Clutch advice

[JamesT5]

The Gearbox specialist is saying that I need to buy a 3 piece clutch kit which includes a "thrust bearing" if I want my clutch changed, yet all the ones I'm finding are 2 piece clutch sets which is really starting get on my nerves. :wallbash:

Can a I buy a 2 piece clutch set and then buy a thrust bearing seperately or am I stuck with going to a Main Stealer to buy a 3 piece clutch set? Also, why are there so many 2 piece sets for sale and nor 3 piece sets? If it's necessary to have the bearing when you change the clutch then why aren't all the sets for sale as a 3 piece set! :wtf: :confused:

Am I missing the obvious here? Any advice is appreciated.....

Regards

James

[partsforvolvos.com]

hi james, if this is for the v70 in the photo it is because it has a concentric slave cylinder. this means the release bearing and slave cylinder are made into one part.

most clutch kits for these models ( all 1999 on ) are 2 piece (clutch/plarte and drive plate ) and the concentric slave cylinder is purchased seperately.
there are a few 3 piece kits out there, but i dont know that they offer a significantly better price. we chose to offer the 2 piece kit and the seperate cylinder.

you have been given sound advice though, since the gearbox has to come off to replace the clutch and it is a related wear and tear part, it would be silly not to replace it at the same time.
pm me your reg, and i'll provide a quote if you like.


hope this helps.
Jamie

[M-R-P]

This so called "specialist" is worrying me James. The thrust bearing on our cars is part of the slave cylinder.
The clutch kit (the 2 part thing) LUK part number 624225509 £118 incl VAT and delivery from click4carparts on ebay.
slave was 510 0010 10 LUK £80+VAT from GSF
The DMF which I HIGHLY RECOMMEND CHANGING is LUK part number 415 0178 10, £315+VAT from GSF.

[M-R-P]

You'll also need flywheel bolts and driveshaft seals. I also recommend getting them to change the rear main seal while they have the flywheel off ;)

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/Snapbucket/B25304F3-orig.jpg

[Wobbly Dave]

Endorse the do it once & do it properly approach :stupid:

[M-R-P]

Endorse the do it once & do it properly approach :stupid:
This specialist has already said he's never known the DMF fail on a petrol car...

I wouldn't want to see James fork out all that money on labor, only to have to take it all apart again when the DMF lets - go.

It might be a few hundred extra now but it'll save another few hundred later. Especially when we're talking about a car with 230+k on the clock.

[Wobbly Dave]

DMF on mine was complately kneckered.

[JamesT5]

Thanks chaps. The thing is, there is no room in the budget for a DMF at the moment and I'm stretching it by having to buy a clutch. If I had the money for a new DMF then I'd buy a new DMF but unless I can get one on a shoe string it just isn't going to happen.

So I can get a 2 piece clutch set plus I buy the bearing thing as a seperate part? I wonder if these are any good, their 'new' Police surplus......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-VOLVO-V70-TURBO-CLUTCH-PRESSURE-AND-CENTRE-PLATES-PART-NO-272314-/300889277614?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Cars+Year%3A2001%7CCar+Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3 AV70&hash=item460e6604ae

[M-R-P]

Mine too - I separated it with a screwdriver!

[M-R-P]

So I can get a 2 piece clutch set plus I buy the bearing thing as a seperate part? I wonder if these are any good, their 'new' Police surplus......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-VOLVO-V70-TURBO-CLUTCH-PRESSURE-AND-CENTRE-PLATES-PART-NO-272314-/300889277614?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Cars+Year%3A2001%7CCar+Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3 AV70&hash=item460e6604ae
It'll most likely be the 23 tooth version - you need the 20 tooth from what I can make out. I bought the one I listed above thinking it'll fit fine, only to find that being plod - I needed the one you've listed lol. They're 212 quid for mine.

Check with PFV but I'm sure you'll find the one you want is what I've listed at £118.

There's a very good chance the mechanic will remove the gearbox and go.. "your DMF is shot..." If you can find the extra money mate, sell a kidney or something lol, You should expect to have to get a new DMF as a matter of course.

It sucks, I know :(

[JamesT5]

I'll PM PFV! This car is slowly bankrupting me hence I've had to stoop so low as to buy as second hand box. The box on the car right now is starting to sound so bad that I can't wait 6 months to save up for a reconditioned box, by which time the box will cease and this will almost certainly 'total' the car!

As this job is so urgent, I'm having to take a gamble on the DMF which doesn't seem to be rattling or making any noise to indicate it's faulty. When it does eventually fail, then I'll have to pay out to have it removed and replaced at which point I'll have all the comments, "we told you so, you should have had it done in May like we said". But that's life, my wallet can't take any more!

:sorry: :bricks:

It's booked in for the 10th May (pay day!).

[V70 Graham]

It does suck.....but I'm afraid he's right.

[JamesT5]

I think I might draw up a constitution and set up a registered charity to keep this car on the road. LMAO! :hilarious

[JamesT5]

Btw, cheapest DMF I could find on ebay on a quick search....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-V70-Mk-II-Estate-2-3-T5-Dual-Mass-Flywheel-LUK-03-00-/230709553368?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35b75c68d8

[M-R-P]

I'll PM PFV! This car is slowly bankrupting me hence I've had to stoop so low as to buy as second hand box. The box on the car right now is starting to sound so bad that I can't wait 6 months to save up for a reconditioned box, by which time the box will cease and this will almost certainly 'total' the car!

As this job is so urgent, I'm having to take a gamble on the DMF which doesn't seem to be rattling or making any noise to indicate it's faulty. When it does eventually fail, then I'll have to pay out to have it removed and replaced at which point I'll have all the comments, "we told you so, you should have had it done in May like we said". But that's life, my wallet can't take any more!

:sorry: :bricks:

It's booked in for the 10th May (pay day!).

I know what you mean mate. Fingers crossed it'll be ok. My DMF didn't make any noises (discovered the chirping was the water pump). It'll depend on the mechanic's idea of "knackered" too. He might feel a bit of movement and say it's fine.

[M-R-P]

Btw, cheapest DMF I could find on ebay on a quick search....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-V70-Mk-II-Estate-2-3-T5-Dual-Mass-Flywheel-LUK-03-00-/230709553368?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35b75c68d8

GSF (http://www.gsfcarparts.com/parts/engine-parts/crankshaft-drive/flywheel)

They're on fleabay too.

[JamesT5]

GSF (http://www.gsfcarparts.com/parts/engine-parts/crankshaft-drive/flywheel)

They're on fleabay too.

Ok, time to sell a kidney on ebay..... (just kidding) ;)

[Wobbly Dave]

The springs on mine were completely shot. I haemorrhage cash too on Betsy. This last week alone - new steering rack - yet another wheel bearing - new sump (thankfully I had a spare) - not to mention the insurance & now the S40 is chirpily telling me it needs a service. Rapidly running out of arms & legs.

[M-R-P]

You can see on this pic, I have a 19mm spanner wedged between the 2 parts of my old DMF...

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/just%20stuff/DSCF8053.jpg

There was no springs left in it apart from a few fragments rattling around inside.

[V70 Graham]

I haemorrhage cash too on Betsy.....

.....rapidly running out of arms & legs.

Aren't we all lol, I've been hopping around for ages !

[partsforvolvos.com]

James - , that genuine clutch 272314 is the correct part number, and at £80 i would rip their arm off for it. There is nothing special about police spec clutches- it is the standard part and would reduce your outlay a bit.

[M-R-P]

Plod spec clutch has 23 tooth spline mate, standard is 20. I can't say this for all model years but with mine, this was the case.

[p fandango]

Plod spec clutch has 23 tooth spline mate, standard is 20. I can't say this for all model years but with mine, this was the case.
isn't the 20spline the older 850 gearbox, thought they all swopped to 23spline after 2002

[partsforvolvos.com]

vida-for james's car >>
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i think your correct pedro, james's car is an 01. mrp's is a 2002 on from memory.
the 272314 fits so many cars i wont bother to list them all including:
s40/v40 t4 98-00
s70/v70/c70/s80/s60/v70 > 2001

p.s vida is always right!
p.p.s = there are no special differences to police cars apart from the largest brakes as standard, and front suspension arms- the rest is all mystic assumption :shifty:

[M-R-P]

Mine's 2003 (see sig) the different wishbones were only on the P1 cars, Mine has always had standard 305mm brakes not 320mm (later plod spec), it has heavier ARBs, different spec Nivomats (till I removed them) Different springs (afaik) to accomodate the higher-lift of the plod nivs.
Depending on the year of the "plod spec" clutch, it'll either have the 20 or 23 tooth center. Mine has the 23 tooth although some shops list both for my model.
James's car should have the 20 tooth, being standard spec. So if that plod spec clutch kit is listed for pre-2003 cars then yes, it'll probably have the correct fitting. I didn't have the means to look up the part number hence me saying "it's most likely to be..."

[JamesT5]

James - , that genuine clutch 272314 is the correct part number, and at £80 i would rip their arm off for it. There is nothing special about police spec clutches- it is the standard part and would reduce your outlay a bit.

It's mine, I brought it at the asking price as I thought making an offer would have risked it slipping away forever to another buyer. It's a genuine Volvo part that so it's a steal!

Jamie, thank you........ I know you're in business to sell parts yourself so I value the advice you gave me there!

Regards

James

[partsforvolvos.com]

you're welcome james, we are on here to participate and help, as well as picking up some business.

[sizzlechest]

James, take a look at this site for your flywheel (budget allowing). The S60R/V70R flywheels are very expensive as a thorough search has highlighted (£500-£600) but here it's £379.31. See what your DMF comes in at:

http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/buy/__/35/transmission/luk-clutch-kits/luk-flywheel/


Flywheel bolts: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251210262478?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2648

Have you thought about doing the clutch yourself?.....not as scary as it looks...probably!

[partsforvolvos.com]

[QUOTE=M-R-P;597790]Mine's 2003 (see sig) QUOTE]

lol, didnt notice that i was going from memory about the mirror you had.

ref the heavier anti roll bars and nivomats, i believe with 2 officers and full traffic kit on board they were on the car's weight load limit so couldnt even take prisoners in. so i'm not surprised it had those on.

[JamesT5]

James, take a look at this site for your flywheel (budget allowing). The S60R/V70R flywheels are very expensive as a thorough search has highlighted (£500-£600) but here it's £379.31. See what your DMF comes in at:

http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/buy/__/35/transmission/luk-clutch-kits/luk-flywheel/


Flywheel bolts: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251210262478?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2648

Have you thought about doing the clutch yourself?.....not as scary as it looks...probably!

Thanks.

You probably aren't aware, the reason I'm hving a clutch is because the gearbox is knackered and so the garage are fitting a clutch for no extra labour cost whilst they're changing the gearbox (make sense?). If the gearbox was ok then I wouldn't even be looking at a clutch change yet, I see it more as preventative maintenance if I'm honest.

Regards

James

[JamesT5]

Thanks to Parts for Volvos, they're sorting me out with a Concentric Slave Cylinder - I owe Jamie that much at least! :B_thumb:

[M-R-P]

[QUOTE=M-R-P;597790]Mine's 2003 (see sig) QUOTE]

lol, didnt notice that i was going from memory about the mirror you had.

ref the heavier anti roll bars and nivomats, i believe with 2 officers and full traffic kit on board they were on the car's weight load limit so couldnt even take prisoners in. so i'm not surprised it had those on.
Yeah, the online parts places often list the plod nivs as "police" $500+ each.

I hope you don't think I was trying to start an arguement mate, I've spent the last 2 years trying to gather info on plod cars and still learning ;)

[stevmo]

how to sum up ex plod vs standard road car:
ex plod very knackered, standard road car vasying levels of knackered depending on previous owner(s) care and maintenance

simples :D

[JamesT5]

how to sum up ex plod vs standard road car:
ex plod very knackered, standard road car vasying levels of knackered depending on previous owner(s) care and maintenance

simples :D

Well what gets me is that my car has a full Volvo service history up to around 200,000 miles, yet all the important stuff like suspension, brakes and stuff like that were completely and utterly knackered. It makes me wonder whether the Volvo garage were doing half the work they said they were doing. I can't believe a car with such a good maintenance record has turned out ot be so problematic, an owner who gets it serviced at a Volvo Stealers would surely have made sure the whole car was maintained to a high standard.

That's one thing that's always bugged me since the problems started!

[partsforvolvos.com]

[QUOTE=partsforvolvos.com;597798]
Yeah, the online parts places often list the plod nivs as "police" $500+ each.

I hope you don't think I was trying to start an arguement mate, I've spent the last 2 years trying to gather info on plod cars and still learning ;)

you're ok Martin, i didn't think that, but then I had the same worry about my post after i did it ! ......... LOL

Police cars are always a challenge, depending on what job it did and extra electrics thay had.

[partsforvolvos.com]

LOL Stevmo, you missed out 30 + accidents as standard. - to be fair because of the high demand they go through they are serviced twice as often, and undergo weekly/monthly visual checks.

[partsforvolvos.com]

Well what gets me is that my car has a full Volvo service history up to around 200,000 miles, yet all the important stuff like suspension, brakes and stuff like that were completely and utterly knackered. It makes me wonder whether the Volvo garage were doing half the work they said they were doing. I can't believe a car with such a good maintenance record has turned out ot be so problematic, an owner who gets it serviced at a Volvo Stealers would surely have made sure the whole car was maintained to a high standard.

That's one thing that's always bugged me since the problems started!

it depends if the volvo garage always reported things, but the owner chose not to do them , and they built up . - this is so often the case, as a service advisor you spend hours making up long estimates, just for the customer to decline it all.

[M-R-P]

[QUOTE=M-R-P;597858]

you're ok Martin, i didn't think that, but then I had the same worry about my post after i did it ! ......... LOL

Police cars are always a challenge, depending on what job it did and extra electrics thay had.
Lets not go into the electrics lol. My tailgate has the has an IDE power connection (from a PC) floating about inside lol.

[stevmo]

LOL Stevmo, you missed out 30 + accidents as standard. - to be fair because of the high demand they go through they are serviced twice as often, and undergo weekly/monthly visual checks.

forgot about the accidents - funny watching programs like traffic cops and watching what abuse they get. Glad mine was only owned by a police officer not used as a police car ;)

[M-R-P]

Mine's got evidence of a new rear wing and floor pan, the chassis has a 1/8" twist in it and a badly hung rear bumper. The front bumper has been replaced too.

[partsforvolvos.com]

forgot about the accidents - funny watching programs like traffic cops and watching what abuse they get. Glad mine was only owned by a police officer not used as a police car ;)

but he might have practised in it ........... pmsl

[JamesT5]

it depends if the volvo garage always reported things, but the owner chose not to do them , and they built up . - this is so often the case, as a service advisor you spend hours making up long estimates, just for the customer to decline it all.

In other words the Director of the Cermamics company was and is a cheapskate. :D

[JamesT5]

forgot about the accidents - funny watching programs like traffic cops and watching what abuse they get. Glad mine was only owned by a police officer not used as a police car ;)

The cars could do worse, they could give it to T5frankie for a day.... that's equal to a years worth of Police abuse by anyones book, surely! ;)

[JamesT5]

New clutch arrived today. What a bargain and quick delivery too!

[V70 Graham]

New clutch arrived today. What a bargain and quick delivery too!

That was quick, fitting it early next Month ?

[JamesT5]

That was quick, fitting it early next Month ?

May 10th mate, 2 days before the Haynes day so fingers crossed the gearbox I've got ready to go in the car is fault free. If it isn't I won't be going anywhere that weekend!

Oh, some pictures...........

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1010894_zpsb33acf24.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1010894_zpsb33acf24.jpg.html)

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1010895_zps566ba664.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1010895_zps566ba664.jpg.html)

[Fubar1977]

Shiny!
Hope it all comes together OK James.

[silverhorse]

OOOOOHHH, new parts!!!!! Nice.
Now, are you sure they are the right bits and they are going to fit.........................:mischievo

[V70 Graham]

OOOOOHHH, new parts!!!!! Nice.
Now, are you sure they are the right bits and they are going to fit.........................:mischievo

They need to fit, he's got a long way to push that car to Haynes if they don't !

[JamesT5]

OOOOOHHH, new parts!!!!! Nice.
Now, are you sure they are the right bits and they are going to fit.........................:mischievo

I was slightly worried yesterday because I realised the clutch is for a 2001 model (like mine), however the replacement gearbox is off a 2003 model! :doh:

The penny dropped in the shower a couple of days ago, so now I've got to count teeth on the spline and the clutch to make sure it matches. If not, there'll be a Volvo clutch for sale very soon!

I'll keep you posted......

[JamesT5]

Ok, I just checked the clutch plate and there are 20 teeth, but 22 teeth on the gearbox input shaft spline. Looks like the bargain clutch won't fit!

The 2003 gearbox must have 22 teeth on the shaft, I wish I'd realised that before I brought it. :wallbash:

[M-R-P]

It's 50/50 with the 2003 gearbox mate. Some are 20 and some are 23 (not 22).

Gutted for ya mate. The clutch (if you need it quickly) is £212 from GSF and if you phone them early, they can have it for lunchtime.
I had the same problem with my clutch but my car was in lots of bits at the time - horrible sinking feeling.

[JamesT5]

It's 50/50 with the 2003 gearbox mate. Some are 20 and some are 23 (not 22).

Gutted for ya mate. The clutch (if you need it quickly) is £212 from GSF and if you phone them early, they can have it for lunchtime.
I had the same problem with my clutch but my car was in lots of bits at the time - horrible sinking feeling.

The car isn't in for repair til the 10th May. With the gearbox being from a 2003 model means that I now have to change my clutch because my old one won't fit either. The good thing is, I can probably sell this Volvo clutch on for a profit so that might help offset some of the costs involved here.

[M-R-P]

Fingers crossed mate. At least you have time to find another for a good price. The $212 I paid for mine was probably way over the odds but I needed it ASAP and had to bight the bullet.

[JamesT5]

Just been on the phone to Jamie at Parts For Volvos and I've ordered a clutch and slave cylinder. A huge thanks to Jamie for going above and beyond the call of duty to find me parts within my budget! :B_thumb: :beer:

Ok, I'll be selling the other genuine Volvo clutch shorty.

[partsforvolvos.com]

All sorted :wink:

[M-R-P]

Just been on the phone to Jamie at Parts For Volvos and I've ordered a clutch and slave cylinder. A huge thanks to Jamie for going above and beyond the call of duty to find me parts within my budget! :B_thumb: :beer:

Ok, I'll be selling the other genuine Volvo clutch shorty.

He's a good lad is Jamie - (even if I didn't get any sweeties with my last order ;))

[V70 Graham]

Glad your sorted, I didn't get any sweets last time either and that was on a £600+ order lol

[partsforvolvos.com]

what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[V70 Graham]

what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

Tis true I'm afraid, new calipers, discs and pads all round....not one sweet to give to the guys who arranged the mini-meet to fit them all.

[partsforvolvos.com]

Sorry Graham, i have sent you and Martin some out

[JamesT5]

Tis true I'm afraid, new calipers, discs and pads all round....not one sweet to give to the guys who arranged the mini-meet to fit them all.

Went for the full monty like I suggested then Graham?

[JamesT5]

All sorted :wink:

Yes, thank you. I have the tracking number via e-mail as discussed. :B_thumb:

[JamesT5]

Glad your sorted, I didn't get any sweets last time either and that was on a £600+ order lol

That's because I've brought so many parts for my car from Jamie, that he ran out of sweets when he sent them all to me. ;)

[V70 Graham]

Went for the full monty like I suggested then Graham?

I did, and I must say the difference is night and day, excellent brakes now, and piece of mind for a few years I hope.

[JamesT5]

I did, and I must say the difference is night and day, excellent brakes now, and piece of mind for a few years I hope.

Exactly what I said, peace of mind knowing your brakes won't bind. :B_thumb:

[JamesT5]

Clutch number 2 arrived this morning from Parts For Volvos, via UPS. Brilliant! It fits perfectly and I also have the slave cylinder too so at least I've peace of mind that the clutch now fits the replacement box.

I'm glad I realised this problem before taking it down to the Gearbox Centre, can you imagine the feeling I'd have had to be told my car can't be finished until after the weekend because neither the old or new clutch fitted the box. Yikes, that would have been the end of my weekend for sure.

A huge thanks to PFV for organising this so quickly, you're a credit to the forum! :B_thumb: :beer:

Oh, pictures..... :D

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1010898_zps6ab55725.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1010898_zps6ab55725.jpg.html)

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1010899_zps85f0a116.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1010899_zps85f0a116.jpg.html)

[V70 Graham]

Hopefully now it will be all plain sailing and you'll be all sorted come the 10th

[M-R-P]

Notice how much stronger the 23 tooth clutch is in it's construction? Made me feel much better knowing I had a stronger-than-usual unit going in there ;)

Are you still gonna risk keeping the old flywheel on there?

[JamesT5]

Notice how much stronger the 23 tooth clutch is in it's construction? Made me feel much better knowing I had a stronger-than-usual unit going in there ;)

Are you still gonna risk keeping the old flywheel on there?

Can't say I'd noticed a significant increase in build quality but I'll take your word for it. I hope the post 2002 gearboxes are better build quality, if they changed the spline to a 23 tooth version (I assume to make it stronger), I wonder if they improved the bearings in the gearbox as well?

Anyway, as for the DMF I've got absolutely zero funds left to replace it so I'm going to have to replace that at a later date. I know this will cost more in the long run, but this damn car has already thrown me in to rent arrears and buying a DMF now will just finish me off.

I'm still trying to sell the Volvo clutch which I now no longer need and I've brought the price down to £159 including delivery. That's nearly half the price of buying from a Main Stealer so if I can't shift it at that price then there's something seriously wrong.

[M-R-P]

Well, my box suffered 129K of plod abuse and another 71k of normal (ish) driving and although reverse can be a little tricky to engage, it's good as gold.

Which box have you got? there's a white sticker in top, a few inches above the shift arm which will say M56 ??

Be interesting to see if you have different ratios to your last box and if you can feel a difference.

[JamesT5]

Well, my box suffered 129K of plod abuse and another 71k of normal (ish) driving and although reverse can be a little tricky to engage, it's good as gold.

Which box have you got? there's a white sticker in top, a few inches above the shift arm which will say M56 ??

Be interesting to see if you have different ratios to your last box and if you can feel a difference.

Yeah, it's M56-LK and as Jamie said at PFV, the LK means it's off a T5 where as an L is off a non turbo engine. The gearbox ratio of 5 to 1 is stamped on to the side of the gearbox casing athough I think this just confirms it's a 5 speed box. I was so temoted to upgrade to a 6 speed M66 gearbox but to be honest, funds are a major factor and I'll just be glad to have the car running normally.

I've plonked the advert for my clutch on another Volvo forum (VOC) to try and draw in a larger audience. I much prefer this site though. :D

[JamesT5]

E-Bay seem to have stopped my listing of the Volvo clutch kit for no reason, even though it says it's for sale when I go to the 'review offers' tab in My Ebay. This makes me mad! I've asked E-bay for an explanation...........

[M-R-P]

Yeah, it's M56-LK and as Jamie said at PFV, the LK means it's off a T5 where as an L is off a non turbo engine. The gearbox ratio of 5 to 1 is stamped on to the side of the gearbox casing athough I think this just confirms it's a 5 speed box. I was so temoted to upgrade to a 6 speed M66 gearbox but to be honest, funds are a major factor and I'll just be glad to have the car running normally.

I've plonked the advert for my clutch on another Volvo forum (VOC) to try and draw in a larger audience. I much prefer this site though. :D

Errrr... You have an LK? What's the number next to it? 4.0 or 3.75? The LK boxes are a high ratio box. The 3.75 is good for 192 mph in 5th :yikes:

[JamesT5]

Errrr... You have an LK? What's the number next to it? 4.0 or 3.75? The LK boxes are a high ratio box. The 3.75 is good for 192 mph in 5th :yikes:

It's a 4.0, just checked!

[M-R-P]

Still a good motorway box mate ;)

[JamesT5]

Still a good motorway box mate ;)

Cost me £120 delivered so if it's in good shape it's a bargain. My only concern was the amount of oil around the clutch spline area but then that could be normal for a gearbox I don't know.

[JamesT5]

E-Bay seem to have stopped my listing of the Volvo clutch kit for no reason, even though it says it's for sale when I go to the 'review offers' tab in My Ebay. This makes me mad! I've asked E-bay for an explanation...........

Ok, everything is fine. It was a problem with my web browser so the listing is still up and the item for sale! Phew...! :D

[V70 Graham]

Ok, everything is fine. It was a problem with my web browser so the listing is still up and the item for sale! Phew...! :D

Did you/can you post a link in the eBay section.....might help the sale.

[partsforvolvos.com]

you are very welcome James.

glad it fitted.

[JamesT5]

Did you/can you post a link in the eBay section.....might help the sale.

I've put it in the parts for sale section as the ebay section is for 'finds' rather than selling your own stuff. If it's your own part, you're supposed to put a link in a new thread on parts for sale. :B_thumb:

[V70 Graham]

Sorry Graham, i have sent you and Martin some out

He did too, thanks Jamie, top man.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/graham1326/IMG_0352_zps43c7a604.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/graham1326/media/IMG_0352_zps43c7a604.jpg.html)

[JamesT5]

He did too, thanks Jamie, top man.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/graham1326/IMG_0352_zps43c7a604.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/graham1326/media/IMG_0352_zps43c7a604.jpg.html)

So how many did you scoff before taking this photo did you say...? ;)

[V70 Graham]

So how many did you scoff before taking this photo did you say...? ;)

None, and I haven't had any.....fat club !

[JamesT5]

I took a look at the label on my old gearbox today just to see what the rating is on it and this is the sticker that's on it.....

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s562/_JamesT5/P1010947_zpse715db47.jpg (http://s1306.photobucket.com/user/_JamesT5/media/P1010947_zpse715db47.jpg.html)

It seems the LK boxes were standard fit on all the T5's from 2000 onwards, not just the ex-plod vehicles. The ex-plod must have been fitted with the 3.75's and the domestic versions mostly 4.0 final drive.

So to answer MRP's earlier query about feeling a difference, looks like the answer to that will be "no", considering I'm having an identical gearbox going in to my old one.

:D :B_thumb:

[V70 Graham]

May 10th tomorrow James and I'd just like to say that I hope all goes well with the new gearbox, looking forward to meeting you (and your car) on Sunday :beer:

[graemewelch]

getting mine done on sat. volvo specialest in huddersfield. charging £130 4 hr labour.

[Harvey]

getting mine done on sat. volvo specialest in huddersfield. charging £130 4 hr labour.

That's a great price.

[graemewelch]

im traveling 115 to get it fitted but it half of the price ive been quoted localy. cant wait to drive the car with out a knackered clutch. its been slipping for a long time now and i havnt been able to drive it the way id like to

[JamesT5]

This is sods law, I got to the gearbox garage today and was told that the replacement gearbox doesn't fit! They said a 23 tooth spline box cannot be put on to a car that had has a 20 tooth spline gearbox on it originally because of some complication with the crankshaft and DMF. So the gearbox I brought for £120 and the 23 tooth clutch kit are useless to me.

I was at work all last night, waited for the gearbox place to open and then only to be told around 8.30am that the whole job lot of parts is a complete show stopper. :slap:

On top of that, after banging my head against a brick wall and getting nowhere selling the genuine Volvo clutch which incidentally I now need, I've got home this afternoon to find the damn thing has sold on ebay for £80. So now I've got a clutch that I need that has sold and a clutch and gearbox that is no good to me just sitting around. Whatever next! :cry:

Basically I'm now back to square one. Where's that brick wall!! :wallbash: :bricks:

[partsforvolvos.com]

OMG!

one thing that occurs to me , and hopefully somebody can help us here, is if you cant put a 23 teeth gearbox onto james's car,
how come you can put a 6 speed m66 box onto an 850 with 20 splines or a ph1 v70 , which that M66 gearbox would also have come with 23 spilnes only?
- is that because you might change the flywheel ? , so the question is if james changed his dmf (to a later or earlier type) if there is one , would that solve the problem ?

i'm not entirely sure that this is as the 'specialist' explained it.

help please for james -------

[oblark]

OMG!

one thing that occurs to me , and hopefully somebody can help us here, is if you cant put a 23 teeth gearbox onto james's car,
how come you can put a 6 speed m66 box onto an 850 with 20 splines or a ph1 v70 , which that M66 gearbox would also have come with 23 spilnes only?
- is that because you might change the flywheel ? , so the question is if james changed his dmf (to a later or earlier type) if there is one , would that solve the problem ?

i'm not entirely sure that this is as the 'specialist' explained it.

help please for james -------

The M66 gearbox that I`m going to fit into my 850 has 23 splindes, so when I brought the secondhand box I also got the DMF friction plate.
The plan is to use a lightened SMF with the DMF friction plate and the 850R pressure plate.

[JamesT5]

OMG!

one thing that occurs to me , and hopefully somebody can help us here, is if you cant put a 23 teeth gearbox onto james's car,
how come you can put a 6 speed m66 box onto an 850 with 20 splines or a ph1 v70 , which that M66 gearbox would also have come with 23 spilnes only?
- is that because you might change the flywheel ? , so the question is if james changed his dmf (to a later or earlier type) if there is one , would that solve the problem ?

i'm not entirely sure that this is as the 'specialist' explained it.

help please for james -------

The gearbox Centre told me that even changing the DMF wouldn't help because the crankshaft is different (just quoting what they told me). The only solution is a repair on my old box or I've got to source a second hand 20 spline box. Absolute nightmare!

[partsforvolvos.com]

thats what i though oblark, because i even saw an 850 for sale on here with 6 speed box.

i think pedro can help with this, because he was selling that later crank originally destined for his 850. where is he when u need him ?

[oblark]

thats what i though oblark, because i even saw an 850 for sale on here with 6 speed box.

i think pedro can help with this, because he was selling that later crank originally destined for his 850. where is he when u need him ?

That`s the one I`ve brought :)

[M-R-P]

I'm seriously suspicious of this so - called gearbox expert.
The crank has sod all to do with the gearbox. The 2002 crank is the same as the 2003 one any way so at worst, all you'll need is a dmf, but I can't even believe that'll need changing tbh.

[partsforvolvos.com]

i do get different part number cranks for a > 2001 , and then a 2002-2006 car all against the T5 engine type of B5234T3 on vida.
(james' car was a 2001 and the box is 2003 ish as per previous posts in this thread)

does the gearbox output shaft spline go into the end of the crank when it is pushed up ? - (thick question there from a non technician )

i presumed if it did, it would only be a open recess , as if it were splined the clutch couldnt disengage drive.

[M-R-P]

The crank was upgraded from the 2001 for a (I think) lighter one.
Jamie, can you check the part numbers for the dmf on the 02 and 03 models? That'll give us an idea of compatibility. Although the 23 tooth clutch is heavier in construction, I think I remember the outer circumference being the same.

[partsforvolvos.com]

there are only these 2 clutches relevent :

Clutch kit 1.00 272314 -> 2001 EXC B5204T5 240mm , 20teeth
Clutch kit 1.00 30783260 2002--> B5234T3 B5244T3, (274220) 240mm , 23 teeth


i can find only one relevent flywheel , although i know for a fact this part number format will be a recent supercession .they probably changed supplier.

Flywheel, 2-part flywheel 1.00 31259330
B5234T3 B5244T3, (9480660) (this is the T5 and 2.4T engines )

the full range of dmf's is :

Flywheel, 2-part flywheel 1.00 31259330
B5234T3 B5244T3 , (9480660)

Flywheel, 2-part flywheel 1.00 31259452
ENG -4281799, B5244T4/T5, B5254T2 (8675078), (30681137)

Flywheel, 2-part flywheel 1.00 31259452
ENG 4281800-, B5254T2, B5244T4/T5

Flywheel, 2-part flywheel 1.00 31259331
ENG -4294025, B5204T5, B5244SX, (30735964)

Flywheel, 2-part flywheel 1.00 31259331
ENG 4294026-, B5204T5, B5244SX

[graemewelch]

take it to a proper garage mate. at worst theyll need to change the spigot bearing

[partsforvolvos.com]

i dont think this one has a spigot bearing .

it still looks like everything we know about the cars and can find out seems like it should have gone on -

[JamesT5]

I trust the gearbox specialist to know what they're talking about. They checked their manual full of clutches and the box wasn't compatible, something to do with dampening, the DMF, the crankshaft and that it would damage the clutch in seconds.

Look, I'm no mechanic but I trust the advice they give me, they're a well respected gearbox specialist in the area.

[JamesT5]

take it to a proper garage mate. at worst theyll need to change the spigot bearing

They are a 'proper' garage.

[graemewelch]

if thats the cause then how as suggested earlier are 6 speed conversions possible, they are trying to scam you mate, do some research youll soon find the truth

[JamesT5]

if thats the cause then how as suggested earlier are 6 speed conversions possible, they are trying to scam you mate, do some research youll soon find the truth

Scam me? I don't think so, they've offered to fetch me a second hand box and fit it for no more than £500 including VAT.

[partsforvolvos.com]

I don't think there is any suggestion of a scam at all , it just might be lack of Volvo in depth knowledge. Only a garage who solely work on volvos might know about what is compatable from completely different cars. The best gearbox specialist in the world isn't going to be an anorak about every brand on the road for swapping parts between models.
And let's face it, volvos are few in number compared to ford and Vauxhall tuning.

Ps if my phone changes volvos to google once more it's binned !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[graemewelch]

Scam me? I don't think so, they've offered to fetch me a second hand box and fit it for no more than £500 including VAT.

if you ask me that a small fortune. i wish i could say i admire your determination but i dont. speak to a volvo specialest befor you waste even more money. not trying to have dig just telling it the way i see it.

[M-R-P]

I'm prepared to bet my car on the fact that that gearbox will fit with no more than a new flywheel, it probably won't even need that.

This is the specialist that told you that a dmf on a petrol car won't fail...?

Garages that rely on a list on a computer rather than knowledge and experience aren't gonna know it all.

I appreciate you have faith in this company but the facts speak for themselves mate _ he's relying on 2nd hand info, from a computer programme that's clearly flawed.

[graemewelch]

james im atva volvo garage now getting my clutch done so ill ask about your gearbox

[JamesT5]

james im atva volvo garage now getting my clutch done so ill ask about your gearbox

Thanks mate, the main points to tell them are;

Mine is originally a 20 spline box

The new one is 23 spline box

The Gearbox garage said you can't put a 23 spline box on a car that had a 20 spline box on originally because the crankshaft is different.

I'll be interested to see what they say. I'll also phone up another Main Stealer on Monday and try a Volvo specialist to ask them as well. If all 3 and people on here say it's ok then I'll ask the Gearbox Centre to fit it anyway and tell them I've taken advice from the Volvo specialists.

[graemewelch]

this garage says it shouldnt be a problem but in doubt make a good box out of the two. ill give you the number if you want. he said hell have the box you need if wanted the same as fitted

[JamesT5]

Trying to sell the gearbox and clutch has been next to impossible, in fact I think I'd more luck selling sand to the Arabs (quite literally)! It seems I was quite happy to pay £120 for a gearbox but nobody else is now I'm the one trying to sell it, which is sods law but there we go. So, my thoughts....

I've been thinking of a way to salvage a bad situation and also thinking about earlier comments regarding a DMF. I've had a Volvo specialist tell me the box will fit but in all likelihood the DMF will have to be changed to accommodate the different input shaft arrangement. Perhaps, rather than trying to sell the box and buy another clutch and gearbox, perhaps I should save up for a new DMF and have the whole lot fitted by a Volvo specialist. That way, I've only got to worry about buying the correct DMF and paying for the garage labour to fit it. I need to speak to PFV for help sourcing a d supplying the correct DMF and this will ensure the whole arrangement will fit together without a hitch.

My old (current) gearbox is pretty noisy now and I don't know how much more stressing out over this I can take, it's letting an otherwise now pretty solid P2 down and I'm just thinking I may be going about this §§§§ backwards given the parts I already have. To be honest as well, the costs of trying to sell what I have and save up again for a new load of parts may actually be more than just going for a new DMF which will be of a huge benefit in its own right.

Anyway, I'm just bouncing thoughts off you all. What I really don't want however, is the "sell the car and buy another one" comments because that's not going to happen right now! So, if you think my plan is a good one let me know. :B_thumb:

[M-R-P]

Not wanting to say "I told you so..." At worst, the DMF won't fit but I'm pretty sure it will (as was Jamie iirc). The chances are, your DMF WILL be discovered to be shot any way (most reputable places would refuse to fit a new clutch to a knackered DMF, or at least refuse to warranty the work). This was always my advice so yes mate, I totally agree with your idea ;)

I added a link to a well priced DMF earlier in this thread, hopefully, Jamie can better it (I got mine for £376) Use my reg to source the DMF if you like (it'll be the right one for the 23 tooth spline clutch) although I'm 99/9% sure they're the same.

[JamesT5]

Not wanting to say "I told you so..." At worst, the DMF won't fit but I'm pretty sure it will (as was Jamie iirc). The chances are, your DMF WILL be discovered to be shot any way (most reputable places would refuse to fit a new clutch to a knackered DMF, or at least refuse to warranty the work). This was always my advice so yes mate, I totally agree with your idea ;)

I added a link to a well priced DMF earlier in this thread, hopefully, Jamie can better it (I got mine for £376) Use my reg to source the DMF if you like (it'll be the right one for the 23 tooth spline clutch) although I'm 99/9% sure they're the same.

Thanks mate, this is a real up and down for me, once my tranny issues are sorted out I'll be a much happier man, and everything else will seem like a 'walk in the park' by comparison.

:beer:

[claymore]

Before doing any more to the gearbox, can I just suggest you replace the oil with Redline Heavyweight Shockproof.