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oblark
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:38
I brought a Ford focus ST225 from ebay during the week and stirbo collected and delivered to the southern dyno day.
Once getting back from changing Steve`s turbo on his 850R I bolted the box to my spare block.
All the bolt holes lined up and the standard 850 driveshafts fitted aswell just need to remake the linkage as it`s not the same as the 850 one.
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/IMAG0803.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/IMAG0804.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/IMAG0805.jpg
T5frankie
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:41
this has been done before
JT
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:41
nice work :)
is the extra gear high or low?
oblark
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:42
this has been done before
And ..............
oblark
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:44
nice work :)
is the extra gear high or low?
6th gear is 0.65 to 1, the m56 box 5th gear is 0.77 to 1
M-R-P
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:44
Sweet mate, does it have volvo stamped on the housing?
oblark
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:45
Sweet mate, does it have volvo stamped on the housing?
Of course :)
theflyingbrick
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:46
this could be a very good upgrade especially when it comes to motorway driving,i reckon its gonna save a few quid on petrol with an extra gear,how long before your driving it?? be good to know the results ;)
JT
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:52
6th gear is 0.65 to 1, the m56 box 5th gear is 0.77 to 1
dam n blast! lol
I need a low range box then......:(
p fandango
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:53
6th gear is 0.65 to 1, the m56 box 5th gear is 0.77 to 1
M56H is 0.70:1, the Volvo M66 also has a 0.70:1. Whats the FDR on the Crocus box?
p fandango
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:56
& according to HERE (http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/topic/20180-gear-ratios/) the Crocus is also 0.70:1 with a 4.0 FDR, exactly the same as 5th on the T-5
stribo
Sunday 17th March 2013, 17:57
Glad it's fitted up O.K. mate.
oblark
Sunday 17th March 2013, 18:01
& according to HERE (http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/topic/20180-gear-ratios/) the Crocus is also 0.70:1 with a 4.0 FDR, exactly the same as 5th on the T-5
http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/topic/47711-confirmation-of-gear-ratios/
p fandango
Sunday 17th March 2013, 18:08
http://www.focusstoc.com/forums/topic/47711-confirmation-of-gear-ratios/
2009, seems longer ago than that lol. My mistake about the 4.00 FDR, i was looking at the M66W (which does have the 0.65:1 on 6th)
nottsgreent5
Sunday 17th March 2013, 19:04
Dont quote me on this but think someone told me a while ago later v70/s60 fitted with the six spees boxes linkage will fit the 850 shift assembly
oblark
Sunday 17th March 2013, 19:09
Dont quote me on this but think someone told me a while ago later v70/s60 fitted with the six spees boxes linkage will fit the 850 shift assembly
Thanks for that, I`ll look into it :)
Nealevo
Sunday 17th March 2013, 19:28
I'm pretty gutted now, I had a complete ST which had been vandal damaged, I wanted the 18s and seats, looked into the gearbox fitting and was told it wouldn't fit, scrapped the whole car :(
oblark
Sunday 17th March 2013, 22:00
Found this on a ford forum about m66 gear ratio`s
Post No. 4
http://www.volvocarclubsa.co.za/viewtopic.php?t=3300&p=54726
Kingsford G
Sunday 17th March 2013, 22:14
Interestng upgrade,keep us posting mate.
merc85
Sunday 17th March 2013, 22:16
Awesome mate, good luck with the build, looking smart
p fandango
Sunday 17th March 2013, 22:23
Found this on a ford forum about m66 gear ratio`s
Post No. 4
http://www.volvocarclubsa.co.za/viewtopic.php?t=3300&p=54726
i'm not convinced he's got his numbers right, the Volvo ratios he's quoting are for the M66W yet with the FDR of the M66. He also says the F*rd box has 4.00 FDR
p fandango
Sunday 17th March 2013, 22:29
M66 (S60R AWD)
FDR = 3.77:1
1st = 3.38:1
2nd = 2.05:1
3rd = 1.43:1
4th = 1.08:1
5th = 0.86:1
6th = 0.70:1
top speed = 182mph
M66W (T-5)
FDR = 4.00:1
1st = 3.39:1
2nd = 1.91:1
3rd = 1.27:1
4th = 0.95:1
5th = 0.78:1
6th = 0.65:1
top speed = 185mph
M66D (D-5)
FDR = 4.00:1
1st = 3.39:1
2nd = 1.91:1
3rd = 1.19:1
4th = 0.84:1
5th = 0.65:1
6th = 0.54:1
top speed = 223mph
Harvey
Sunday 17th March 2013, 23:03
Found this in my book
http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r499/harveysr/607A2631-4C27-4B42-8547-A8D5E1A89A7B-2138-0000041F32BFBE13_zpse63c7a6d.jpg
GregE102
Monday 18th March 2013, 00:32
I have an M66 T5 fitted and working with mine now, Tim Williams did it all for me but he did have to make a custom linkage to make it work correctly!
oblark
Monday 18th March 2013, 10:50
M66 (S60R AWD)
FDR = 3.77:1
1st = 3.38:1
2nd = 2.05:1
3rd = 1.43:1
4th = 1.08:1
5th = 0.86:1
6th = 0.70:1
top speed = 182mph
M66W (T-5)
FDR = 4.00:1
1st = 3.39:1
2nd = 1.91:1
3rd = 1.27:1
4th = 0.95:1
5th = 0.78:1
6th = 0.65:1
top speed = 185mph
M66D (D-5)
FDR = 4.00:1
1st = 3.39:1
2nd = 1.91:1
3rd = 1.19:1
4th = 0.84:1
5th = 0.65:1
6th = 0.54:1
top speed = 223mph
Should have got a m66d box 223mph ;)
p fandango
Monday 18th March 2013, 10:58
Should have got a m66d box 223mph ;)
The TDi 5cog I've got does 203mph@6500rpm
Brett855tdi
Monday 18th March 2013, 20:20
I bet the d5 box would be good for mpg, but i also guess it would be too long for a t5.
I take it the M66w and M66D are the same box just different ratios, and the d5 box would fit?
what cars were the M66w fitted to?
p fandango
Monday 18th March 2013, 20:27
I bet the d5 box would be good for mpg, but i also guess it would be too long for a t5.
I take it the M66w and M66D are the same box just different ratios, and the d5 box would fit?
what cars were the M66w fitted to?
S60 t-5
lance
Tuesday 19th March 2013, 07:59
I love the 6 speed box in my v50 t5 same as the focus 70 mph = 2400 rpm so better mpg, plus when you have had 6 gears going back to a 5 is like going back to a 4 your always looking for the extra gear that's not there!
oblark
Sunday 31st March 2013, 20:22
As the sun was shining I set the spare sub frame, bolted on the engine block,head and turbo then the 6 speed gearbox.
Will have make a custom rear gearbox mount as they isn`t much space between the turbo,gearbox and the rubber mount :(
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0833.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0834.jpg
Apart from the rear mount the gearbox fits :)
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0835.jpg
claymore
Sunday 31st March 2013, 20:26
What's different about the rear mount?
oblark
Sunday 31st March 2013, 20:40
The M56 will not fit on the M66 box, and the M66 mount will not fit under the turbo
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/picture087ph4_s60mount.jpg
Wobbly Dave
Sunday 31st March 2013, 21:32
How are you going to get around the reverse gate problem?
oblark
Sunday 31st March 2013, 21:36
How are you going to get around the reverse gate problem?
What reverse gate problem ?
Wobbly Dave
Sunday 31st March 2013, 21:48
To engage the reverse gear (up & far left) on the 6 speed manual you have to push the lever down before you can get it. It sits adjacent to 1st.
That gate protection is on the stick/selector AFAIK. Without it I am fairly sure you can select reverse whilst moving forward (unlikely) or more likely select reverse, when setting off.
oblark
Sunday 31st March 2013, 21:54
To engage the reverse gear (up & far left) on the 6 speed manual you have to push the lever down before you can get it. It sits adjacent to 1st.
That gate protection is on the stick/selector AFAIK. Without it I am fairly sure you can select reverse whilst moving forward (unlikely) or more likely select reverse, when setting off.
On the box I`ve got reverse is over by 5th and 6th
1 3 5
2 4 6 R
Wobbly Dave
Sunday 31st March 2013, 21:56
Must be different to the one on my diesel s40 then. I thought they were all
R 1 3 5
_ 2 4 6
not that I was trying to throw a spanner in the works, just more of a heads up.
stribo
Monday 1st April 2013, 00:25
The R has the same layout as Rob's, i.e. with reverse next to 6th
lance
Monday 1st April 2013, 10:10
Yeah the 2.0d and t5 use a different pattern
oblark
Sunday 21st April 2013, 21:48
Made the most of the weather on Saturday and knocked up the rear engine/gearbox mount
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0847.jpg (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/oblark/media/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0847.jpg.html)
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0848.jpg (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/oblark/media/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0848.jpg.html)
The next job will be to make a new downpipe :)
MA'R'K
Sunday 21st April 2013, 21:56
Interesting project.....gearbox will probably be my next build, so watching closely ;)
oblark
Tuesday 4th June 2013, 20:37
Finally finished the gear linkage bracket off and fitted it tonight :)
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0901.jpg (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/oblark/media/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/IMAG0901.jpg.html)
Here`s a short video of me going up through the gears
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HixuAz5iZug
GregE102
Wednesday 5th June 2013, 19:50
You will Love it! I love my 6 speed box they are great!
cherry1809
Wednesday 5th June 2013, 20:17
Also looking at doing the same. Good write up :)
Biff
Wednesday 5th June 2013, 20:50
I'd love to carry this conversion off.
Nice handy work fella.
oblark
Thursday 11th July 2013, 20:23
Got bored at work today so I made these............................ some brass linkage bushes.
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/20130711_162418.jpg (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/oblark/media/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/20130711_162418.jpg.html)
graemewelch
Thursday 11th July 2013, 20:46
nice touch. wish i could do a bit turning and milling
jdavis
Monday 9th September 2013, 14:20
good work there!
Tomcat
Monday 9th September 2013, 14:29
Awesome write up, looking forward to seeing it finished, then I can go find one for myself,lol.
M-R-P
Monday 9th September 2013, 15:18
Got bored at work today so I made these............................ some brass linkage bushes.
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u433/oblark/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/20130711_162418.jpg (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/oblark/media/volvo%20850%20t5/Engine%20rebuild%20project/20130711_162418.jpg.html)
The brass bush kit for the Toyota MR2 is a direct fit if anybody's looking to replace their bushes (a good idea when fitting the short-shift kit)
Tomcat
Monday 9th September 2013, 15:24
Where's the short shift kit available from?
M-R-P
Monday 9th September 2013, 15:28
I think IPD do one. There may be one or two of mine floating about somewhere but I don't have any.
oblark
Monday 9th September 2013, 15:34
The brass bush kit for the Toyota MR2 is a direct fit if anybody's looking to replace their bushes (a good idea when fitting the short-shift kit)
The mr2 bush cost money and mine cost nothing :)
charlie-r
Thursday 10th October 2013, 20:12
I think IPD do one. There may be one or two of mine floating about somewhere but I don't have any.
Got any pics of the ones you (used to) do? Tried hunting but can't see any if you don't mind of course :) cheers.
M-R-P
Thursday 10th October 2013, 20:32
Got any pics of the ones you (used to) do? Tried hunting but can't see any if you don't mind of course :) cheers.
Maybe Stribo, Nordic or TheFlyingBrick can post a pic.
V70Graham might have had a pic on his "relentless pursuit of perfection" thread.
stribo
Thursday 10th October 2013, 20:45
I haven't got a pic of mine. :(
Tomcat
Thursday 10th October 2013, 23:05
Wouldn't mind a short shift kit, fancy making some more?
M-R-P
Thursday 10th October 2013, 23:14
I haven't got a pic of mine. :(
go and take one then.
lazy git :)
M-R-P
Thursday 10th October 2013, 23:17
Wouldn't mind a short shift kit, fancy making some more?
I'll look for the pattern I was working on for the 2nd version of the plate.
no promises tho.
theflyingbrick
Thursday 10th October 2013, 23:18
yeah short shift kit mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm its tasty :redface: sorry haven't got any pics
back on topic....I love the linkage pics your work is outstanding mate :)
M-R-P
Thursday 10th October 2013, 23:30
Lazy gits...
Here's a pic of Graham's plate, now on Stribo's car...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/graham1326/P1010023.jpg
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