

[T5frankie]

I'll find out in August, remember Daves car has more power and is lighter, so will see 130 easy.

Really ill be there in September!

[stribo]

Really ill be there in September!

That's why I'm going in August :P I was getting confused, as we always used to go to Ford Fair in August.

[graemewelch]

Graham, I'd be interested in seeing the RR of this RICA map, I've yet to see one since Adam declared that they no longer 'turbo diesel'd' the throttle maps.

With the above in mind, I wonder if that's what you miss perhaps? My old S60T5 with RICA was originally mapped to 30% pedal = 100% ETM angle, felt like it was quick off the mark but no &&^% wonder, the throttle was fully open 90% of the time!

i dont have it. the previous owner had it. guess ill find out when its fitted then ill get power runs on both maps

[Dream3r]

I guess you will. I can help you log it if need be.

[graemewelch]

I guess you will. I can help you log it if need be.

cheers. what dose that involve. i read you do a bit of mapping

[Dream3r]

Yes you are right. Just with vida or other tools I have mate.

[V70 Graham]

That's why I'm going in August :P I was getting confused, as we always used to go to Ford Fair in August.

Confused ? That's two day's running lol, you've been out in the sun too long mate.

[graemewelch]

Yes you are right. Just with vida or other tools I have mate.
ill give you a shout as soon as im back on my toes.

[jamesy12345]

With the above in mind, I wonder if that's what you miss perhaps? My old S60T5 with RICA was originally mapped to 30% pedal = 100% ETM angle, felt like it was quick off the mark but no &&^% wonder, the throttle was fully open 90% of the time!

sounds like my old V70R. Hard work to drive slow

[Dream3r]

Sound. The 2.4 is so ripe for tuning it's silly. It's just a detuned R file, nothing more.

[p fandango]

So it is likely the pistons I have now couldn't be used.
if your using the same length 139mm conrods that you sold JT, then you've got the longer skirted pistons which means you will have to change the pistons if you want to go 2.4

[Dream3r]

I'm going to wang a super 20g in my S60R hopefully, providing the spare cash materialises. Should be quick :D

[graemewelch]

i read about that. should be good that. the turbo off the focus rs intrests me. ive veen told many times it cant be done. im not so convinced though

[Dream3r]

Is it not integrated in the manifold or something daft, like the S40 platfrom, aka Focus?

[graemewelch]

aye thats the one. it would mean custom down pipe and new intake. maybe adjusting a few other pipes. ionly reason i would do it is to say it can be done. i like to prove that things can be done when been told they cant

[T5RatherAmusin]

22045 <<click
does the rs mani fit our t5s?

[graemewelch]

22045 <<click
does the rs mani fit our t5s?


yes. exactly the same

[T5RatherAmusin]

yes. exactly the same

then theyr cant be much of a problem if you wanna head down the rs route.
if lucky just a custom dp.
but possibly coustom air feed and charge etc. be nice to use the whole rs kit :)

[Wobbly Dave]

Air feed is reversed on RS - so it is really tricky to fit on earlier T5s.

[p fandango]

I'm going to wang a super 20g in my S60R hopefully, providing the spare cash materialises. Should be quick :D
The 20g can really move some air, even compared to a 19t. Quite cheap from America as well

[T5RatherAmusin]

Air feed is reversed on RS - so it is really tricky to fit on earlier T5s.

sorry, what you mean reversed? lol

[Dream3r]

Hmm another option, the RS turbo, I never thought the manifold would fit!!

Only thing they seem to-go for about 2k.

Graeme, you're a metal guy aren't you? I may have to talk to yor about either customising my DP for the 20G/RS turbo or even making a custom one...

[Dream3r]

Injectors will be these, or similar UK sourced ones:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Volvo-2001-07-S60-Turbo-Set-of-5-Plug-and-Play-650cc-fuel-Injectors-/150981046423?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item23272bf097&vxp=mtr

[partsforvolvos.com]

there is a larger KKK that can fit straight onto the R - that's is what cosworth fitted to those usa touring cars a few years ago. made 500 bhp with minimal internal work

[T5RatherAmusin]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-GENUINE-OEM-BORG-WARNER-K16-FORD-FOCUS-II-RS-UPGRADE-TURBO-FOR-VOLVO-/121012212746?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c2ce3d40a
could prob use the likes of the c30/s40s air kit etc, bet its cheaper lol

[T5RatherAmusin]

http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/product-Focus-RS-Mk2-Phase-1-Hybrid-Turbocharger_851.jsp

[graemewelch]

there is a larger KKK that can fit straight onto the R - that's is what cosworth fitted to those usa touring cars a few years ago. made 500 bhp with minimal internal work

please tell us more

[M-R-P]

sorry, what you mean reversed? lol

Compressor is on the other side from the look of the pic (looks like the pic is of an upside-down mani but I could be wrong)

[Wobbly Dave]

During my research for my build I was looking at this manifold as an alternative

http://j-w-racing.co.uk/product.php/7203/2026/t3_exhaust_manifold_focus_rs_mk2_/6281ba9d8faf608eec105a266ef4a3ab

That would also go onto the S40/V50/C30/C70 FHT T5 variants too - but it doesn't work for the 2319cc - as the all take cold air from the O/S

[Wobbly Dave]

There have been days when I thought about doing a full RS conversion on the C70 FHT.

[Dream3r]

So cool that an RS manifold fits the P2's..

The RS turbo's are expensive though...

[T5RatherAmusin]

So cool that an RS manifold fits the P2's..

The RS turbo's are expensive though...
£999 at pumaspeed....not too bad is it

22048
rs airbox is on passenger side... it make sense to use the rs inlet pipe tho...

[graemewelch]

£999 at pumaspeed....not too bad is it

22048
rs airbox is on passenger side... it make sense to use the rs inlet pipe tho...

thats exchange though. its 1995 plus vat if havnt got one to exchange

[M-R-P]

£999 at pumaspeed....not too bad is it

22048
rs airbox is on passenger side... it make sense to use the rs inlet pipe tho...

Looks like a bloody tupperware party in there!

[T5RatherAmusin]

thats exchange though. its 1995 plus vat if havnt got one to exchange
ar balls lol. better keep saving then lol

Looks like a bloody tupperware party in there!
ye not a lot of room in there...
i do prefer theyr intake manifold design tho!

[graemewelch]

i wouldnt spend that much on mods id just buy a m5 or supercharged jag. ive got all the bits in house to build a tubular t5 manifold.

[Dream3r]

^ Agreed, hoping to get a 20g, injectors and a drop in IC for less than a grand, might be mad but I'll try... Saying that it could all be a pipe dream if the parts are too expensive.

Mapping I'll do myself, fitting and fabrication, Tim Williams if he's up for it, or someone similar if not.

[Wobbly Dave]

i wouldnt spend that much on mods id just buy a m5 or supercharged jag. ive got all the bits in house to build a tubular t5 manifold. Chris Tullett quoted me 1750 to make a tub. manifold for mine. S60R will have to do for now.

There are off the shelve tubular manifolds for the 2319 but unfortunately will not fit on RHD due to the master cylinder & brake servo. Lefties only :cry: