ebay chip remap thing

[brick man 82]

hi all dont know if anyone has had any experience with one of these but i thought id let it be known i bought a chip from ebay for £49 for my 855 t5 it said it was an 850r remap good for 310 brake i obviously i was sceptical but i thought for that price why not whats the worse that could happen anyway i bought it got it fitted by ripsta33 for a very reasonable price plus got a mbc and boost guage fitted at the same time and turned the turbo up to 16 psi and §§§§§§ me its quick i mean the car wasnt slow to start off with but now jesus christ pardon my blastfomy but i cant think how to put it.
yes i can picture this youre travelling up the motorway at 7.30am in fairley heavy traffic doing around 60 mph and you see a bright orange 0 10 plate focous rs coming up the slip way to merge onto the motorway in your mirror and you think hmm cool car he is comin up fast you have nowhere to go as there is another vehicle to your right so you keep a steady speed thinking that anyone with sense would try to match everybody elses speed and join the motorway in a safe and perfectly normal manner .WRong instead he floors it right up to the end of the slip road and an at the last minuite cuts me up and to be honest made me panic a little and slam on my brakes and then starts to weave around the traffic changing from lane to lane not really getting anywhere just being a bit of a tit and irritating anyway theres me tootling along in my 850 estate for 5 miles or so and along comes my junction so i take my junction come to the roundabout into the left lane as im going straight on and the focus is in the far right lane as if he were turning right then the lights change and he floors it again cutting straight acrooss the lanes to the next set of lights by this time he was boiling my pi$$ so there i am in my hi viz in a dented scratched old volvo estate full of tools and work gear waiting at the lights with a this rs to my right driven by some young lad with a trendy hair cut and a a face you would love to slap knowing exactly what he was going to do i thought i wonder so pressed the sport button and when the lights changed floored it now i wouldnt say i left him standindng but i definatley embarresed him kept my foot down for a while and i sh*t you not i looked at my speedo and i was knocking on 135mph with a rs about a second or two behind me by this time i thought ive proved my point so i better ease off anyway sorry about the rant getting back to the point of the story if you have seen these chips on sale and fancied one but have been a bit cautious dont be buy one its the best£49 you will ever spend

[claymore]

I would like to see some figures first, who's to say it's not the mbc that's making the difference.

[JamesT5]

I always wonder whether you could get a hopper chip for petrol cars. I tested one on a diesel car once and it was like, instant bhp. What chip did you buy, would it work on my P2 T5?

[T5frankie]

I don't want to §§§§ on your chips but try it without the Mbc on, you will find its the mbc that's making it quick not the chip, as for beating a focus rs he must of been useless at driving if off the lights he couldnt beat an auto t5, the focus' do low 14's when they are standard on the 1/4 mile when a mapped auto t5 will struggle to top 15 seconds especially with only 16 psi. a word of advice you shoudnt be running an mbc on an auto gearbox as it brings in the boost too early for it to cope. if you feel you are happy with the chip take te mbc off and see if it still makes 16 psi which it should if it was a good map.

[M-R-P]

I do hope this speed was achieved on private roads.
Besides, isn't it only the ST that comes in Orange? If so, that's easy pickings for a 16psi T5, in a straight line any way.

[T5frankie]

I do hope this speed was achieved on private roads.
Besides, isn't it only the ST that comes in Orange? If so, that's easy pickings for a 16psi T5, in a straight line any way.

was it orange? then defo an st 222bhp then lol

[volvokid]

I was going to say the same Martin, it must have been the ST not the RS, I wouldn't even bother racing one in my R it would §§§§ all over me.

[Kingsford G]

Well the chip is doing something as it allows to run 16psi without a fuel cut but how agressive is it thats what metters.

[glock19]

1st: Brickman, you need to use paragraphs :D
2nd : Someone did ask me to assemble an eBay chip for him and from my experience, it'll work with a 15G. But put a 18T/19T inside and you'll have boost spikes all over the place even without an MBC. It's limits have been raised to the max. Not going to consider the fuel mileage with it too.

[volvo850R]

For the record even the focus RS isnt as quick as they probably should be. I had a clio williams with a few mild mods (approx 180bhp)and it was more than capable of beating a couple of these in a straight line and around the bends. Probably got something to do with their immense weight compared to a 900kg clio :biggrin:

I also dont understand the sceptism around ebay chips. Ive had a few for a few of my old bmw's and they worked on all of them, never RR'd any of them but the difference was obvious. The key is to get one thats been coppied from a genuine chip, all mine were BSR starchip copies and very impressive. Forums are usualy a good place to find exact copies, im suprissed know one does RICA coppies??

[Jamest5r]

Got to say i pretty sure that is the 850 i got for the Mrs but then sold lol, the block on it was solid and pulled well, wish i aint sold it now lol

[T5frankie]

For the record even the focus RS isnt as quick as they probably should be. I had a clio williams with a few mild mods (approx 180bhp)and it was more than capable of beating a couple of these in a straight line and around the bends. Probably got something to do with their immense weight compared to a 900kg clio :biggrin:

I also dont understand the sceptism around ebay chips. Ive had a few for a few of my old bmw's and they worked on all of them, never RR'd any of them but the difference was obvious. The key is to get one thats been coppied from a genuine chip, all mine were BSR starchip copies and very impressive. Forums are usualy a good place to find exact copies, im suprissed know one does RICA coppies??

what are you talking about? a standard focus rs will do low 14's standing quarter and the renault high 15's, the focus is a very quick car as standard, quicker in fact than the s60r which has the same engine and 4wd, and chipping cars without turbos is pointless and you won't notice any difference

[volvo850R]

Okay so you think im telling porkies. If you knew anything about the clio williams they are more than capable of acheiving low 14's with simple breathing mods alone.

To prove a point the power to weight of a 180bhp clio williams with a kerb weight of 900kg is 200bhp per ton.

A focus RS with 301bhp with a weight of 1465kg has a power to weight ratio of 205.04 bhp per ton. 5 hp difference which isnt worth mentioning.

Take into fact the clio has a NA engine its easy to see why it is as quick as one of these. 180bhp was a conservative estimate to be fair for my williams, but even so i owned that car for 2 years and know first hand how fast they are. Watch some 1/4 mile clips on youtube if you care not to beleive me.

Its a well known fact also even as standard if the rev limiter is slightly raised on a williams enabling it to hit 60 in 2nd gear it will sprint to 60 in under 6 seconds also. Dont know about your claims for the S60r as i know nothing about them but considering they have a power to weight ratio of 181.49 bhp per ton and 4wd to contend with they are not that fast. For the price of them id have another e39 M5 sat on my drive which would muller an s60r and focus rs to death.

At the end of the day ive owned 27 cars in 10 years and only 2 (including this one) have been turbo powered so think i may know a thing or two about tuning NA engines...

[T5frankie]

Okay so you think im telling porkies. If you knew anything about the clio williams they are more than capable of acheiving low 14's with simple breathing mods alone.

To prove a point the power to weight of a 180bhp clio williams with a kerb weight of 900kg is 200bhp per ton.

A focus RS with 301bhp with a weight of 1465kg has a power to weight ratio of 205.04 bhp per ton. 5 hp difference which isnt worth mentioning.

Take into fact the clio has a NA engine its easy to see why it is as quick as one of these. 180bhp was a conservative estimate to be fair for my williams, but even so i owned that car for 2 years and know first hand how fast they are. Watch some 1/4 mile clips on youtube if you care not to beleive me.

Its a well known fact also even as standard if the rev limiter is slightly raised on a williams enabling it to hit 60 in 2nd gear it will sprint to 60 in under 6 seconds also. Dont know about your claims for the S60r as i know nothing about them but considering they have a power to weight ratio of 181.49 bhp per ton and 4wd to contend with they are not that fast. For the price of them id have another e39 M5 sat on my drive which would muller an s60r and focus rs to death.

At the end of the day ive owned 27 cars in 10 years and only 2 (including this one) have been turbo powered so think i may know a thing or two about tuning NA engines...

we are talking about standard cars,
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=154891
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/renault_clio_williams.html
http://www.retrocaricons.com/article/Renault_Clio_Williams_63

all sites say easily weight over a tonne and only about 144bhp/per tonne and mid to late 15's on the 1/4 mile which is what i said
they just aint quick motors standard, a stripped out 182 can be quick and i saw one at trax doing a 5.7 0-60

[volvo850R]

Okay If we are talking standard then yes a williams wouldnt stand a chance, but mine wasnt so thought i would throw it in the mix anyway. Key thing with anything french is to not go of book performance figures as they are calculations most of the time. I had a stripped out 172 but it never felt as aggresive as that willy did. They are mostly forgoten about now anyway but in my eyes they are the ultimate hot hatch.

I use this to calcualte power to weight http://westfield-world.com/power-to-weight.html

[T5frankie]

i love french hot hatches, i used to have a canary yellow gt turbo and when running it was rapid

[volvo850R]

i love french hot hatches, i used to have a canary yellow gt turbo and when running it was rapid

Always fancied one of them but you hit the nail on the head with 'when running' :biggrin:

[glock19]

I also dont understand the sceptism around ebay chips. Ive had a few for a few of my old bmw's and they worked on all of them, never RR'd any of them but the difference was obvious. The key is to get one thats been coppied from a genuine chip, all mine were BSR starchip copies and very impressive. Forums are usualy a good place to find exact copies, im suprissed know one does RICA coppies??

Keyword : Copies
If they are straight copies, then it should be good but you'll never know where the source of the maps are, from these e-bay guys. Also if the car is stock, it'll be compatible but a change of turbo, injectors, etc will require a different tune to maximise the potential of the new hardware.
What I "saw" inside one of the e-bay chip was a maxed out MAF with high boost PWM and high load tables. I'm not even going into the fuel and timing map yet. Where's the safety net when you or the engine needs it?

For NA cars, a rechipped will mostly call for leaner fuel or/and advance timing. With a much lower/cooler engine output, they may get away with just some mild knocking before anything else unless you are in the 8000-9000 rpm zones. A badly remapped turbo can be killed at 4000 rpm.

[p fandango]

Keyword : Copies
If they are straight copies, then it should be good but you'll never know where the source of the maps are, from these e-bay guys. Also if the car is stock, it'll be compatible but a change of turbo, injectors, etc will require a different tune to maximise the potential of the new hardware.
What I "saw" inside one of the e-bay chip was a maxed out MAF with high boost PWM and high load tables. I'm not even going into the fuel and timing map yet. Where's the safety net when you or the engine needs it?
to be fair, even maps from some "tuners" aren't what i would class as safe as they remove so much of the stock ecu's safety features (& the state of the actual maps aren't much better)

[stribo]

what are you talking about? a standard focus rs will do low 14's standing quarter and the renault high 15's, the focus is a very quick car as standard, quicker in fact than the s60r which has the same engine and 4wd, and chipping cars without turbos is pointless and you won't notice any difference

Not to 60 it's not, it's actually slower.

[glock19]

to be fair, even maps from some "tuners" aren't what i would class as safe as they remove so much of the stock ecu's safety features (& the state of the actual maps aren't much better)

+1 :d

[volvo850R]

Keyword : Copies
If they are straight copies, then it should be good but you'll never know where the source of the maps are, from these e-bay guys. Also if the car is stock, it'll be compatible but a change of turbo, injectors, etc will require a different tune to maximise the potential of the new hardware.
What I "saw" inside one of the e-bay chip was a maxed out MAF with high boost PWM and high load tables. I'm not even going into the fuel and timing map yet. Where's the safety net when you or the engine needs it?

For NA cars, a rechipped will mostly call for leaner fuel or/and advance timing. With a much lower/cooler engine output, they may get away with just some mild knocking before anything else unless you are in the 8000-9000 rpm zones. A badly remapped turbo can be killed at 4000 rpm.

Well said. You can never be sure you are getting a straight copy and as you say turbos are more complex realy for a generic chip, remap is always better and thats what this one will be getting as im taking no chances here. I got recommended all the ebay chips i purchased by forum members who knew the sellers etc. Theres good stuff out there but bad also judging by the rep of them, much the same with tuning houses.

And to be fair i like the S60R and wasnt having a pop the performance figures are impressive for a heavy 300bhp car with 4wd. On the other hand i cant stand the focus RS, its eveything an RS ford shouldnt be imo.

[Ali-Bongo]

on the other hand i cant stand the focus RS, its eveything an RS ford shouldnt be imo.

A big shouty version of the mundane family cars they sell? like the RS escorts and their bright paint and stripes or the sierra and escort cosworth with the big body kits and massive spoilers? Always had wheels that suit the car perfectly. I'd say the RS was the perfect modernization of all the previous RS models in one, still aimed at the general working man. Best bit is the Volvo engine under the bonnet of course ;)